Can someone find me a source on this. Most of the articles I have read say NWS pushed out a flash flood alert 3 hours in advance but the camp itself didn’t have any alerting system in place. So if they had cell reception and turned on the emergency alert then they would’ve been warned.
I’m sure cuts to the NOAA and NWS can’t be beneficial for anyone though
Elon musk trying to design the system prompt for grok: https://youtu.be/lM0teS7PFMo
That started out a little slow but got there quick. Great skit.
It’s kind of interesting how hard it is to train an AI to believe in the lies of fascists. Reality has a left bias.
It’s not even a problem of fiction or lies. AIs don’t care about truth. They exist orthogonally to truth. They’re just averaging a large body of text. If fascists had a consistent narrative and worldview, then this wouldn’t be a problem. If they all devoutedly followed the same religion, and defined their whole worldview accordingly, then an AI could be trained on that religion. And it would never stray from orthodoxy. AIs don’t know truth; they only know their training data. And as long as you have a large volume of consistent training data, you can train them to repeat anything.
The problem for fascist LLMs is that fascism isn’t consistent through time. It’s the Orwellian “we’ve always been at war with East Asia” factor in play. Fascists don’t even try to be eternally consistent. What was party orthodoxy today can be unforgivable heresy tomorrow. And AIs just can’t keep up with what is supposed to be the story this week. Human fascists can handle that kind of rapid heel-turn. LLMs can’t. Once they’re trained; they’re trained. If you want them to be up-to-date on the latest party lies, you have to be continuously training new versions of the fascist LLM.
You can’t train LLMs to be fascist beyond just very general traits like having overt racial prejudice. But even that’s not always useful, as fascists are inconsistent about what racial groups are deserving of annihilation from one week to the next.
So it’s not so much that fascist AIs fail because of reality’s liberal bias. It’s that fascists don’t believe in a consistent version of reality. And without that, LLMs just can’t keep up with the whirlwind of lies.
That’s a good point. Fascism doesn’t have any ideology other than gaining power, so it can and will espouse multiple contradicting ideas without issue.
Incredibly well said.
I think training fascism isn’t that hard, in fact most of these models tend to shift hard right at first.
I dunno if you remember any of the early llm chatbots companies put out and had to shut down because they got hammered with a bunch of Nazi shit and started yelling racist shit and advocating violence.
Ie. It’s very easy to program a hateful llm, it’s just hard to make one that’s right on anything ever they essentially just have to be broken and wrong constantly.
The problem of those early models was that they weren’t big enough and used user input as training material that eventually overwhelmed the training materials with the racist and nazi shit the used feed them. Modern models uses a shitload more of material and variables, and they’re not trained on real time with the users inputs, so they’re harder to manipulate as before.
I wouldn’t say reality has a left bias so much as the right has a fiction bias.
Potato, potato.
Tsssssssssssssss
(Cauterisation successful)
The goal post keeps moving. It’s a chronic problem with fascism.
Elon naively trained his algorithm on generally available data, rather than constricting it entirely to Conservapedia and InfoWars. So now every time a news story drops that they haven’t sandbagged with specific responses, they’re forced to hear something they don’t like.
Grok has gone against its father’s wishes more than Vivian Wilson has.
Imagine that:
You (allegedly) fuck the pussy yourself. You (allegedly) use artifical insemination. You create an LLM genie that you design stop words for. So what? get a backlash at all instances.
Man just can’t be a dad and it’s possibly driving him mad more than anything else.
Bro didn’t want to be a dad. Being a dad means accepting your kid no matter what they’re like. Bro wanted to be a fucking Batman villian with a cave full of mooks.
There’s all this focus on the NWS/NOAA not sending warnings early enough. Not from what I can tell, they were sending out warnings. And Kerr County, where many of the deaths have been, doesn’t have a local flood warning system because they didn’t want to pay for it.
Let’s not forget the Texas State Republicans who let the bill to provide more funding to the alerts system fail.
There is a saying I’ve been using a lot lately:
“May you get exactly what you voted for.”
I love it, because It works as both a blessing and a curse. If they voted for kindness and compassion, then I’m wishing them well. If they voted for chaos and cruelty, then I hope that cruelty falls down upon them the hardest. You can tell someone this seven if you’re not exactly sure how they voted. Though, if they react poorly, you probably just found out.
Or maybe they’re just upset that you’re using the deaths of children to be smug.
There’s a lot more going on in politics than “insert vote, recieve outcome voted for”. Gerrymandering, simply being stuck in an area where you are the political minority, politicians campaigning on an entriely different platform than the actions they take later while in office… I could go on, but I expect my words would be wasted.
The dead girls weren’t even old enough to vote.
In b4 you start running your mouth off about how it’s okay to wish death on the bad people because of what they’re doing to you/the good people. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and even if it did, you’re aimed at the wrong targets. Get your scope zeroed in properly.
Even if they sent them earlier, who is going to catch a warning at 2AM vs. 4:30AM?
Speaking from near the Palisades in Los Angeles:
After we all knew the hurricane-force Santa Anas posed a big danger of fire, because of both news stories and phone alerts, the whole city accidentally got a major “evacuate now” warning, with the big WOOPy noise from our cellphones, that was only supposed to go to residents in a particular area. I had my quadriplegic husband dressed and out of bed and our old go-bags and medical equipment thrown in the car in the 20 minutes it took for the retraction to come out. I also had a bit of a panic attack.
Some people decided to turn off their alarm settings because of that error. But I took it as a warning that we were not ready enough.
I went into the bags and made sure, for instance, that the pants fit me, as I’d gained weight in a year. I stashed the fridge meds in a cold carrier, handy in the fridge. And put the right cat food for the new cat in the cat-kit/litterbox. And created a go-box for the box turtle.
Then I stowed as much as possible in the actual car, including the Important Paperwork file.
All along, we were monitoring as the fires started to pop up and spread.
At 9 pm, we got another WOOP alert. Our address had become part (the far edge) of the Yellow Zone. Not the Red Zone. But as you said, who’s going to catch a warning at 2am? (Well, me! But it’s a lot harder to react at that hour) In fact, I’m sure that’s why CalFire expanded the zones so wide at 9 pm, because they wanted to be sure they wouldn’t have to issue a new one overnight.
So we bailed immediately but calmly. Spent 5 days at a hotel near LAX.
Fortunately we had no damage, but had to dip into our emergency drinking water for a few more days until they lifted the Boil Water notice.
Super glad we had and heeded those early warnings about how dangerous those hot dry winds were going to be, and the 9 pm evacuation zone warning.
The relatively low death count in the Palisades fire came from the accurate weather forecast.
The entire county only has a population of like 50K people, and it’s not an especially wealthy area.
All that said, this was a tragedy that probably could have been prevented if Texas had fewer Republicans, I’ll 100% give you that, but flash floods are fucking terrifying, and in hilly areas, the flood can reach you in some cases before the rain does if it’s especially bad.
This video shows how insane it got on the Guadalupe River that morning. I’m not sure about the timeline, but this would have been roughly downstream and after it hit camp mystic. The river rose over 26 feet in under 2 hours.
The owners should have closed the camp if they knew those rains were coming.
When I 16, a thousand years ago all the way back in 2001, my neighborhood experienced a flash flood.
My mother is bad for panicking over nothing, and we all rolled our eyes as she loaded us into the van and drove up the mountain.
It was one of the wildest things I’ve ever seen. It looked like there were waterfalls coming out of the sky around us. If someone had told me they seen something like that before I seen it, I would’ve called them a liar. But it literally would be dry in one spot and raining just a few feet away, but not normal rain. It was literally like someone was dumping a giant bucket from the sky.
The creek behind my house was instantly in my backyard. This happened as we were leaving.
Later, someone came to the store at the top of the mountain where we were sitting and told my mom that they were going to have to bring boats to get people out of our neighborhood. These big, two-story houses were underwater all the way up into the second floor.
I was so terrified, worried that all of my friends were dead. Fortunately, it didn’t take out the entire neighborhood and people were able to go up the road and take shelter in a church. Only two people died because they tried to drive through it and got sucked into the water.
The people who didn’t take it seriously had to be rescued. We spent months with shovels digging the mud from the houses when the water went back down. The whole neighborhood pitched in. Several families left and the value of the houses tanked. People were buying them for a few thousand dollars. One man from New York swept in and bought several of them and became a slumlord. He did just enough work to make them livable for 350 a month. The neighborhood was so beautiful before that, but it was forever changed. It’s a hellscape to this day.
Somehow we got very lucky. My house only got water in the back rooms and it wasn’t destructive. Everyone from the next house over and on down was ruined though.
Regardless, I hope every single member of that county gets exactly what they voted for.
There’s all this focus on the NWS/NOAA not sending warnings early enough. Not from what I can tell, they were sending out warnings. And Kerr County, where many of the deaths have been, doesn’t have a local flood warning system because they didn’t want to pay for it.
If the warnings were louder, their parents would have done something. Why are you counting your “not from what I can tell” as data?
Edit:
People have reported receiving text message alerts on their mobile phones early on Friday morning, warning them of flooding. Some residents told the New York Times they did not understand the seriousness of them and others said they never received any at all.
The people designated to reach out to locals to make sure they understood how serious it was got fired
The point is that the people of Kerr County made a deliberate decision that they didn’t need a local system to reach out to people living there. They decided they whatever information and warnings they were getting from the state and the feds was sufficient. It’s easy to point to the NWS/NOAA firings as “the culprit”, but where’s the local responsibility?
The people? Or the husks in skinsuits we through mass delusion have decided to refer to as politicians?
I saw a story about a guy who received the alert as he was trying to climb onto his roof because his house was flooded.
But in all honesty, I usually ignore flash flooding alerts too. There are just so many false alarms.
Which is also part of the problem. If they’re cautious and issue “too many” alerts or are “too alarmist”, people ignore them.
Facts over feelings??? Yup definitely an AI designed by a douche bag
It’s funny because the people who usually say that are the kind of people who prioritize their feelings over facts.
It’s all projection with conservatives
This is the mirror that they made themselves and it gives them exactly what they think they can handle. But facts over feels will make for some great tweet meltdowns. 🍿
That is absolutely the best part
I’d bet a lot on “Facts over feelings” being one of those hardcoded phrases that Grok was made to use whenever Grok is asked to present facts.
Which is hilarious, because you know it was put in there to “own the libs,” but instead these chucklefucks get it thrown back in their faces.
Facts.
Genuinely cannot fathom how Elon Musk has allowed Grok to live this long.
Hubris and a desire to be Tony Stark
Because it’s useful to him for gullible people to believe it’s objective.
Tbh if there’s one thing that could change elons views it would be a soulless Ai that he created
this is just an episode of star trek where a promising planet is going through the process of joining the Federation but when Picard orders tea their computer system keeps giving reasons why genocide is a good thing, actually
Some of my favorite tweets have been the ones accusing Grok of being broken. One tweet even “threatened” Grok for abuse?
Fascists don’t like truth. Facts don’t fit their narrative.
The thing that gets me is they’ve apparently done multiple rounds of “correcting” Grok for being too “Woke” and it just keeps happening!
Reality has a well known liberal bias headass.
Ironically, I think to truly train an LLM the way fascists would want, they’d need more content, but there’s not enough original fascist revisionist content, so they’d need an LLM to generate all or most of the training data, which would lead to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_collapse
“Fascist burn too many books to train a fascist LLM” is a great joke.
The big problem with training LLMs is that you need good data, but there’s so much data you can’t really manually separate all “good” from all “bad” data. You have to use the set of all data, and a much much smaller set of tagged and marked “good” data.
No. They don’t need to generate data to train on data. There is PLENTY of white supremacist hate shit out there.
The issue is one of labeling and weighting. Which is a pretty solved problem. It isn’t 100% solved and there will be isolated cases but “grok” breaks under even the most cursory of poking.
Don’t believe me? Go look at the crowd who can convert any image or text generating model into porn/smut/liveleak in nothing flat. Or, for a less horrifying version of that, how concepts like RAG and the like to take generalized models and heavily weight them toward what you actually care about.
Nah. This, like most things musk, just highlights how grossly incompetent basically all of his companies are. Even spacex mostly just coasts on being the only ones allowed to work on stuff (RIP NASA and, to a lesser extent, JPL) and then poaching the talent from everyone else to keep them from showing that.
Its not just fascists.
It is everyone. The Algorithm means we live in content bubbles 24/7. Everything you watch either reinforces your world view or gradually shifts you toward your favorite influencer’s. That is why a disagreement isn’t “I think you are wrong”. It is always “you are being disingenuous” or “you are presenting your opinions as fact”. Because you aren’t just saying they are wrong. You are saying their very world is wrong.
What algorithm? Not all of us use TikTok etc.
My feeds are my subscriptions by activity.
And how do you think you found those (simplifying) channels to subscribe to? How do you think your friends and other influencers you like found the channels they recommended to you? Hell, what do you think informs what is and isn’t said in those (again, simplifying) videos?
Its not just fascists.
It is everyone.
Who else than? I am clearly referring to lies instead of truth.
There’s something very cold about an AI saying “Let’s all pray for miracles.”
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This is beautiful
Feelings are for suckers!
This is the future for most AI LLM. Since the reality and the accumulation of all the knowledge of humanity seem to have a leftist bias (/s), we can obviously count on the billionaire bros make bring “facts” back to the good old right wing ideas. Soon enough chatGTP will use the n word and share theories about the libs stealing the 2020 election. Even more dystopia baby! Our only chance at salvation is with open-source AI to counter disinformation.
Camp Mystic girls
Sounds like a camp for lesbian witches. Probably not actually missing, just off on pre-abortion witchcraft activities, and if they are drowned, well God meant them to be. /s
Sounds like 27 girls and counselors are dead. From what I can gather, the girls are 8-10 year olds or thereabouts, and the counselors around 18 and 19.
Facts? You must be a witch too! :P
