RATM supported Sendero Luminoso.
Fuck RATM.
The Shining Path has been widely condemned for its excessive brutality, including violence deployed against peasants, trade union organizers, competing Marxist groups, elected officials and the general public.[2]
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The Shining Path’s retaliation to this was one of the worst attacks in the entire conflict, with a group of guerrilla members entering the town and going house by house, killing dozens of villagers, including babies, with guns, hatchets, and axes. This action has come to be known as the Lucanamarca massacre.[39] Additional massacres of civilians by the Shining Path would occur throughout the conflict.[26][40][41]
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American rock band Rage Against the Machine released a music video for their 1993 song “Bombtrack” as a response to the arrest of Abimael Guzman the previous year. The video expresses support for Guzman and the Shining Path, featuring various clips of the organization’s activities, as well as showing the band in a cage to mimic Guzman’s imprisonment.[145]
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Hey look over here everyone!!! I found one!
hahaha, slurs. so funny and so original 🙄
Go back to /pol/, Nazi.
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Every life matters, and the reason we cannot make progress is because people who think they are ‘good’ are shunning and actively casting away people with less than desirable traits.
Nazis suck, racists suck, bigots suck, but they weren’t born that way. Their lived experience led them to the place they are in. How do you get them out? Practice what you are preaching: compassion.
Edit: this comment here explains my point better than my own https://ponder.cat/comment/1872062
Every life matters
You started from a faulty assumption. Nazi lives don’t matter.
Did Abimael Guzman’s life matter?
I have to look him up on Wikipedia, so he doesn’t really matter to me. He’s not a Nazi though, so maybe?
Sorry it’s just the way it is with Nazis. The only good one is a dead one. Just accept it.
Guzman has the blood of Peruvian peasants on his hands.
Ok but we’re talking about Nazis, and the principle stands.
No, you’re missing an entire level here. Racists suck, bigots suck but Nazis? Nazis round up people and gas them to death and then stack the bodies in the dirt like cord wood. It’s a different level.
Have compassion for Trump guys. He’s having a rough go of it lately.
Nowhere in my comment was Trump mentioned. I don’t like him either. The concept of hurt people hurt people still applies though
Hahahaha! No! Not with neo-nazis. Look with racists and bigots I’ll agree, try compassion first. I’ve done that and for most racists and bigots I’ve confronted it has worked. I didn’t change them to be a champion of minorities but usually I can convince someone to behave nicer. Neo-nazis on the other hand are not just regular racists and bigots who say terrible things but don’t actually do anything. Neo-nazis are the extreme and if they’re an adult regardless of their life experience they know what they’re saying is wrong. So no, I have no compassion and will never have compassion for an adult who is a neo-nazi. Period.
I’m glad to see that the strategy of compassion has worked for you in some cases. It’s a nuanced topic, but I firmly believe that if we want to be progressive & inclusive we need to adopt a mindset of ‘no man left behind’.
Again, it’s nuanced and it takes a lot of effort. Perhaps I am oversimplifying things too much, on the other hand, I think that we will not be better off by casting out anyone.
You have a big heart, and that’s a good thing. I could not disagree with you more. ‘No man left behind’ is a noble code to live to but I think that following it to an absolute sense defeats it’s purpose. ‘No man left behind’ to me means anybody on my team is never alone. The key is they have to be on my team and in this case everyone who isn’t a nazi is on my team. Neo-nazis have made real threats against people who I’m on the same team with and I would be leaving them behind if I didn’t oppose neo-nazis. If it comes to it, yeah Nazi lives don’t matter.
I’m not saying hunt them down and kill them. I’m saying take the ones who have actually done terrible things, put them in prison. Tell them to either grow up and change, or stay behind bars until they’re so insignificant that there’s no need to hold them anymore or until they die naturally. Holding neo-nazis accountable shouldn’t be controversial. If that requires taking their life I won’t shed any tears, but that is absolutely a last resort.
Thanks for your insight. I should have made clearer in my original comment that me saying that all lives matter does not equate to ‘Neo-nazi’s should walk free’. If the life of you or a person you care about is in immediate danger, then obviously that threat needs to be dealt with accordingly. We actually agree on pretty much everything.
I think for me the difference for now is in the recognition that while we as a civilization seem to be heading towards big trouble, most of us privileged enough to sit and type comments on an online discussion forum are not in actual immediate physical danger. It is therefore useless to me to think about crossing the line of taking lives, either for me or by me.
All I wish for is that when it is all said and done, we can all focus on improving lives, instead of ruining them. There is a lot of work that needs to be done before that though…
Rage 2022 in Cleveland.
Which one of the 2 buildings was this in?
RoMoFiHo
Why are all of their songs still relevant 30 years later?
Because the problems they raged about are systemic, and the system didn’t change.
It did change, though. It got significantly worse.
Because we never eliminate the root cause
It’s easier to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine the end of capitalism.
Because humans are fucking stupid and history always repeats itself.
All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.
Until conservatives and authoritarians stop getting their way.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.
The problem with this quote is that everyone thinks they’re the strong men. In other words, it’s mostly useless rhetoric that doesn’t really identify the problem.
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A few weak men are indeed making very hard times
So say we all.
“The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. In one Age, called the Third Age by some, an Age yet to come, an Age long past, a wind rose above the great mountainous island of Tremalking. The wind was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning.”
The problems are systemic and the humans in the system are incentivized to perpetuate the system.
Its not stupidity.
Humans or Americans?
Because those that work forces are still the ones that burn crosses
Because nobody actually listened to and took seriously what they were saying 30 years ago.
Fun fact: After 9/11, various songs evoking 9/11, such as ‘Learning to Fly’ by Tom Petty, ‘Stairway to Heaven’ by Led Zeppelin, ‘It’s the End of the World as we Know it’ by REM … all banned from airing for about 120 days.
Oh.
And literally everything from Rage Against the Machine.
Other fun fact about this?
This censorship wasn’t done by the FCC.
It was done by ClearChannel, aka iHeartRadio, aka, the corporation that now owns or controls basically all terrestrial radio stations.
https://www.kerrang.com/here-are-the-164-songs-that-were-banned-from-american-radio-after-9-11
Warpigs is still banned by Clearchannel
Wow.
I did not know that.
Hooray for the enshittified cyberpunk dystopia.
The same reason socialist theory is still relevant 150+ years after it started
Good example:
Renegades Of Funk
https://tidal.com/browse/track/23682737?uThat one’s a cover actually! It’s even older :P
The original is very different than that RATM version (as expected), but very good as well.
I didn’t know they were so WoKe!!
Because things have gotten worse in the intervening 30 years?
Drove all the way to NYC to see them with Run the Jewels after the pandemic. 100% worth it, one of the best shows I’ve ever been to.
Tim Commorford is weird to watch though. He kinda hops awkwardly from foot to foot.
It’s so disappointing to hear Killer Mike spit revolutionary lyrics like in ‘close your eyes’ only to find out IRL he’s into lame shit like black capitalism.
Yeah. The music still slaps though.
RATM’s bassist is into some weird fringe right-libertarian stuff too if I recall
Nobody’s perfect 🤷♂️
or they changed. 30 years is a long time.
their debut was released
- 3 years after the fall of Berlin wall
- a year after the dissolution of USSR
- 9 years before the September 11 attacks
- 15 years before iPhone
- 24 years before the election of a reality tv entertainer/real estate conman as POTUS
- China wasn’t a superpower back then
- EU didn’t exist in its current form
- Apartheid was still an actuality
- internet wasn’t omnipresent
How was China not a superpower then?
They were easily a superpower since before they were backing Vietnam and Korea in our shitty wars with them.
China’s GDP was lower than Canada’s. Economic strength is not the only factor of a superpower, but it’s significant. It’s hard to project power effectively without sufficient wealth to fund those efforts.
Fair enough. How many resources did the US waste in Vietnam and Korea fighting someone who was not a so called superpower?
Quite a lot. The US did the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan too. Who cares about who the enemy is or how many people die if they military industrial complex is making bank?
A country doesn’t need to be a superpower to project some power, but very few rise to the level of global hegemony. I think China is probably in the superpower tier today. The belt and road initiative is classic economic hegemony shit.
In 1944, during World War II, the term was first applied to the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and the United States. During the Cold War, the British Empire dissolved, leaving the United States and the Soviet Union to dominate world affairs. At the end of the Cold War and the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, the United States became the world’s sole superpower, a position sometimes referred to as that of a “hyperpower”. Since the late 2010s and into the 2020s, China has increasingly been described as an emerging superpower or even an established one, as China represents the “biggest geopolitical test of the 21st century” to the United States, as it is “the only country with enough power to jeopardize the current global order”.
Apartheid was still an actuality
So you’re saying nothing’s changed?
Nothing’s changed.
South African Blacks 40 years ago had it no worse than they do today.
anybody from South Africa to reply to this?
or is this about the apartheid in Israel/Palestine?
Killer “pro-cop” Mike?
only to find out IRL he’s into lame shit like black capitalism.
Does it mean something other than what is here, or did I miss something offensive in skimming through the entry?
This isn’t one of those lame “now they are the machine” posts is it?
I saw them in Cleveland on that tour. Zach had hurt his foot so he sat on the monitor speaker the whole time, but the rest of the guys made up for it.
I paid a LOT of money to get good tickets, and it was 10000% worth it. I’d never seen rage live and figured I might not get to again, so spend the money. Also I’m an rtj fan.
I was at the Chicago show where he hurt himself going pretty hard.
Actually got it on video too
After he sat down for the rest of the set he sounded amazing. Great show.
Whoa that’s crazy you caught it.
Props to him for not breaking his flow, a true professional.
But also, Zach you’re not a spring chicken anymore, gotta dial it back some!
Yeah, I think the Madison Square Garden show was one of the last ones they did, Zach was hobbled up good for it.
Super worth it though, I was in the same boat. Show had been rescheduled 3 times but we committed lol
We cannot accurately judge your dedication until you tell us from where you drove to NYC. New Jersey and Anchorage have very different weights here.
Honolulu
I wish they hadn’t canceled the show here in Seattle. Zack broke his arm and since they are old, he wanted to take time to let it heal. I waited three years from the initial scheduled show for it to be canceled.
I preferred them when they weren’t so political.
/S obviously haha. I’m currently cutting a stencil that says “Nazi lives don’t matter” to make some shirts.
lol
30 years later and more relevant than ever… That’s not a good thing. Continue to rage.
Nazi lives matter a little. You can tally them up to keep score.
That still only counts as one!
That’s why you take the ears to help count.
300 nazi scalps
Reply to when someone luigis musk
Save a life, punch a nazi
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killing in the name of
now you do what they told you
By the time drag is old and feeble, drag will be surrounded by loved ones and not want to go out that way. Average happiness goes up with age.<br>
This is how the good die young, isn’t it
They need to release one new song, it would be appropriate. Don’t let the fascists win.
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If you think the fault lies with the democrats, you haven’t been paying attention to the machine they are raging about.
I forgot they ran a flawless campaign, definitely they are raging against Republicans only.
Compared to Trump’s dimentia-ridden campaign, which was probably the worst political campaign in American history? Yeah, the Democrats’ campaign was fucking perfect in comparison to talking about Arnold Palmer’s cock, giving a microphone a blowjob, or saying Haitian migrants are eating cats and dogs.
Yes, both parties are corrupt, and yes, there is no party offering true change in a socialist direction. One party is literally fascist, and is clearly worse. I hate voting for the lesser of two evils, but this was the easiest election decision I’ve made in my entire life.
Not to the people that voted though. They thought Trump was the better candidate.
And they were incorrect, unless they specifically supported him because of stuff like Project 2025, being massively corrupt, promising to give Elon power, bringing more devistation to Gaza, etc.
Also the democrats lost about 6 million votes, and Trump gained about 3 million vs 2020. That’s 3 million prior voters who just decided voting wasn’t worth it in just 4 years. How Trump gained those 3 million votes is beyond me, unless they never directly watched Trump speak in the entire campaign and only watched editorialized content, which is entirely possible, if not likely.
The media this past election cycle has proven to have an extreme conservative bias. The amount of sanewashing that occured with everything Trump said vs the extreme amount of scrutiny for everything Biden and Kamala said was disgusting to see. This includes all corporate media, including corporate-backed online media.
Just FYI your theory on voter numbers is way off. Every election is unique. Some elections more people may vote or not. You can’t compare voter numbers from just 2020 to determine how many more people are now Trump supporters or Democrat supporters.
Zzzzzzzz
Genocide makes you tired?
Yes, it does.
And your shitty Russian bot take on the subject makes me equally sleepy.
Ah I see, you’re one of those people that thinks everyone who says something you don’t agree with is a Russian. Have you talked to your psychiatrist about it? Generally a sign of schizophrenia.
We’re not talking about Palestine currently. Unless you’re purposefully trying to derail the conversation in order to blunt opposition to ORAGNE and his South African chimp.
Incidentally, what do you think of ORAGNE policy on Gaza?
Trump got elected because of dumb pro-genocide corporate Democrats who decided they should send Mark Cuban out to tell everyone how much they love corporate interests & Dick Cheney.
You didn’t answer my question about the current administrations Gaza policy, nor will I waste time trying to discuss the minutiae of your statement.
Either answer my question directly, or the conclusion that can be drawn is that you are an agent of the current administration trying to distract people from actually mounting a useful opposition against the current attempt to kill America as we know it.
If I thought proud-Zionist Biden’s terrible policy on Palestine was indefensible, which Kamala said she couldn’t think of anything she’d do differently while pledging her unconditional support to Israel, on what planet do you think my position is in favor of Trump’s policy? They are both indefensible and if you want to know which is worse, it very likely will end up being Trump, but it hasn’t been realized thus far.
It is clear already, in your mind if someone dares criticize the almighty Democrats then they must support Trump, or be “an agent of the current administration.”
I am curious though, how’d that so-called “useful opposition” that you surmounted work out for you in the last election?
I’m Canadian. Do something about your problem, you’re fucking up my country too.
Pretty sure that is your inbred-monarchy-supporting country.
Fascism never wins permanently.
Hm, guess maybe try telling that to mailed Palestinian kids that have lost most of their family.
Why is it that you folks always seem to think a dead child is a slam-dunk in any argument?
“I like Pepsi better than coke” “tell that to the dead Palestinian children”
“The theory of dark matter has too little evidence to take seriously” “counterpoint: dead child”
“Babe, can you stop talking about dead children every time we get into an argument?” “You’re insulting their memory, you monster!”
Dead children? It is innocent people being massacred. I guess the real question is, why don’t you care?
Why are you shitposting on Lemmy when children are being murdered by the Israeli apartheid regime? Why are you letting them die? Do you hate Palestine?
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no more pronouns I guess
I’m raising awareness while you’re attacking people opposed to genocide.
We get it. We live in a shitty, gerrymandered two party system thanks to FPTP and there is no true anti-war or anti-capitalist party. What’s your point?
Saying “both sides bad” without mentioning one side being much, much worse is just being disingenuous. Not just that, but it attracts people on the worse side, who then will not accept criticism of their own side. Look at Jimmy Dore for a perfect example of this kind of audience capture.
In this example, you have Biden on one side, who was being complacent in a genocide while saying publicly that he wants a ceasefire deal, but not doing what was in his power to actually make it happen, like cutting off arms and funding to Israel. On the other side, you have Trump who wants to nuke Gaza and commit ethnic cleansing himself (I’m sorry, I meant to say “displace Palestinians”) and rebuild it as a paradise in his image without Palestinians.
Let’s just say Netanyahu publicly wanted Trump to win this past election, and there’s a good reason why.
Fuck Nazis
Mary Morello deserves some love as well. Tom has a show on sirius xm. I was introduced to Zeal & Ardor bc of them.
