Awesome. Force the police to identify themselves.
It is like they should be identifiable. I forgot, but a member of congress made a good point how police have arrested way more dangerous people with their face and ID showing.
Nobody believes the made up attacks on ICE they just don’t want the social backlash of being casted out of their communities.
Just waiting for someone to dress up like ICE and kidnap ICE so we can have ICE with our ICE
Yo dawg…
All maga are terrorists. It is a terrorist organization.
He low key helped show why we want law officers to have a branded uniform, name tag and provide ID.
Low key?
And wearing a mask to hide your identity while performing your job function is pretty sus.
Given the photos, this guy didn’t even use a mask! He could have gone full bear and been even more protected from discovery.
I mean, sure that would be a nice fringe benefit of police reform.
But this was only possible because of the terror police inspire by their mere presence. Nobody is willing to fight back against this guy for fear he’s an actual officer. Nobody has any faith in the Real Police (assuming this guy wasn’t actually a cop who decided to moonlight as a robber) finding and stopping this guy.
It isn’t as though the crook couldn’t have slapped a “Hi I’m Jim_” name tag on his chest and done the exact same thing. You have to believe knowing the officer’s identify would result in some consequence to the owner of the gear in order to see that as a material benefit.
To be clear, the ice people are also criminals, it’s just a different crime.
ICE peoples are criminals
Many commenters totally predicted this sort of thing.
How many ‘‘ICE’’ agents does it take to empty out a bank? I’m thinking of writing a Hollywood film.
“We’re seizing this money as evidence!”
Wait until the purge to do it, then you’re not breaking the law.
Remember the right claiming Floyd protesters were all looters? Itso happens whenever the nation is in distress (in this economical and societal context) the smartest of potential crimedoers would take that as an opportunity. Whenever it’s some natural disaster or social conflict, there would be some to use it. And it’s fucking frightening that America came to the point that the thing that bothers us is that thugs didn’t have a real license to do thugs’ things, and every other article going by the #ICE tag is not just stealing, but kidnapping people into Salvador camps, so getting mugged by fake ICE officer is better than meeting the real ones now? It’s a fucking circus.
Yeah anyone now with a security/police/ice/military uniform is not acting with the constitution and is labeled a threat. They are not in charge of public safety anymore
Only one thing to do now. We have to treat all ICE agents like armed criminals until they show their face, a badge, and a warrant.
Starting yesterday?
This is something I’ve thought about a lot. Obviously this is not legal advice, don’t try this shit based on this comment. Say a cop shows up to your door with a warrant and says “Let me in to search your house.” How the fuck am I supposed to react to this? If a cop asks to search something, you should always say no (unless there’s some sort of implied consent like breathalyzers in Georgia for drivers). But if they have a warrant, how do I even know it’s a real warrant? I’m not a legal expert. I don’t wanna sound like a sovereign citizen type who believes random words make you immune to things but I feel like the proper thing to do is say something like “I don’t consent, but I’m not resisting.” Then just stand there. Don’t close the door, but don’t open it more either.
Like imagine a vampire. Right? They can only come in if they’re invited. As humans we use certain phrases to make orders sound like requests to be polite. I used to get in trouble with my mom as a kid because of it. She’d say things like “Please do X” and I’d protest saying because she’s saying please it’s like she’s asking, not telling. That’s not necessarily the best example of it, but it helps demonstrate the point. “Let me do X” is sort of a request to be given permission to do X without actually asking to do X. If they have a warrant, why ask at all? Why not just come in?
Idk, I pray that I’m never in a situation like this.
If you are peaceful minded then speed dial your lawyer and follow their instructions.
If you want to use the castle doctrine then you have to do a lot of homework first.
I saw zero indications that ICE agents weren’t criminals before this.
Something something… bad guy with a gun… good guy with a gun?
So lets be the good guys with guns. Every American should perform citizens arrest on these so called “ICE Agents”, if there is resistance, you are entitiled to use lethal force to defend yourself. 😏
Kidding, don’t actually do this…
Unless… 🤔
Agreed. It is easy to say “do it” … but there are a lot of things that could go wrong for a good guy with a gun.
I was thinking more along the lines of trespassing them if they are on your property or at a business that the employees may not want ICE at. Also maybe calling the police on them … an armed guy in a mask with a Temu printed Tshirt that says “ICE” is certainly suspicious.
I don’t see how that absolves them of being criminals. We should ship them to El Salvador and sort out the good ones later.
Ha! We all know ICE agents dont get local warrants.
They are supposedly running around Chicago with Douglas County warrants. If that is real it means ICE is getting warrants from a judge 2 and a half hours away
If ICE agents behave like criminal thugs why wouldn’t criminal thugs behave like ICE agents?
For all we know, this guy is active duty ICE and just robbing people in his free time.
or they are one in the same, ooh.
i think a guy who steals a $1000 is still overall a more decent human being than a guy who kidnaps and imprisons people because, well, he didn’t like the vibe (of their skin colour or accent)
imagine the relief of that latino woman when instead of being taken and thrown into a cage with no way to get out or prove her citizenship status the guy just took some money.
ICE are worse than thugs
The bigger ooh is that unlike thugs, ICErs are paid by an elected government.
#stopthugdiscrimination #ICEareWellfareQueens
they had one instance already robbing people by “legitmate” ice people.
Or was he a real ICE agent with a side hustle?
Either way, this person is incredibly ballsy and an absolute genius, especially if they just leave with the money and don’t actually take anyone (to avoid kidnapping charges).
All you gotta do is go to your van to “get an evidence bag” or “handcuffs”, then start the engine and drive off. By the time they realize that you’re never coming back for the zip tied person, you’re already hid the van and swapped outfits several miles away from the crime scene.
That’s not genuis, like that’s a pretty obvious thing to do
Then why aren’t more people doing it?
Where l’m from we had a couple of incidents of people dressing up as police and then stealing money from people. We don’t have ICE so people don’t dress up as ICE. Maybe I don’t get it because police and ICE are so different in the USA? Just didn’t strike me as genius.
Same diff if all they have to do to is say they are
In authoritarian regimes it isn’t uncommon for the state officers and soldiers to engage in casual theft along side their official duties. With the way our country is going, there is a non-zero chance this was an actual ICE officer just working his “side hustle”.
It’s already been happening, it’s documented in this Afroman song Edit: 3:50 timestamp
I know it happens with other law enforcement. I even posted a link to a police officer fired for stealing just a few days ago. However, I was specifically talking about ICE, which isn’t what Afroman was talking about, but this thread is.
As a non-American this is really one of the weirdest things about ICE. Why don’t they do their raids in uniform/with badge and face uncovered (perhaps apart from tactical headgear) like any other law enforcement agency? Even when arresting terrorists/mobsters you would expect the cops to be identifiable.
Why don’t they do their raids in uniform/with badge and face uncovered (perhaps apart from tactical headgear) like any other law enforcement agency?
As far as I know the plain clothes arrests and covered faced raids are new artifacts of the GOP’s trump administration. I think there may have been plain clothes investigators before for some undercover work, but never used in the way it is today.
There are two reasons, I think, they are doing it today.
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Masks add anonymity and reduce accountability. These folks are deeply disliked and under the hoods and masks, yet they’re people with homes and families. They need to conceal their identity so their actions don’t follow them home.
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The trump administration wants a law enforcement arm with broad authority to arrest and detain with federal powers. ICE and CBP (Customs and Border Protection) have broad sweeping powers in the most populated portions of our country.
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American cops have been robbers for a long, long time under the guise of civil forfeiture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States
That is “legal” theft, which can be fought in court, and isn’t what I’m referring to. A law enforcement officer committing theft not associated with their duties is what I’m talking about like this example reported just yesterday.
“Legal theft”. Careful not to choke on your words. It is a well known and well documented abuse of the legal system. A great many police departments, corrupt even more than usual, use it to fund departmental expenses, staff perks and bonuses.
Fighting street level injustice through inaccessible and notoriously corrupt courts is also a sad joke.
“Legal theft”. Careful not to choke on your words. It is a well known and well documented abuse of the legal system.
Abuse? Its codified in law. Its working as intended. I don’t agree with it, but its not extra-judicial. You’ll see I specifically put it quotes to communicate that, while it meets the letter of the law, it is far from actual justice.
It adheres to the letter of the law only when you ignore the 4th and 5th ammendments. But why bother? The constitution ain’t worth shit anyways.
Just because it is codified into law doesn’t make it not abusive in nature. That just means the law is attempting to justify abuse.
Almost as if something being a “law” is nothing more than those in power attempting to legitimize their oppression of the people under their authority.
Just because it is codified into law doesn’t make it not abusive in nature. That just means the law is attempting to justify abuse.
Are we really just having semantic arguments now?
“Abuse of the law” I interpret as equal to “breaking the law”. Civil Forfeiture doesn’t break the law it is written from. Is it unjust? Absolutely! Do I agree it should be abolished? Absolutely!
Almost as if something being a “law” is nothing more than those in power attempting to legitimize their oppression of the people under their authority.
Again, I’ve clearly separated the concepts of “lawful” from “justice”. They ARE NOT always equal. This is a case where they aren’t.
Are we done having arguments over grammar and semantics? You can keep going if you like, but I’m more interested in focusing on our world burning than arguing over something we both already agree should be abolished.
Sorry the point went over your head it seems.
Those stolen assets don’t end up as personal property of the officer though.
They do. Way way too often.
You are very lucky if they stop with casual theft.
Lavrentiy Beria, the head of the secret police in Stalin’s USSR was a serial rapist and murderer. He had at least hundreds women and children kidnapped off the street, both people who weren’t missed but also celebrities, and raped them and then murdered them if they wouldn’t pretend it was consensual. A pile of bones covered with lime was uncovered near his one-time residence 15 years ago, but contemporary testimonies say that his torture chamber of a basement had underground passages to other burial sites.
Once some people are above the law, nothing is off the table.
Yep.
Obviously this is a pretty extreme example but without the rule of law, government officials will engage in corruption, hold overs, and blackmail.
With ICE just seizing and deporting whoever they like, it provides white Americans with incredible power over others because they can just threaten to call ICE.
ICE was always lawless from what we know about them in reports, there were articles about rape cases even back under Biden.
Also Stalin told his daughter to never be alone with Beria because even he couldn’t ensure her safety. Honestly I’m convinced that Beria was on Stalin’s shit list and the only reason he wasn’t purged was because WW2 kicked off.
Stalin was the one thing keeping Beria alive though even after the war, after Stalin died, the first order of business for the Politburo was to kill him.
It’s naïve to think that this behavior hasn’t been common already for decades, likely centuries
It’s technically not a crime if you label it civil forfeiture.
Oh but that’s totally only if you can’t prove you weren’t going to use it for crime!
How do you prove you weren’t using it for crime? Good question!
And even if a judge believes you, OH well, too bad the cops already spent it! No, you can’t get money from their budget, that would be theft or fraud or some other crime we can figure out after arresting you.
Maybe everyone should become an ice agent…what would they do then if everyone was larping
This was basically the end state of East Germany right before the wall fell. Something like 1 in 6 people were either in the Stasi or were Stasi informants working alongside them. One wonders what the power dynamic might have mutated into once there were no more sheep because everyone was working for the wolves.
Maybe that’s the kind of loyalist utopia these (and those) chumps were dreaming of but I’d doubt that’d actually shake out how they expected it to.
Fascism is a means to an end. The end result of fascism is cronyism, where power is delegated based on fealty.
Each level of fascism is a concentric circle, with a new out group named at every iteration.
Right now, it’s LGBT, specifically trans people in addition to immigrants. Once all of the outgroup is gone, a new one is named.
It’s a good thing we don’t have the gubmint compiling lists of, say, neurodivergent folks, so everything’s all nice and ready when the time comes.
I doubt the dynamic would have changed much. They’d just start with the purity and loyalty tests and start devouring each other. The fascists always need a convenient enemy
They did do that
That is hardly comparable.
Eastern Germany did not have an oligarch class to feed and did not aspire to invade other countries to rob their resources.
Most of the people you mention were informal informants (190k vs. 90k regular employees by the lat 80s) and these mostly worked out of ideological conviction and didn’t receive relevant payments for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unofficial_collaborator
Obviously these informants did not know who else around them was an informant. Economically they were doing normal jobs and receiving normal pay like everyone else. This cannot be described in terms of “wolfs and sheep”. American cops, ICE and the like full well know who their colleagues are. They get paid, usually full time to exercise their jobs and they have a direct authority to abuse, like with civil forfeiture.
A Stasi informant couldn’t reveal himself to his neighbor and demand money from him. First of all his neighbor might as well be an informant and second of all the informant has no power except to make allegations, for which he would have to compromise himself and be targeted himself.
The GDR was authoritarian for ideological reasons, not to feed the greed of a select few. This is fundamentally different to Capitalism and its final form, Fascism.
I Am Batman?
Yeah i was just going to say, its not like theyre tracking these things, so isnt it more likely he just is an actual ICE officer?
