cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/31072292

Summary:

I downvoted pro-AI comments in a post in leftymemes community. It was LLM generated polandball comic (Which is objectively pathetic as fuck) that showed up on my feed, blocked couple of users who I thought were unhinged, and have blocked the whole instance on my client after realizing how rabid these morons are.

I didn’t go looking for AI posts like a vigilante.

One user in question got miffed for being downvoted and banned me from places they moderate.

  • the_q@lemmy.zip
    4·
    1 day ago

    I wonder if the users who champion AI crap ask ChatGPT how to respond to critics?

  • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    62·
    1 day ago

    YDI. I’m sick and tired of you damn .world shitlibs thinking you own the fediverse and everyone has to follow your rules. And when some corner of it doesn’t, you come unhinged and resort to bigotry and harassment.

    You lot are literally some of the absolute worst examples of humanity on Lemmy.

  • kux@lemm.ee
    82·
    2 days ago

    after reading this saw that i was banned too. i don’t mind (never noticed), but was interested to look up the details

    that mushroom comm has 11 posts and two comments. since there’s only 11 posts it’s not too onerous to check the votes on lemvotes.org

    links + counts

    down/up, posts in order of when i looked just now
    https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45950804
    2/3
    https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45784195
    4/2
    https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45774194
    7/7
    https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43543105
    6/9
    https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43536774
    7/9
    https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43509663
    7/9
    https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42804147
    10/8
    https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42750959
    10/10
    https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42746816
    11/7
    https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42545052
    10/8
    https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42534950
    11/10

    total is 85 down / 82 up (167 total votes including default upvote)

    that’s 180 total interactions.

    the modlog:

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog/1406343

    shows approx 20 bans per page for 20 pages

    there’s over double the amount of bans than there are total interactions in the whole comm

    ptb easy

    • andybytes@programming.devEnglish
      21·
      1 day ago

      I never check…I just ramble until it eventually breaks. To some degree I am just trying to see if freedom of speech exsist on Lemmy. I am on a mission. Also curious how the whole banning thing is gonna pan out. It is like you paint yourself into a corner that is a circle jerk. Such is life. Online life is really just projection so I lean in.

  • Widdershins@lemmy.world
    449·
    3 days ago

    I immediately block any community built on slop. I would be elated if they did the work for me.

      • Widdershins@lemmy.world
        97·
        2 days ago

        I have been banned from at least two slop communities for that reply. The moron in charge really got me. I can’t contribute nothing to society now.

        Guess it’s time to hang up my hat, walk up the stairs, say bye to mom and dad, and go outside and touch grass.

    • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
      102·
      2 days ago

      I have also been banned from some stupid communities because of mods who just ban users from everything they mod. Being banned removes the ability to block the community, but doesn’t hide it from All.

        • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
          31·
          2 days ago

          You can, but that only works if they are vanity subs where they are the only poster. Those tend to show up a lot when sorting by scaled even if the only activity is the mod replying to their own post.

          • Widdershins@lemmy.world
            35·
            2 days ago

            I understand but there’s only so many contributing members of the larger multi user communities. They are touching the poop and therefore their opinions about anything else don’t matter to me. I can block all the users I see in communities I now can’t block as a whole. I’d rather just kill the hydra but if I need to I’ll cut each head off myself.

            Not being able to block communities after being banned seems like a poor decision was made during the development of this site.

            • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              2 days ago

              It is just hiding the option in the web layout by replacing all of the buttons with the ban message and could be easily fixed by having the Block button separated.

  • Chozo@fedia.io
    196·
    2 days ago

    Upvotes and downvotes aren’t a “I like/dislike this” button, they’re meant to highlight comments that are contributing positively and constructively to the discussion, showcase insightful comments, or to filter out irrelevant content.

    YDI for misusing the buttons.

  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
    3112·
    3 days ago

    Eh I think this post is just attempting to keep the drama going now that the original died down.

    Stick to judgement about the bans, don’t start rehashing and slap fights about genai here.

  • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
    239·
    3 days ago

    Seems fair enough to me. Why would a mod of a genAI community want people with a history of being anti-genAI in their community causing problems? And why would you even want to go visit that community in the first place, unless you wanted to cause problems. Imo this is a win-win situation. YDI.

    • Unsung Rooster@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityOP
      810·
      3 days ago

      You think it’s good for mods to ban anyone and everyone who downvotes to create an echo chamber where only those who fully support them are left?

            • Unsung Rooster@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityOP
              1111·
              3 days ago

              Downvoting posts because you specifically dislike them isn’t disruptive. I never went and downvoted the whole community, and no one else did. This grand conspiracy of brigading is just that, a conspiracy. People just hate AI slop. Deal with it.

              • Zetta@mander.xyz
                3·
                1 day ago

                If you pay attention to most normal people, they actually are infatuated with gen AI slop and it’s sort of cringe, I work at a large company and half of the people’s profile pictures on our communication application are gpt ghibleified images of themselves. Hating image generation is fairly common in these online circles, but overall the average population seems to like it.

                Personally I would never refer to image generation as art, but image generation in itself is honestly a super cool and fascinating technology.

          • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
            159·
            3 days ago

            I think different communities can be run in different ways. And yes in some comms you’ll be banned for “voting your opinion”

            • Unsung Rooster@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityOP
              118·
              3 days ago

              It’s still PTB, you always think about whether or not you could but you don’t think about whether you should.

  • A Wild Mimic appears!@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    2010·
    2 days ago

    The entitlement is running strong in those anti-GenAI evangelists, thinking they can just wander into someones home turf and behave like shit, and then complain if there are consequences. YDI

    • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      1111·
      2 days ago

      To be fair, the typical defenses of that technology are the most maddeningly empty headed shit I’ve ever read, including conversations with real life fascists and work with people deep into senility.

      Listening to enough of them has genuinely given me a substantial vein of anti human ‘most of this is just unrefrigerated meat, there is no spark of intellect, no consviousness, no beauty to be found here’ type thought.

      I wouldn’t go into ‘/stable diffusion fruit’ to throw a fit about it, but my first instinct when someone says that tech is good is just straight up assuming, whether its on silicon or meat; the thing im talking to is not a person in any way that matters to me.

      Im occasionally wrong, and have to adjust course, but it has become an unsettling oft confirmed default which i very much resent.

      I just really want to emphasize here:

      this technology is often defended with a stupidity so profound and so stubborn that it has broken the last shreds of my love for humanity, a love for humanity that survived being thrown away onto the street like trash as a child, no small amount of rape abuse life unhoused and tending to those who had suffered so much worse than I. In its place that stupidity has awakened a creeping suspicion that there never was such a thing as ‘humanity’, and I’m utterly alone in a howling void.

      • A Wild Mimic appears!@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        113·
        2 days ago

        I might be able to give you another perspective.

        This technology is the first time that humankind has ever been able to create an interactive snapshot of human culture. Everything thats been written, scanned, drawn has made their mark on those models, and it gives you glimpses in what else there might be in the human cultural space. It’s not intelligence, but it’s distilled human culture.

        I am very critical about the fact that this technology is mainly in the hands of corporations that want to use it as a cost cutting tool. I am also not a fan that GenAI is pushed into everything just to get sweet investor money. I am far less alarmed about the productivity increases themselves, or about copyrights which are normally only wielded as a weapon by the rich.

        The power consumption argument doesn’t even apply here - the generation of those images does not cost more energy than playing a computer game for 2 minutes, is often done on consumer grade hardware (like the one running here now while i type this), and the training of the models is not necessarily very power hungry if done smart (deepseek used a fraction of the power that GPT4o needed). Also, with the massive expansion of solar power generation (we’re at the point where the price starts becoming negative at peak solar output) the power itself starts becoming a non-factor.

        Copyrights themselves are a clusterfuck, which is an statement that many artists would agree with. I personally wish for the following (copied from the vote-thread regarding the rule we’re discussing):

        I would make a case for creation of datasets by a international institution like the UNESCO. The used data would be representative for world culture, and creation of the datasets would have to be sponsored by whoever wants to create models out of it, so that licencing fees can be paid to creators. If you wanted to make your mark on global culture, you would have an incentive to offer training data to UNESCO.

        I hope i could give you a bit hope in humanity back - there are still idealistic people out there.

        • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          78·
          2 days ago

          Again, its not even the technology, its the typical advocate of it. Its the fuckers who defend it as everything it’s not, against all evidence.

          I’m aware it can be a neat little toy. It even has niche uses in a lab. Not worth the perfect sociological attack vector it seems to be. Trying to convince that it’s not your friend, doesn’t love you, and isn’t making art, and the kind of pushback i get from that, is the real black pill here.

          • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
            72·
            2 days ago

            Maybe don’t assume all people who support or are interested in a certain thing are the exact same people would be a nice start.

            I often wonder about antiAI opinions such as “it isn’t making art” what differentiates art to you? When it genuinely does create things that are not already in existence, how do you square that circle?

            When people say LLMs are just fancy autocomplete, and I ask it to check an entire nodered flow for logic issues and it points out valid and interesting things I overlooked when designing it, how exactly do you determine that’s autocomplete? Because I’ve used autocomplete or intellisense or whatever and this is leaps and bounds beyond those capabilities.

                • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  26·
                  2 days ago

                  I told you how arguing about this with enthusiasts who don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about has effected me, and you’re still trying to tell me how your cool toy is actually magic tho.

                  You’re "not all men"ing me about my problem with people who “not all men” about their fucking favorite toy. Not even the first in this thread to do it.

                  That’s like three layers of the oblivious piece of shit version of, like, reverse FLN recursion; a kind of active anti-consciousness.

  • blackjam_alex@lemmy.world
    164·
    3 days ago

    I downvoted an AI post once and a mod banned me from multiple AI subs for being involved in “Vote manipulation”.

    • Unsung Rooster@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityOP
      117·
      3 days ago

      So was I, and I wasn’t even aware of it until I saw the original post in !fuck_ai@lemmy.world and decided to check myself. That idiot banned me too. They ban everyone who downvotes their posts and I don’t even remember what I downvoted or if I just made a comment about AI. Those mods are unhinged.

  • Mystic Mushroom [Ze/Zir]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    2016·
    3 days ago

    I banned you and I banned that dipshit who posted on Fuck_AI and I have no regrets. You are awful people and your behavior is harmful to this community. YDM. If lemmy.dbzer0.com wasn’t as lenient as it is you’d have instance bans from here as well.

    • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      196·
      3 days ago

      Gotta love how now db0 is under the ire of .world because have our own rules and way of doing things.

      Also that one weird alt account claiming to be you and oddly talking about pigs is fucking weird.

      • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
        155·
        3 days ago

        What, you don’t love people bitching that they can’t walk into special interest communities and break their rules?

        I bet you don’t like dummies in the comments trying to get the instances to defederate either, and that’s ableism or something.

    • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
      76·
      2 days ago

      Can you unban me from your AI slop communities and apparently Europe ?? so I can Block the communities so they don’t show up in the All feed? Apparently that option goes away with a Ban so I still have to see your slop and a community I can no longer participate in.

      I promise not to ‘systemically downvote’ those communities first, whatever the fuck that means.

  • Ricky Rigatoni@retrolemmy.com
    63·
    2 days ago

    PTB. If OOP went to that sub and started mass downvoting it would be one thing, but it looks like they were banned for actions on a completely different sub? That’s pretty unhinged, broski.

    Judgement redacted due to special circumstances.