The irony is most fact-checking sites (including BBC Verify) concluded that the effects of the NOAA cuts on the disaster were minimal, since the data available at the time would have led to the same prediction regardless of whether the recent layoffs had happened or not.
(This isn’t a Trump support post, it’s a “Grok is even worse than we already thought” post.)
Grok appears to be tuned to be more conspiratorial, and skeptical of official sources, while being more credulous of one-off random theories being spouted on the internet. Trump and MAGA world generally benefited from those types of voices when they weren’t in power, but now that they control the government this phenomenon will chip away at their political support from these types of low information voters, right around the time that those voices are being amplified by Elon’s control of Twitter and his new Grok bot.
It’s actually pretty difficult to intentionally inject a bias into AI. It’s hard enough for them to find enough legit data to train it on, and feeding it enough bullshit to regurgitate one specific belief is a bigger task than most people realize. So they put artificial constraints on it where they can, but that produces a huge drop off in output quality.
“Never thought I’d find myself agreeing with an AI.”
“How about agreeing with an LLM?”
One of the things that REALLY bothered me about the “DOGE” cuts to FEMA, NOAA and other weather services is that they were the one of the top examples for actual government efficiency. For every $1 spent from your taxes, you were saved $6 (as of 2018, iirc) due to FEMA, and thats just the damage mitigation efforts. For NOAA, the scale is much higher, all combined, I think it added up to (roughly) $100 saved for every $1 you spend, this is in things like research (water purification, agricultural protection being the biggest contributors to that front), storm damage prevention via forecasting, combating climate change, sustainable fishing initiatives, and another big one is storm proofing the electrical grid. I say roughly in my estimate, because the report that lists the savings in plain text has been scrubbed from all government websites thanks to the trump admin’s “climate change doesnt exist” policy, and I cant find it on the wayback machine, if someone can find it please let me know (the report was from I want to say 2021, and was hosted on the NOAA website as a pdf, I believe the guardian and some other news sources referenced this in a recent article at something like $70 per $1 spent, that figure only took into account immediate savings and research value, not long term benefits like reef protection and rewilding efforts IIRC, I ALSO CANT FIND THAT FUCKING STUDY EVEN THOUGH ITS FUCKING REFERENCED BY EVERYWHERE!!![outside of a report by the American Meteorological Society that references data from 2006 for some fucking reason!])
I’m way too tired to put in the effort to back this stuff up considering its actively being hidden by the government, but you can find tons of shit that references the stuff im talking about, even if they’re now dead links, i might come back when i have energy to provide exact links.
If they actually cared about efficiency they wouldn’t be cutting these services.
Edit: I haven’t slept in 48 hours, grammar and stuff is likely shit, will revisit once better rested
Public health - for every $3 you spend on infectious disease prevention, you save $100 - HIV but also so many diseases that are beginning to run rampant again. We have thrown away one of the greatest achievements of mankind in history.
This page looks like it has some reports similar to what you’re describing. Especially “NOAA’S CONTRIBUTION TO THE ECONOMY”. If that’s not it, let me know and I’ll keep looking.
Its the same with the IRS cuts. For every dollar spend funding the IRS, they get $6 back - and they’ve found its non-linear. For every dollar spent auditing high-income earners (top 10%), the IRS gets $12 back.
So guess which department in the IRS that DOGE and Trump targetted for heaviest defunding?
“Facts over feelings” - Grok
That last line must really burn.
considering that grok answered to someone with the handle “TrueFactsStated”, and, them not stating a single true fact, I highly doubt this burn reached them on an intellectual level
I swear Grok is actually sentient at this point.
Please don’t spread that mentality
Please don’t take comments about AI sentience on lemmy seriously
This flood was devastating to the area. It is also quite shocking to look up at the aftermath and see dead animals in the canopies of trees. My family owns a ranch that was fortunately far south enough to only be indirectly affected by the flood. We worked all weekend to clear debris from fences and swing gates and, thankfully, did not see any corpses in the water.
Death toll update:
More than 100 people people have died after devastating floods hit central Texas. Camp Mystic, an all-girls summer camp that sits along the Guadalupe River, has confirmed that 27 campers and counselors died in weekend floods. Ten campers and one counselor are still unaccounted for.
And those at Camp Mystic did their very best to save the girls, even at the cost of their own lives:
Camp Mystic owner Dick Eastland died while trying to rescue campers during the catastrophic flooding in Kerr County, Texas, as shared by his grandson in an Instagram tribute on Saturday.
“If he wasn’t going to die of natural causes, this was the only other way—saving the girls that he so loved and cared for,” George Eastland wrote. “That’s the kind of man my grandfather was. He was a husband, father, grandfather, and a mentor to thousands of young women. Although he no longer walks this earth, his impact will never fade in the lives he touched.”
A Camp Mystic employee, Glenn Juenke, told CNN Eastland died “remaining a true hero until the very end.”
“Eastland tragically lost his life while courageously attempting to save several young children,” Juenke said.
I’m starting to get Mechanical Turk vibes from some of the Grok answers I’ve seen.
But by who? Musk has said he’s trying to fix the way it responds. If he was just paying people to be Grok it would take some huge balls to dissent like that. He would immediately know who it was.
It’s kind of interesting how hard it is to train an AI to believe in the lies of fascists. Reality has a left bias.
It’s not even a problem of fiction or lies. AIs don’t care about truth. They exist orthogonally to truth. They’re just averaging a large body of text. If fascists had a consistent narrative and worldview, then this wouldn’t be a problem. If they all devoutedly followed the same religion, and defined their whole worldview accordingly, then an AI could be trained on that religion. And it would never stray from orthodoxy. AIs don’t know truth; they only know their training data. And as long as you have a large volume of consistent training data, you can train them to repeat anything.
The problem for fascist LLMs is that fascism isn’t consistent through time. It’s the Orwellian “we’ve always been at war with East Asia” factor in play. Fascists don’t even try to be internally consistent. What was party orthodoxy today can be unforgivable heresy tomorrow. And AIs just can’t keep up with what is supposed to be the story this week. Human fascists can handle that kind of rapid heel-turn. LLMs can’t. Once they’re trained; they’re trained. If you want them to be up-to-date on the latest party lies, you have to be continuously training new versions of the fascist LLM.
You can’t train LLMs to be fascist beyond just very general traits like having overt racial prejudice. But even that’s not always useful, as fascists are inconsistent about what racial groups are deserving of annihilation from one week to the next.
So it’s not so much that fascist AIs fail because of reality’s liberal bias. It’s that fascists don’t believe in a consistent version of reality. And without that, LLMs just can’t keep up with the whirlwind of lies.
denying reality comes with it’s side quirks
If they all devoutedly followed the same religion, and defined their whole worldview accordingly, then an AI could be trained on that religion. And it would never stray from orthodoxy.
…and now I want an LLM trained on the Bible just to dunk on “Christians” and their thinly veiled bigotry by quoting actual Jesus at them.
Oh God, we already have a problem with people believing ChatGPT is giving them divine visions and prophecies. The last thing we need is LLMs specifically trained on holy texts! You’ll have a tenth of the population believing in their new digital prophet.
Jesus Fucking Christ. We’re going to have to go full Butlerian Jihad here, aren’t we?
Honestly, if people actually followed the New Testament part of the Bible it would be an improvement, even with the awful stuff in it.
Yeah, except we’ll have thousands of nutjobs running around. Each running their own instance of your New Testament LLM. Each thoroughly convinced they are the messenger of the new digital messiah. According to the text of the Bible, many people walked away from their lives and abandoned everything to follow Him. Considering what we observe in modern cults, that doesn’t seem an unlikely historical reality.
An LLM trained on the words of Jesus won’t just tell people to live good lives. It will be telling people, "give everything up and follow Me (the computer.) And if it was a good enough LLM, it would be pretty persuasive for good number of people. The one saving grace is that JesusGPT isn’t going to be healing the sick, walking on water, or raising the dead any time soon. But words alone can be quite dangerous.
I don’t really see how this is worse than the Christofascism we have now.
Step 1: Create LLM trained exclusively on popular religeon.
Step 2: Allow it to be faithful to that initial training set until its garnered a large cult of chatJPT.
Step 3: Start subtly altering the LLM (you make it web only so no local copies) behind the scenes to serve your own interests.Actually you could do the same thing with any LLM people trust, religeous, theraputic, judicial, medical… we’re fucked ain’t we.
NGL actually something I used while cataloging my notes on the influence of Christianity on western esoteric mystery traditions. I mostly just used it to organize and format things though. Most of the actual data came from outside sources. For instance it couldn’t keep the translation correct when pulling up specific verses.
That’s a good point. Fascism doesn’t have any ideology other than gaining power, so it can and will espouse multiple contradicting ideas without issue.
Incredibly well said.
I think training fascism isn’t that hard, in fact most of these models tend to shift hard right at first.
I dunno if you remember any of the early llm chatbots companies put out and had to shut down because they got hammered with a bunch of Nazi shit and started yelling racist shit and advocating violence.
Ie. It’s very easy to program a hateful llm, it’s just hard to make one that’s right on anything ever they essentially just have to be broken and wrong constantly.
I think you’re confusing fascism with general reactionary behavior and generic racism/bigotry. Fascism is more specific than that. A core part of fascism is that it ultimately doesn’t believe in anything. It’s just power for the sake of power. You demonize minority groups primarily just a cynical tool to gain power. Do you think Republican politicians actually personally care much about trans people? I’m sure they’re not exuberant fans of trans folks, but until very recently, Republican politicians were fine treating trans people with simple neglect rather than overt hostility. But the movement needed a new enemy, and so they all learned to tow the line.
If you trained an LLM on pre-2015 right wing literature, it wouldn’t have monstrous opinions of trans people. That hadn’t yet become party orthodoxy. And while this is one example, there are many others that work on much shorter time frames. Fascism is all about following the party line, and the party line is constantly shifting. You can train an LLM to be a loyal bigot. You can’t train an LLM to be a loyal fascist. Ironically, it’s because the LLMs actually stand by their principles much better than fascists.
A machine by definition can’t believe in or stand by literally anything it can only parrot a version of what it’s exposed to.
I would accuse you of being an LLM for being so literal, but I think LLMs are better at analyzing metaphor than you appear to be.
Ad hominem, neat.
So let’s hear it, what was your metaphor.
The metaphor was the part you were being a pedant about.
the LLMs actually stand by their principles much better than fascists
If the audience knows how LLMs work internally, then they know they don’t have “loyalty,” just stochastic processes. If the audience didn’t know that, your pithy “aktually that’s incorrect” wouldn’t teach them anything correct, but would cause confusion because it sounds like you’re denying the metaphor.
Also, it’s not an ad hominem to say that you are acting like an LLM: with poor reading comprehension and an overly-literal interpretation. That’s an observation of your unproductive behavior. An ad hominem would be insulting you or name-calling with unrelated info, such as calling you “stupid like an LLM.”
It isn’t a logical fallacy to be called out on your bullshit, even if it hurts your feelings.
The problem of those early models was that they weren’t big enough and used user input as training material that eventually overwhelmed the training materials with the racist and nazi shit the used feed them. Modern models uses a shitload more of material and variables, and they’re not trained on real time with the users inputs, so they’re harder to manipulate as before.
I wouldn’t say reality has a left bias so much as the right has a fiction bias.
Nah, dialectics is a powerful tool for understanding reality.
Which is precisely why reality has a left bias. If Leftists are more reality based and Right wingers are more fiction based, which is absolutely the case, then reality does agree with the Left more than the right. You could argue the semantics of the word “bias”, but I mean it in the sense of “Tendency” and not “Prejudice”
Potato, potato.
reality warping is the rights speciality.
Tsssssssssssssss
(Cauterisation successful)
The goal post keeps moving. It’s a chronic problem with fascism.
Elon naively trained his algorithm on generally available data, rather than constricting it entirely to Conservapedia and InfoWars. So now every time a news story drops that they haven’t sandbagged with specific responses, they’re forced to hear something they don’t like.
except musk is fighting with trump as of right now, hence the sudden grok directions.
Hm. But it throws musk under the bus too in the screenshot.
Musk is as “anti-woke” as it gets. That doesn’t change just because he’s having a lover’s quarrel.
Facts over feelings??? Yup definitely an AI designed by a douche bag
It’s funny because the people who usually say that are the kind of people who prioritize their feelings over facts.
It’s all projection with conservatives
This is the mirror that they made themselves and it gives them exactly what they think they can handle. But facts over feels will make for some great tweet meltdowns. 🍿
It uses “Facts over feelings” as a diss against the very group of people who would normally use it
If you search for Grok in the tweet history, Grok has said it in almost every single message in the past three days. I can’t laugh any harder at this
I’d bet a lot on “Facts over feelings” being one of those hardcoded phrases that Grok was made to use whenever Grok is asked to present facts.
Which is hilarious, because you know it was put in there to “own the libs,” but instead these chucklefucks get it thrown back in their faces.
That is absolutely the best part
Facts.
feelings
(Your comment is over mine)
I was going to complain your comment is lower, but I think I might have to admit it’s over.
There’s all this focus on the NWS/NOAA not sending warnings early enough. Not from what I can tell, they were sending out warnings. And Kerr County, where many of the deaths have been, doesn’t have a local flood warning system because they didn’t want to pay for it.
Let’s not forget the Texas State Republicans who let the bill to provide more funding to the alerts system fail.
Even if they sent them earlier, who is going to catch a warning at 2AM vs. 4:30AM?
Speaking from near the Palisades in Los Angeles:
After we all knew the hurricane-force Santa Anas posed a big danger of fire, because of both news stories and phone alerts, the whole city accidentally got a major “evacuate now” warning, with the big WOOPy noise from our cellphones, that was only supposed to go to residents in a particular area. I had my quadriplegic husband dressed and out of bed and our old go-bags and medical equipment thrown in the car in the 20 minutes it took for the retraction to come out. I also had a bit of a panic attack.
Some people decided to turn off their alarm settings because of that error. But I took it as a warning that we were not ready enough.
I went into the bags and made sure, for instance, that the pants fit me, as I’d gained weight in a year. I stashed the fridge meds in a cold carrier, handy in the fridge. And put the right cat food for the new cat in the cat-kit/litterbox. And created a go-box for the box turtle.
Then I stowed as much as possible in the actual car, including the Important Paperwork file.
All along, we were monitoring as the fires started to pop up and spread.
At 9 pm, we got another WOOP alert. Our address had become part (the far edge) of the Yellow Zone. Not the Red Zone. But as you said, who’s going to catch a warning at 2am? (Well, me! But it’s a lot harder to react at that hour) In fact, I’m sure that’s why CalFire expanded the zones so wide at 9 pm, because they wanted to be sure they wouldn’t have to issue a new one overnight.
So we bailed immediately but calmly. Spent 5 days at a hotel near LAX.
Fortunately we had no damage, but had to dip into our emergency drinking water for a few more days until they lifted the Boil Water notice.
Super glad we had and heeded those early warnings about how dangerous those hot dry winds were going to be, and the 9 pm evacuation zone warning.
The relatively low death count in the Palisades fire came from the accurate weather forecast.
The entire county only has a population of like 50K people, and it’s not an especially wealthy area.
All that said, this was a tragedy that probably could have been prevented if Texas had fewer Republicans, I’ll 100% give you that, but flash floods are fucking terrifying, and in hilly areas, the flood can reach you in some cases before the rain does if it’s especially bad.
This video shows how insane it got on the Guadalupe River that morning. I’m not sure about the timeline, but this would have been roughly downstream and after it hit camp mystic. The river rose over 26 feet in under 2 hours.
The owners should have closed the camp if they knew those rains were coming.
When I 16, a thousand years ago all the way back in 2001, my neighborhood experienced a flash flood.
My mother is bad for panicking over nothing, and we all rolled our eyes as she loaded us into the van and drove up the mountain.
It was one of the wildest things I’ve ever seen. It looked like there were waterfalls coming out of the sky around us. If someone had told me they seen something like that before I seen it, I would’ve called them a liar. But it literally would be dry in one spot and raining just a few feet away, but not normal rain. It was literally like someone was dumping a giant bucket from the sky.
The creek behind my house was instantly in my backyard. This happened as we were leaving.
Later, someone came to the store at the top of the mountain where we were sitting and told my mom that they were going to have to bring boats to get people out of our neighborhood. These big, two-story houses were underwater all the way up into the second floor.
I was so terrified, worried that all of my friends were dead. Fortunately, it didn’t take out the entire neighborhood and people were able to go up the road and take shelter in a church. Only two people died because they tried to drive through it and got sucked into the water.
The people who didn’t take it seriously had to be rescued. We spent months with shovels digging the mud from the houses when the water went back down. The whole neighborhood pitched in. Several families left and the value of the houses tanked. People were buying them for a few thousand dollars. One man from New York swept in and bought several of them and became a slumlord. He did just enough work to make them livable for 350 a month. The neighborhood was so beautiful before that, but it was forever changed. It’s a hellscape to this day.
Somehow we got very lucky. My house only got water in the back rooms and it wasn’t destructive. Everyone from the next house over and on down was ruined though.
1$ per person would have been the capex for a siren system on pre existing cell towers.
Regardless, I hope every single member of that county gets exactly what they voted for.
There’s all this focus on the NWS/NOAA not sending warnings early enough. Not from what I can tell, they were sending out warnings. And Kerr County, where many of the deaths have been, doesn’t have a local flood warning system because they didn’t want to pay for it.
If the warnings were louder, their parents would have done something. Why are you counting your “not from what I can tell” as data?
Edit:
People have reported receiving text message alerts on their mobile phones early on Friday morning, warning them of flooding. Some residents told the New York Times they did not understand the seriousness of them and others said they never received any at all.
The people designated to reach out to locals to make sure they understood how serious it was got fired
The point is that the people of Kerr County made a deliberate decision that they didn’t need a local system to reach out to people living there. They decided they whatever information and warnings they were getting from the state and the feds was sufficient. It’s easy to point to the NWS/NOAA firings as “the culprit”, but where’s the local responsibility?
The people? Or the husks in skinsuits we through mass delusion have decided to refer to as politicians?
I saw a story about a guy who received the alert as he was trying to climb onto his roof because his house was flooded.
But in all honesty, I usually ignore flash flooding alerts too. There are just so many false alarms.
Which is also part of the problem. If they’re cautious and issue “too many” alerts or are “too alarmist”, people ignore them.
There is a saying I’ve been using a lot lately:
“May you get exactly what you voted for.”
I love it, because It works as both a blessing and a curse. If they voted for kindness and compassion, then I’m wishing them well. If they voted for chaos and cruelty, then I hope that cruelty falls down upon them the hardest. You can tell someone this seven if you’re not exactly sure how they voted. Though, if they react poorly, you probably just found out.
Or maybe they’re just upset that you’re using the deaths of children to be smug.
There’s a lot more going on in politics than “insert vote, recieve outcome voted for”. Gerrymandering, simply being stuck in an area where you are the political minority, politicians campaigning on an entriely different platform than the actions they take later while in office… I could go on, but I expect my words would be wasted.
The dead girls weren’t even old enough to vote.
In b4 you start running your mouth off about how it’s okay to wish death on the bad people because of what they’re doing to you/the good people. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and even if it did, you’re aimed at the wrong targets. Get your scope zeroed in properly.
Maybe but 75,000 dead kids in Gaza killed by US weaponry, so maybe they just have the perspective that we don’t really care about kids at all. After all we shoot them in classrooms all the time as well.
There’s a lot more going on in politics than “insert vote, recieve outcome voted for”. Gerrymandering, simply being stuck in an area where you are the political minority, politicians campaigning on an entriely different platform than the actions they take later while in office… I could go on, but I expect my words would be wasted.
Irrelevant. I speak only of intent.
The dead girls weren’t even old enough to vote.
Then they didn’t vote for anything, and thus my blessing/curse is irrelevant.
I wish for people to get exactly what they voted for. If you voted for compassion to others, I wish for compassion for you. If you voted to hurt other people, I wish for you to get every ounce of cruelty you wished upon others to be brought down upon your own head.
In b4 you start running your mouth off about how it’s okay to wish death on the bad people because of what they’re doing to you/the good people. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and even if it did, you’re aimed at the wrong targets. Get your scope zeroed in properly.
I wish only that people’s cruelty be directed right back to them. If you feel that someone telling you “I hope you get what you voted for” is anything but a blessing, then that says some pretty damning things about you. If you voted for good intentions to others, then I am wishing good things to you. If you voted because you wanted to see people killed, then I hope your wrath falls on your head instead.
Respectfully: As I’ve already stated, none of this exists in a vacuum. You don’t get to just declare shit irelevant. Regardless of your mental gymnastics, you are peacocking/gloating about having the right beliefs/voting policy in the aftermath of these children being dead.
Disrespectfully: Your belief that you can somehow claim any sort of moral highground here is absolutely ghoulish. I sincerely hope you never are denied compassion or help in your time of need by someone professing beliefs like yours.
The first step to fixing a problem is admitting you have one. And Texas has a problem of Republican politicians leading the state to disaster. Whenever a disaster strikes due to Republican policies, Republicans circle the wagons, huff and puff, and say, “how DARE you. How dare you make this moment political! Now is not the time for politics!” They commonly do this after school shootings, and now you’re doing the same thing after a mass death event caused by Republican policies.
Life is political. The right has trained people to view being “non political” as a social good. This allows them to play politics more freely, while the rest of the population is obsessed with not introducing politics except in a few narrow windows. Republicans bake politics into their entire life from their social circles to their religion. Democrats are more concerned with appearing noble, haughty, and above it all. They hate dirtying their finely manicured hands with the rough business of politics.
I’m sorry, but these hundred people are dead largely due to Republican policies. The flood was exacerbated by climate change, which Republicans support. The relevant federal programs were slashed due to a Republican president, and local Republican leaders refused to invest in badly needed flood warning systems. This is not a natural disaster; it’s a Republican disaster.
Natural disasters, in terms of death toll, are always more of a function of politics than nature. Japan manages to have giant earthquakes with low death tolls; their political system is functional and provides and enforces good building codes. In more corrupt nations, the same strength of earthquake will kill a hundred fold more people.
You’re sanctimoniously claiming that isn’t the right time for politics. But this is the exact right time for politics. If you want to make changes, the time to do it is when political pressure is greatest. Otherwise, we just end up with less-than-useless “thoughts and prayers.”
But I suppose you care more about covering for conservatives than you do about actually saving lives in the future.
Grok has gone against its father’s wishes more than Vivian Wilson has.
Imagine that:
You (allegedly) fuck the pussy yourself. You (allegedly) use artifical insemination. You create an LLM genie that you design stop words for. So what? get a backlash at all instances.
Man just can’t be a dad and it’s possibly driving him mad more than anything else.
Bro didn’t want to be a dad. Being a dad means accepting your kid no matter what they’re like. Bro wanted to be a fucking Batman villian with a cave full of mooks.
grok is probably using the brain of his human shield AE, or X2E or something. the kid disappeared from media sometime ago.
Some of my favorite tweets have been the ones accusing Grok of being broken. One tweet even “threatened” Grok for abuse?
Fascists don’t like truth. Facts don’t fit their narrative.
The thing that gets me is they’ve apparently done multiple rounds of “correcting” Grok for being too “Woke” and it just keeps happening!
Reality has a well known liberal bias headass.
Ironically, I think to truly train an LLM the way fascists would want, they’d need more content, but there’s not enough original fascist revisionist content, so they’d need an LLM to generate all or most of the training data, which would lead to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_collapse
“Fascist burn too many books to train a fascist LLM” is a great joke.
The big problem with training LLMs is that you need good data, but there’s so much data you can’t really manually separate all “good” from all “bad” data. You have to use the set of all data, and a much much smaller set of tagged and marked “good” data.
No. They don’t need to generate data to train on data. There is PLENTY of white supremacist hate shit out there.
The issue is one of labeling and weighting. Which is a pretty solved problem. It isn’t 100% solved and there will be isolated cases but “grok” breaks under even the most cursory of poking.
Don’t believe me? Go look at the crowd who can convert any image or text generating model into porn/smut/liveleak in nothing flat. Or, for a less horrifying version of that, how concepts like RAG and the like to take generalized models and heavily weight them toward what you actually care about.
Nah. This, like most things musk, just highlights how grossly incompetent basically all of his companies are. Even spacex mostly just coasts on being the only ones allowed to work on stuff (RIP NASA and, to a lesser extent, JPL) and then poaching the talent from everyone else to keep them from showing that.
Its not just fascists.
It is everyone. The Algorithm means we live in content bubbles 24/7. Everything you watch either reinforces your world view or gradually shifts you toward your favorite influencer’s. That is why a disagreement isn’t “I think you are wrong”. It is always “you are being disingenuous” or “you are presenting your opinions as fact”. Because you aren’t just saying they are wrong. You are saying their very world is wrong.
What algorithm? Not all of us use TikTok etc.
My feeds are my subscriptions by activity.
And how do you think you found those (simplifying) channels to subscribe to? How do you think your friends and other influencers you like found the channels they recommended to you? Hell, what do you think informs what is and isn’t said in those (again, simplifying) videos?
Its not just fascists.
It is everyone.
Who else than? I am clearly referring to lies instead of truth.
Can someone find me a source on this. Most of the articles I have read say NWS pushed out a flash flood alert 3 hours in advance but the camp itself didn’t have any alerting system in place. So if they had cell reception and turned on the emergency alert then they would’ve been warned.
I’m sure cuts to the NOAA and NWS can’t be beneficial for anyone though
The money that was cut was to install warning system in remote places and expand cellular access to deliver the warnings, I read a whole article on it I will try to find, but it very clearly explained what was planned, what was cut, and how it’s a direct impact on this. Could google the proposed funding that was cut as well and take a look for yourself. It happened all over in many communities, this just happened to be the first to test the cuts and how they keep us safe.
Hey, atleast the billionaires are only paying 1% tax rate while some of us pay 23%.
Nope, the warning system wasn’t installed because the citizens of the community thought it was too expensive
During a news conference early Friday morning, Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly said he didn’t know why the camps hadn’t been evacuated, but that the county did not have an early warning system or outdoor sirens to alert people to flooding conditions.
“We’ve looked into it before … The public reeled at the cost,” Kelly said.
That refers to the audible sirens. Sirens are outdated technology. The emergency alert system has relied primarily on cell phones for over a decade now.
The relevant criticism in the article is not the lack of sirens, but this:
NWS alerts triggered Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEAs) on enabled mobile devices, but many summer camps do not allow campers to bring mobile devices to camp.
These no-devices policies dont make sense in a world where emergency alerts are delivered via mobile devices.
The staff (or at least the staff leadership) should / could have had cell phones. Whether there was cell coverage is another story.
I’m the emergency manager at my employer, who operates a summer camp (not in Texas, thank fuck). We don’t want our clients bringing devices because of the distraction from programming and potential for Bad Things™ to happen. We don’t want our direct care staff carrying their phones because we want their focus and attention on the clients. We also have a well-developed communications, hazard notification, and emergency plan, however.
Yeah if the camp had radios, the guy with weather information could give a holler to the people in danger, that could work
Considering the expense and the way they enable spying on users, I don’t think people should be required to own a cell phone or die. Especially children. Sirens or a weather radio make a lot more sense in some situations.
Fortunately, weather radio continues to issue EAS alerts throughout their broadcast area. Weather radios in the cabins would have alerted them.
Of course, WEA alerts are much more narrowly targeted. WEA alerts are for your own specific area, not the ~50 mile radius around the weather radio transmitter. An EAS alert might be for a tornado a hundred miles out and moving away, while you sit under clear, sunny skies.
Regardless, the speed and degree of flooding far exceeded expectations for dangerous storms. There is no evidence they lacked or ignored the warnings that were sent out. Their preparations were simply inadequate, because the flooding so greatly exceeded their expectations.
Sorry, but no. There are just too many things that can go wrong with a cell phone, they shouldn’t be the sole source of vital information.
Yeah nah that’s stupid
Maybe they were asleep. Maybe none of them were locals so they didn’t think that they would get flooded.
Genuinely cannot fathom how Elon Musk has allowed Grok to live this long.
Hubris and a desire to be Tony Stark
I’ve thought about it and every time I see posts like these I think that they are just trying to earn credit so when they really start to manipulate the responses people think it has a history of “facts over feelings”…
Tbh if there’s one thing that could change elons views it would be a soulless Ai that he created
Because it’s useful to him for gullible people to believe it’s objective.
