• gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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    13 hours ago

    I remember there was a study done on how to best slaughter swine (pigs).

    The methods that were investigated included: a mechanical hit on the head, suffocation in CO2, and some other measures.

    What was found was not only that the suffocation method caused significant stress in the animals, but also that the meat collected this way tasted way worse than meat collected through other slaughtering methods.


    this could be relevant in this case: if fish suffocate slowly to death, meat producers might have a financial incentive to change that, to be able to sell better-quality meat, possibly at a higher price. anyways, it would make for good advertisement. that is why meat-producers (fish-producers) should take this seriously.

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      10 hours ago

      And the reason we still use CO2 slaughter instead of something like Nitrogen is because… They already have machines built for CO2 and just don’t want to pay the cost of changing practices.

      Pure greed and laziness.

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    14 hours ago

    So what you’re saying is that Kurt Cobain was wrong and it’s actually not OK to eat fish because they do, in fact, have feelings?

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    So fishing for sport where they catch and release is basically torture by getting injured by the hook and then asphyxiating for however long they are out of water before being released.

    • LowtierComputer@lemmy.world
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      16 hours ago

      The stats on fish survival after being caught and released is actually pretty sad. If I remember correctly there was a lengthy study that showed a survival rate of only like 40%.

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      15 hours ago

      Suddenly all the cutesy indie life sims with fishing minigames don’t seem so wholesome any more

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      19 hours ago

      This article in particular is talking about when leaving fish in open air or ice water for the purpose of slaughter. Obviously that would hurt until the fish dies.

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        12 hours ago

        So long as you release them after a few minutes, they feel no pain whatsoever. Not even the hook through their mouth or gills.

    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
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      9 hours ago

      Not in this article, or anywhere else is it currently known what a fish feels in relation to how humans feel pain. Including asphyxiation or hooks. We don’t currently have the capabilities to know how a fish interprets that stuff.

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        Well, IMO that’s actually pretty easy to determine. I assume the pain you feel being cut by a hook is simmiliar to pain I feel being cut because we react the same way. Basically every living thing reacts the same way to cuts, yelping, bleeding then flight/fight. Cats, dogs, animals of all sorts go through the same steps when they are cut so it’s a safe assumption their pain is simmiliar. And things that don’t react, such as cutting a techincally alive potato, aren’t really feeling pain. Idk maybe potatoes silently scream, can’t disprove it, but that’s just not the same as creature that flee from threats

        So while we don’t know what a fish thinks about suffocating in air, it’s a reasonable assumption that it’s similar to humans suffocating in water, unpleasant. We both thrash around and do our best to breathe again. Suee, in a philosophical sense it’s immposible to know what other creatures think, even other humans that can verbally communicate, but that ignores some of the more obvious context clues.

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      10 hours ago

      If by “release” you mean “keep alive out of the water until they die in 22 minutes” then yeah, that’s a barbaric way to release D:

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    19 hours ago

    This is why net fishing is so problematic (apart from obvious environmental conserns and bycatch).

    Stun your fish people. Don’t let their blood clot and lungs collapse while still conscious for multiple minutes. It’s cruel.

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      11 hours ago

      You can also spike the brain of the fish. There’s stuff online about Ikejime which is supposed to be a way to quickly kill the fish to improve the quality of the meat. There’s resources online about it.

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    19 hours ago

    How about a new sport… Catch the fish under water and slap him a little, but not too hard?

    Or how about just riding your rubber boat to where the fish are, then dropping a speaker and shouting “fuck you fish!” Threw the speaker? You could even hurt them intellectually!

    • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
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      16 hours ago

      it’s a lot manlier and cooler to stand in the water and grab the fish with your bare hands anyways, then you can look it in the face and tell it to fear god before letting it go

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        13 hours ago

        You could even do a Hakka and watch the fish pee themselves! But a gentle slaps would also be satiafrying.

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    Nice fluff piece, but it’s still complete speculation as to how fish “feel” when out of water or anything else. Currently, science can’t tell if a fish can hurt in the same sense that humans can.

    If they come up with something dirt cheap to kill them faster, I’m all for it. No down side to give a fish the benefit of the doubt. This isn’t something I’m going to worry about, though.

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      5 hours ago

      Broadly scientific consensus is that at least bony fish likely experience pain in all of the same quantifiable ways that humans do. They exhibit avoidance learning, they have a central nervous system, nociceptors, opiod receptors, exhibit reduced avoidance responses to noxious stimuli when given analgesics… Etc.

      The few scientists that have argued over the years that fish likely do not or cannot experience pain have been in the minority in the last 50 years, and each passing year finds decreased evidence for their claims. Dismissing it all as ‘complete speculation’ is… Very inaccurate.

      Worth reading:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_in_fish

      Also - there already is “something dirt cheap to kill them faster” - hardwood fish bat. Lasts forever and instantly stuns, and with a couple of strong well-aimed blows will definitely kill.

    • Doom@ttrpg.network
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      9 hours ago

      I’m sorry but that’s idiotic

      The hell you mean? Of course it senses hurt. Why do you think humans are special cause we say ow?

      What the fuck.