The fact that people look at Biden and go “Yeah but he sucks!” when you have an opponent literally saying he is attacking American democracy and wants to be a dictator on day one.
A wave of lava lapping at you’re feet and y’all are worried that the raft trying to save you is a lil old. Motherfucker it is your only option.
Yeah trump is old too, but if he dies, nobody cares. If Biden does though, all we have left is Harris to protect us from Johnson.
Cool.
HE IS STILL YOUR ONLY OPTION.
I’m not pretending like I respect anyone anymore who isnt voting for biden. Does it suck that this situation happened? Yep. But it happened from decades of Americans not giving a fuck. You don’t get to whine now when it matters more than anything else.
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The candidate who is currently president after winning the election in which he earned the popular vote? That unpopular candidate?
I’m not denying it and I, for one, am happilly voting for Biden. I’m emphasizing the reason why him being old is scary.
No. You said something that indicates anything other than utter orgasmic delight at the prospect of Biden being the best the party will ever be willing to do. That means you’re a trumpist.
Biden’s presidency has been the best for progressives in 50 years. The outrage about Biden is laughable.
You do know if Biden died a new vice president would then be appointed, right? I could see congress trying to hold that up but I think the Republicans would face an uphill battle, and that’s only presuming they don’t lose their house majority like they did in 2020.
Either we vote for the guy who wants to murder innocent americans or we vote for the guy who wants to murder innocent non-americans like the last twenty presidents.
Absolutely ridiculous to think Trump wouldn’t kill non-americans.
The choice is genocide overseas, or tyranny here and genocide overseas.
It fucking sucks, but the GOP needs to be dismantled before we can bargain for better options.
I’m voting for the geezer in 2024, but let’s be real - Dems will never give us a better option. Biden is genuinely a pretty good president comparatively (imo), but real change will not come from either mainstream party. Don’t forget what they did to Bernie in 2020, or why Buttigieg is the Secretary of Transportation. (They’re the same)
I don’t think trump wouldn’t kill non-americans I just figured it was a given and wouldn’t need to be mentioned.
Your original comment implied that you’re choosing one kind of death or the other, the fact is Trump will cause more suffering and to handwave it to be the same as Biden is dangerous.
Jesus fucking Christ…
Is this to suggest that out of all the options in the DNC, Biden is not just the best one available, but the only person in the DNC capable of winning an election against fucking trump?!?
That is a hella sad implication.
It’s kinda sad as well that after four years at the helm (arguably), the best the dude can go with as a campaign is to just drag out the same lame ass “I’m not trump” he ran on last time… Not that “I’m not trump” isn’t worthy of a vote, it is in my opinion, but shit man, you can’t hold up anything else, after 4 years?
Anyone know who’s going on the libertarian ticket next year?
Just like Hillary was the only person who could beat him in 2016…
I feel like we’re sleepwalking into a dictatorship because of old fucks thinking they know better and that now is their time.
Unfortunately we’re in a position this election cycle where our options are vote for old fuck, or let Nazi old fuck win.
I’m not thrilled about it either but it’s something we can sort out after this election cycle. There’s a much larger and important issue on the table than age and it needs to be dealt with first.This election cycle? This will be the third election cycle where the only thing going for dems is “well you don’t want the other guy, so you???”
4th. Second time, Obama had been governing as a neoliberal rather than the progressive he ran as at first, so Not A Corporate Raider Animal Abusing Religious Fundamentalist Hypocrite was the best reason the Left had to vote for Obama again.
I’m not thrilled about it either but it’s something we can sort out after this election cycle
Said everyone who ever defended the preferred candidate of the DNC to someone with actual ideals and principles every single election cycle for the last 40+ years.
That’s how we got to a situation where a Trump presidency was anything but a throwaway joke from The Simpsons that was supposed to be over the top satire.
Do you seriously think Biden’s age is more important than allowing the US to fall into a Nazi dictatorship?
No. His age is a minor thing. It’s (almost) everything ELSE about him that should preclude him from being the only alternative to fascism.
He’s for sure the lesser evil compared to Trump, by miles, and I hope everyone who can votes for him, but that doesn’t mean that he’s not still an evil.
An extremely ambitious politician from Pennsylvania doesn’t just move to tiny little Delaware for reasons unrelated to it being the most corporation-friendly state in the union and “the Senator from MBNA” is no exception.
STFU. Name another presidency in the last 50 years that has been more progressive than Biden. We’ll fucking wait. SMH.
That of Obama and even that of Clinton, when you adjust for the general public being much less progressive AND much less informed in the 90s than now.
That Biden made a good cabinet appointment or two on the advice of people more progressive than himself and his PR department hailed the infrastructure bill as saving the environment (even though it stipulates a manifold increase in federal fossil fuel leases before any new renewable energy programs are allowed to even BEGIN and privatizes more public infrastructure than it funds) doesn’t mean that Biden, a conservative barely if at all to the left of Joe Manchin, is progressive.
In conclusion, YOU are the one who needs to STFU and stop drinking the neoliberal kool-aid.
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Yes this has big Hillary 2016 vibes.
If Biden is so confident he’s the best suited to beat Trump, why not hold a primary so the voters can back him up? There are some interesting challengers to the left of him with actual populist positions and meaningful intent to follow through on them.
The truth these geriatrics don’t want to hear is that Biden is one of the few Dem candidates who can LOSE to Trump. And he’s dead set on doing so.
Meanwhile this has been the best Democratic presidency in 50 years. Way more progressive policies passed than Obama but I guess none of that matters because he’s old.
I am not sure I agree with best in 50, but I’m open to being wrong. I do know that each time I read a list of his achievements, it’s kind of impressive for someone who gets shit on constantly
Meanwhile this has been the best Democratic presidency in 50 years.
How utterly depressing.
lol. How influenced by the social media algorithms do you have to be to interpret “best” as “utterly depressing”?
Someone blithely asserting that this is the best Democrats are capable of is utterly depressing.
I’m sorry your standard for “best” is “some rando on the internet said it was best!”
Name a better presidency for progressives from a policy perspective in the last 50 years. I’ll wait.
Obama. The ACA, even the version we got after centrist Democrats gutted it with zero help from Republicans, is still a greater accomplishment than Biden’s entire damned presidency.
And touting that as a great accomplishment is almost as pathetic as pretending that Biden has been a good president as far as progressive policy is concerned. If this is all we have to show for the past 50 years, “utterly depressing” is high praise.
Traditionally, Incumbent has higher chances of winning. DNC whole thing is taking “no risks”. I remember how people would say they loved Burnie and still voted for Biden in the primaries. I’m like wtf. DNC slogan should be “not the GOP”. Sad part is risk of Trump is too high for third party middle finger vote. people did that when DNC shafted Bernie the 1st time and we got trump. DNC knows this.
It would be great to do the third party middle finger vote but that just gets the fascist elected. I see people complaining about Biden (even though I think he’s doing a pretty good job, despite the shortcomings) and say they won’t vote for him if he doesn’t do some single issue thing and I just can’t help but think that’s a super special level of privilege. Like really?
I guess it really is super privilege to think third party route or abstaining is taking power back or “sticking to the man”. I think it’s lack of knowing the consequences and ideology thinking anything will change with the DNC. I really hope GOP crashes with soon so we can finally vote third party but I suspect That will never happen.
Ranked choice voting is spreading. That’s our shot at having more viable options.
Hillary Clinton already ran on “I’m not Trump”. So yeah, during an entire decade, the Democrats’ only winning argument is “we’re not literally criminal fascists”.
Democracy involved compromise, unless you just wanted to be defeated in detail in the political arena. You may wish that boomers and their views didn’t exist, but for as long as they do, they are a reality that needs to be faced.
If you just ignore them and push them towards the repub candidates, then it isn’t progressives that win, but republicans. Who can then do away with democracy at some point and secure their position despite dwindling demographics, in classic Realpolitik fashion.
Gramps may not get all the nuances of the modern world, I doubt any 80+ yr old does, regardless of how good their briefings are. But he does understand why moderates are important. And he’s good at diplomacy in general.
Yes the system sucks. This is not news to anyone already past their teenage years. It’s what we got though, and to reform it, you need progressive politicians, which will need moderates in order to win vs entrenched repubs. Reality is a bitch, and it doesn’t treat purity very well.
Democracy involved compromise
When was the last time centrists compromised with anyone to their left? All I see is centrists collaborating with the right.
This right here. The DNC always fights hard against the left and when negotiating with the fascists, they start from a barely acceptable compromise (at best) and give tons of concessions from there.
And then demand praise from progressives for the “compromise” that is capitulation in all but name.
Absolutely. Their (DNC leadership) policy objectives might be a lot better (in theory, if not always in practice) than those of the fascists, but they’re lying corporately owned demagogues most of the time all the same.
Older generations have a role in it but let’s not forget one thing, a whole lot of people much younger than the boomer generation also support the right, the boomers present at the Capitol on January 6th 2021 were the politicians, not the terrorists. The 18-35 y.o. crowd is extremely politically divided, probably more than any of the previous generations currently living.
This is why we have to meet each other, not as public faces talking to audiences, but where people are, where they go to talk about these things when they’re in the mood. As people just like them, maybe even that know how they feel and can still listen. It’s not like their foundational complaints aren’t legitimate.
Places like right here. Or better yet, the structure of the Fediverse as a whole, in a more systemic way. But that’s long term goals, that won’t be ready in time.
We have a real outside enemy now, though. Few of em. They’ve just been pursuing a divide-and-conquer strategy on us, and even began to see results. There’s not a whole lot of counters to that strategy, it’s one of the most tested and effective in all of history. There’s a few though.
Anyone know who’s going on the libertarian ticket next year?
I know it will be an absolute moron
It’s actually just resignation to the fact that people are so uninterested in their children’s futures that they couldn’t be bothered to learn about a new candidate. I don’t think he’s wrong about it, sadly.
I’m going to go so far as to say Trump is the only person Biden can beat (but even that isn’t guaranteed if you look at current polling of likely voters). He is an supremely terrible candidate, like Clinton was, and people choose to ignore that at their own peril.
STFU. Biden’s is the best presidency for progressives in 50 years. Go ahead, name another who has been better for progressives. Shame on you for feeding the Trump narrative.
I mean it definitely couldn’t just be people don’t want massive changes and want a dude in the center keeping most of the status quo.
Do I want to vote for biden? Fuck no.
Am I going to? Absolutely.
We have a 2 party problem in this country but 1 party country run by deranged republicans sounds like shit. Their supreme court has already stolen thousands of dollars from me with their shitty rulings. Not to mention the basic rights they’re continuing to strip from everyone
I just want to know what’s going on in the minds of these schizo liberals and moderates who plan to vote Trump because Biden isn’t left enough for them.
Like, I want a candidate further left than Biden too, but I’m not going to vote for the literal antithesis of a left-leaning American candidate. That just signals to the establishment that Biden wasn’t safe enough and next time they’ll put someone who is even more conservative as the nominee, and the Overton window shifts even further to the right.
Has everyone already forgotten what a shitty 4 years it was under Trump? He’s not an unknown variable anymore, we know exactly how bad a second term is going to be.
I expect some of it is astroturf like the that white republican guy who had a fake black guy alt and spent his time calling democrats racist. I think people underestimate the sheer amount of billionaire money the republican aparatus has and why its still going despite it being widely unpopular.
The other thing is Biden actually has made some good appointments but the corporate media doesn’t like them so they don’t, for instance, want to praise the NLRB appointments.
Can Trump just die already?
Only the good die young
Betty White had a dark past we never talk about.
I would vote for a literal russet potato over Donald Trump.
We got this guy Not Sure.
He’s got a higher IQ than every man alive.
He’s going to fix everything.
Over 300 million people in this country and these two are the best we can do? And I actually like Biden and think he has done a solid job.
It’s by design. We don’t want the disparity in wealth to shrink so we only elect people who exacerbate it.
I dislike JB. I despise Cheeto chimp. Friggin’ politics are infuriating.
Alright, I’ll say it. I like Joe. He’s low maintenance. He got things done (infrastructure). He’s fucking Putin in every which way he can. He’s talking to China. The gave money directly to the people instead of just to the corporations. I think that helped the economy of the general population better than it did than the great recession.
What dumb shit to say that’s going to be used against him.
Tell all the right wing diehards “if you hate Biden so much get Trump to drop out or vote for Haley in the primary”
Jesus, Joe, why say that? You’ll lose a lot of people who are on the fence by admitting your heart’s not really in it.
He may be the best we’ve got, and I’m still voting for him for the same reason he’s running, but Biden has been such a terrible disappointment. He’s wasted the time he’s had.
I agree on the not letting him win part.
Can I ask a stupid question? How is he running? I thought he was impeached, and I thought that meant he couldn’t run again?
He was never convicted in his impeachment trials.
While you are a sitting president, you cannot stand trial until the process of impeachment is complete. Impeachment just means the house of representatives thinks there’s enough evidence to have a full hearing in the Senate. Impeachment is not a trial and thus no official verdict can be made, only the Senate can do that.
There have been a few lawsuits citing that engaging in insurrection means he can’t be put on the ballot but so far all the courts have said that secretaries of state have to put him on the ballot if he wins the primary.
Not quite correct. The house of Representatives votes to send articles of impeachment to the Senate detailing the charges. This starts a trial. After all evidence has been presented the senate votes on whether to convict or acquit the president. The vote requires a supermajority (2/3) in order to convict. Three presidents have been impeached in the history of the USA. None have ever been convicted by the senate.
My concern is… what if Trump runs again when he’s 81? What if he wins? What if an 81 year old Trump is literally running the country?
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How ironic, he’s literally the only guy who can lose to Trump. Get another Democrat candidate.
I can think of a ton of democrats that would fare worse than him in a general election versus Trump. I know lemmy at large (and my own personal politics) don’t align with a more centrist Democrat but with first past the post voting targeting the middle of the electorate is how you win.
targeting the middle of the electorate is how you win.
Oh, is that how Trump won?
Trump won because the middle of the electorate largely hates Hillary Clinton. Coincidentally, she’s one of the Democrats that would do worse than Biden in a general election against Trump
Trump won because the middle of the electorate largely hates Hillary Clinton.
Oh, really? Is that why Democrats been blaming progressives and only progressives for her loss ever since?
The party isn’t going to bad mouth a former First Lady that drives a huge amount of fundraising for them. I don’t like the fact that money is what drives politics but it’s where this country is at. Doesn’t change the fact that Hillary has a very high unfavorability rating, especially in swing states.
Also, you’re allowed to disagree with me without posing it as a leading question.
The party isn’t going to bad mouth a former First Lady that drives a huge amount of fundraising for them.
That doesn’t mean they have to blame progressives, but holy fuck do they love doing so.
Agreed. I think that speaks to how entrenched all this dark money is. I think repealing citizens United and implementing something like single transferable vote instead of first past the post would do a lot to fix American democracy and actually empower people over capital
And he’s also the only one who’s even remotely worth winning. Seeing as how all the good options aren’t even attempting a campaign. And even if they were, the DNC has basically already decided Biden will be the candidate.
P sure ya’ll said the same thing on 2020…
A wet flannel would have beaten Trump in 2020. It turned out a wet flannel did.
Biden’s presidency has been the best in 50 years for progressives. lol.
