I’m just really wondering… To the trump voters in the US, is this what you wanted? Do you really think and feel that things have improved? Do you really think the world is a better, safer, place now than it was 10 years ago?
It’s like, we had issues for sure, but they were manageable. We had climate change at a critical level but we could still stave off the worst of it and now we’re speed running to something worse than the worst predictions that were made. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if earth is like Venus not 200 years from now due to some runaway effect.
I mean, we had a nice run but fuck you, you really really ruined the world for everyone including yourself. I sincerely hope you’re happy because then at least someone will before were all dead.
Fuck you.
Kind of feels like there’s two kinds of people out there right now in the US. Once you think we’re fucked, and the ones who think they have enough generational wealth that “their” kids won’t be fucked.
There’s probably a sizeable third pool out there that are just watching propaganda and going everything is fine everybody’s overreacting or I don’t care it doesn’t affect me. I think even that pool’s shrinking a bit.
There’s also people who are absolutely going to get fucked but are still living in a comfortable dream-world where they think someone is going to come make everything normal again.
Some of us know its fucked and are just trying to get by.
There are whole swathes of us who are still foolishly optimistic enough to think we can pull ourselves out of this nose dive too.
I fear we’re into parachute territory, we’ll need to rebuild the plane from parts after we touch down.
Please don’t let it be a Lost sequel…Please…
optimistic enough to think we can pull ourselves out of this nose dive
To be precise, they think someone else is going to pull us out of the nose-dive, and that because we’ve had a lifetime of comforts and status-quo, there’s no chance of bad things happening to them personally… that’s just stuff that happens on TV, right???
That’s nonsense.
Good things will be happening all the time!
Just not to you.
Am 39 and feel this
… and I can see how I contributed to things going to shit, too. And I did a lot of good things, too.
Hell, I’m 46 and it’s really hard to not be cynical these days. I want to believe there’s still good people out there but I run into so many assholes.
I’m also 40 something. Oh for the dizzy optimism of the 90s…
I will forever seethe that I missed out on the 1990s, especially considering how IT was a money printer back then & the rave scene was top notch. I just about caught the tail end of the old internet as well, even that has gone to complete corporate dogshit.
And owning a house wasnt a Pipedream : (
I got in on the 90’s dream and had a house with a handshake and a smile, lost it eventually because of family medical problems. Probably will never own a home again.
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Ah the rave scene really was amazing. Have you seen the tiktok videos? The music and feeling will stay with me forever
Don’t use tiktok lol, I’ve seen a few old clips passed around on forums and stuff uploaded to youtube though, shit looked great. Meanwhile the smallest rave gets shut down pretty quickly by the police these days : ( also pretty envious of pints being far more affordable back then, I barely even go to spoons as a student as it just costs way too fuckin much. I guess one upside of the modern day though is party drugs being cheap, pure and plentiful but that can obviously also have significant drawbacks.
I joined and deleted tiktok just to download the videos! I’m properly old now I swear everything was just better back then
Thats the way to use it lol, and I hear that a lot : ( most annoying this is we should be able to have a world where no one wants for anything anymore but alas no line must perpetually go up.
Uhh, ok hmm…so I learned in life if everyone you see is an asshole, you’re the asshole.
Think about it this way: there are countless good people in your life but as a society we get taught to get fixated on the worst to complain about. Maybe it’s more entertaining. Maybe we sync to it cuz maybe we have similar features in ourselves we don’t like … which ever the reason it’s personal why we do this. But in doing so It’s easy to discount the good people by ignoring them and what they do. We notice every mistake and bad person out there.
And how do you think that makes good people around you feel?
Well they stop coming around. They get drained from being ignored. They put up boundaries where they don’t want to be around assholes fixated on the negative and don’t spend their time on assholes.
And that’s how we become assholes telling on ourselves by admitting everyone is assholes.
It’s the shoe smells like shit every where you go analogy.
Uhh, ok hmm…so I learned in life if everyone you see is an asshole, you’re the asshole.
I lived by this phrase until I realized that most people are so blitheringly stupid that they are by default “assholes.” I still treat everyone with respect and compassion, but I don’t feel connected or very sympathetic to anyone anymore because now I know the truth and it’s dark and if you don’t see the broad, creeping darkness that is covering everything right now, you’re choosing willful ignorance over community. You can still build community and make things better even accepting that there are lots of terrible assholes out there who will also benefit from your efforts.
Lack of curiosity, willful ignorance, science denial, choosing emotionally-pandering media, tuning out and not caring about anything outside of their immediate stimulation-sphere, creates a whole lot of people who aren’t even thinking themselves better than you, because they’re not thinking. People are training themselves broadly to not think and we’re living in the effects of this decision.
Every time you choose to surround yourself with media and people whom would never argue or disagree with your notions, every time you say “I can’t deal with this” every time you sneer at someone’s personal story, every time you spend an hour scrolling social media, every time you avoid learning new things, you are pushing that “societal asshole meter” higher and higher.
And all of this doesn’t even begin to touch on the very real, very prevalent people who are fucking hateful. Again, you can choose to be blind to other people’s hate if you’re not of the demographic that experiences being hated for arbitrary reasons, but there are plenty of people who are hated and bullied every day by people who are indeed, evil. We can’t be afraid to call a goddamn spade a spade.
And people (like you) who are trying to convince us that spades are not spades, are upholding an unfair and deeply oppressive system because they have either privilege of class, race or ignorance.
I am over 60 and I can plainly see everything it fucked.
I’m quickly catching up to your age and I don’t really understand either why it would be a young people thing either. (not that I’m not still young of course, my white hair are just an affectation)
It’s just a matter of looking around.Welcome to the age of the smartphone, where we’re more informed while being more misinformed and where we’re all connected but can’t actually connect. We’ve hit the point where people can watch something, stare the truth in the eye and say “that’s a lie” or be told an obvious lie that could be disproved in less than a minute and say “that’s so true.”
There’s no easy way out of the hole now either. If the government stepped in, the people spreading lies would simply lie and say the government was misleading people and people would gobble it up, and there’s no way I’d trust anything privately owned to tell me the truth.
Our huge problem here is that we’ve ignored warning signs for so long, that the entire system is broadly fuuuuucked. We always said “well the education system here sucks, I’m sure someone will fix it eventually.”
Then we said “Well the heathcare system here sucks, I’m sure someone will fix it eventually.”
Then we said “The internet is becoming weird, it’s making people think different because of algorithms and outside influence, I hope someone fixes it eventually.”
Then we said “Corporations are consolidating power and making the wealth-gap much wider, we’re losing our entire middle-class and educated people… is someone going to fix this?”
The whole time not wanting to admit what we all know somewhere deep inside, which is nobody is coming.
Agreed, we’ve spent so long waiting it’s all we’re conditioned to do. We believed our elected officials would do what’s in the country’s interest but here we are.
We as a nation need to bury both political parties and get this train back on the tracks because while Dems are far better than maga they’re still corpo bootlickers.
Half a century here, I’ve never had a time in my life where the next year was better than the last
Same age-ish, and I feel the same.
The hard part is trying to figure out what part of that comes from societal collapse, and how much of that comes from just getting older and seeing more and more of how the world works… or doesn’t work.
Despite all we see and hear, objectively the world is better than it’s ever been. We are at a shocking low level of international conflict, starvation, disease, crime, famine, even teen pregnancy has fallen to the lowest rates we’ve ever seen.
But all of these gains have been made by people forming communities of various kinds, of linking up, sharing ideals and compiling resources. This “downturn” we’re feeling is a localized result of a lot of people turning their backs on community.
We are incredibly communal animals, we need social identities to survive. This has been studied. When community abandons you, or when it feels like they have, people broadly stop caring about things and themselves and become selfish, bitter, cynical and hateful. We’re feeling this all around us, and inside us. And I don’t think it’s a natural phenomenon, there are active groups working to cause this, they want to undo all that progress and bypass war and pillaging and destruction and just rot out the world’s wealthiest countries from the inside out.
I don’t know if these objective, global gains will continue for everyone. But I fully believe that the USA at least is in a nose-dive it won’t pull out of. Things are breaking as we speak, in ways we can’t repair.
I’m over 40 and struggling not to conclude life on this planet peaked 30 years ago
The 90s were seriously such a bop.
The Matrix was right.
At this point we can only hope the Matrix is real and they reset this simulation soon because what we’re seeing are the side effects from the uprising outside.
9/11 was suppose to be the reset point, but the simulation kept running for some reason.
If you were a kid in the 90s, sure. Your parents shielded you from all the chaos.
The 90s also had terrorism (IRA, WTC bombing, German and French hijackings, Israeli settler massacre, sarin gas attack in Japan, Oklahoma City bombing, bombings of US service members in Saudi Arabia, PKK suicide bombers in Turkey, Dagestan bombing in Russia (possibly a Putin-orchestrated false flag)). It had the ongoing AIDS epidemic, which was terrifying. It had the first Gulf war. It had the LA riots of 1992. It had the columbine shooting.
It’s much worse today
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You might even call it an Mmmbop.
That was 10 years ago.
Yep. It peaked right around Ronnie Reagan’s sell-out to the wealthy. If folks want a better quality of life they will have to take it back from the rich.
The dream of the 90s is alive in Portland.
Put a bird on it.
Hey, at least you got to enjoy humanity’s peak as a teenager. I was a kid, so I never got the chance to fully appreciate the 90s. My memory of almost anything pre-1993 is incredibly hazy. My strongest childhood memories didn’t take hold until the decade was almost over.
Lucky you. I got at best the earliest of the 2010s…
I’m glad to see folks talking on here. Makes me feel better knowing we’re here all going through it. Gives me that Band of Brothers vibe “We stand alone, together.”
At this point we have to contend with small wins like Die Linke getting almost 10% of the vote in Germany, Elon Musk getting bullied out of politics, and Carney winning in Canada.
Unfortunately Musk didn’t get bullied out of politics, his office was always meant to expire at the beginning of May. He achieved what he set out to do: dismantling federal government completely to make deruglation, tax avoidance and corruption much easier.
This is just him doing the typical right wing martyrdom whining whenever somebody criticises them.
I won’t contend with small wins anymore. I want it all, heaven or hell
PEACE JUSTICE AND ANARCHY
Die Linke (Formel SPD) used to be close to a majority in our parents time.
Idk what you mean by that, the SPD was always centre left, at least since Bismarck times. Sure, they moved to be basically no-opinion-at-all centrism recently, but it is not like they were the shining sunshine of socialism before.
The Die Linke of today is popular for the positions of the SPD of the past.
Maybe you are older than me. In the last ~20 years that I was old enough to understand the news, the SPD was always the center-left party and the Left/PDS the far left (for a non-fringe party) one. Fugging hell, my conservative grandma voted SPD because she dislikes Merz for his AfD bullshit back in January, and she is everything but left-wing.
I am not that old, but the social Democrats of old wanted e.g. a wealth tax and maximum income taxes that are much higher than today’s. I don’t have a long list of examples.
BSW was a mistake maybe
Dutton getting his arse absolutely handed to him in Australia, ditto palmer
Everyone over 40: “Yup, social media has really fucked those kids’ brains up”
I am well over 40 and I agree with OP. Then again, I didn’t give up my empathy at the door to adulthood.
Whereas the reality is that things are so fucked because these idiots get their news from Facebook. The Trump administration admitted to making a mistake deporting Kilmer Garcia - they’ll never find out because they’re too busy sharing OAN articles about that trans women they bullied out of fencing.
Social media was a mistake. User age has nothing to do with it.
I have seen so many 50+ year olds that waste several hours a day doomscrolling Facebook say this unironically.
Judging by the typical Facebookfeed, I’d strongly argue the opposite.
A while ago, I was talking to my mum and offhandedly said that I’d have to move north at some point in my life, due to climate change. For me, that’s just a given, with record hottest summers coming in regularly and current summers already incapacitating me for weeks at a time.
But my mum’s reaction was basically “What’s this about now?”. She’s lived in her childhood town or close-by for basically her whole life. And she’s old enough that she doesn’t have to worry about the aftermath. But yeah, that was still brutal, how different our realities were in that regard.
The Upper Peninsula is starting to look quite nice this time of year…
I remember agreeing with that back in 2021 when it was posted, and now, well…
Well, interestingly, gen z men are the Trumpiest demographic:
https://www.axios.com/2025/04/11/american-gen-z-podcasts-trump-harris
I guess the meme still holds true, but their concerns about the future are very different. TBH I can totally understand them becoming disillusioned with other old politicians following old voters who will just “do nothing at let it all happen.”
This is the saddiest shit ever. Young men being angry at the « Men » will vote for the men that will sold them to the bone mill in a heart beat.
There’s a Turkish proverb : and the forest vote for the axe because they where made of the same wood
What a great proverb. Thank you for that.
I know a surprisingly large amount of MAGA/Trump adjacent fans because of my type of work.
- They’re all single dudes. Maybe divorced. Maybe never went on a date.
- There’s Joe Rogan involved.
- After a few beers, they all will unprompted share their views on Jews, blacks, trans, lesbians, or some other racist shit then back off and pretend it’s just a joke.
- Tell them anything involving empathy “Sorry your dog died” is met with silence or coldness.
- They all don’t give a shit about anybody else besides themselves. And often see themselves as the victim. “Oh Trans person was brutally beaten? Yeah it’s a violent world like one time some guy threatened me gotta stay strapped.”
- They may not like Trump’s antics. But to them, the Democrats aren’t helping THEM. Remember that lack of empathy?
They may not like Trump’s antics. But to them, the Democrats aren’t helping THEM. Remember that lack of empathy?
Thats the main one though. Truth is there are a lot of working class white Americans with no representation. Working class minorities tend to band together to weather the worst of it, and are maybe somewhat represented by candidates who come from minority backgrounds. But the working class whites? All they have is the orange clump and a sea of sick media posts from a deranged billionaire telling them that immigrants are the cause of all their woes.
And from a historical context, its not the least bit suprising. A demographic of young men with dwindling prospects, crumbling social support structures and animosity towards the establishment, if only we had seen this before…
The government will work for the betterment of ALL, or else you get the fashists again…
I worked in local government for nearly a decade and through covid. A lot of cops and former cops in elected positions. This mostly check out.
I would add they overwhelmingly believed homeless people deserved it and/or were subhuman.
It’s hard to stay empathetic about homeless when you deal with the worst of them on a daily basis. I worked in parks and my team was constantly getting attacked and cleaning up their urine and feces, blood and needles. There were people offering them access to services every week and the worst ones always refuse. Most people who work in parks are kind introverted people who love plants, and want people to enjoy green space . just seeing my team get punched in the face or their arm broken made it really hard to feel any empathy towards homeless. I really had to work at it.
I mean most people don’t have empathy for the opposite political party, imagine trying to empathize with someone who shits on your desk every day.
Some of them are obviously mentally ill, a few are just down on their luck, but also some of them are violent criminals who carry weapons. It was pretty typical to find some that had open warrants for arrest in other states.
Just wanna say I appreciated reading about this perspective.
I was an inspector for a health department and was directly involved with efforts engaging the sanitary conditions of homeless encampments. I coordinated with the parks departments, transportation departments, etc in responses.
The thing is homelessness subjects people to the violent criminals people blame homelessness on.
That said: I am not going to touch the organizational culture that sends its staff out into situations where they’d provoke being attacked. If there is any question of safety concerns I blame the employer, public or private, that subjects field staff to such dangers without necessary precautions. It seems rather backwards to then redirect blame in such a manner.
I totally agree with you-. It’s one of the reasons why I quit - I just couldn’t make things safer or change the attitude of leadership.
I spent a ton of time trying to get the police to help protect my team. Or to get leadership to redirect the police. The police answer was, they didn’t want to enter the parks because it was too dangerous for police because there were plants and trees that made it harder to see danger. Yet They still expected the lowest paid workers to go there and work. I had a day when they basically ignored one of my employees who was getting racist threats as he was picking up trash and accused him of wasting police resources - this was the kindest hardest working 65 year old guy, who wouldn’t have called the police unless he was truly scared for his life.
I basically realized one of my team would have to be killed for anything to really change. Unfortunately it almost happened to another team that handled janitorial services- guy got stabbed. They did start a special team to deal with encampments after that, but there was still no changes in the issues at the parks.
They did start a special team to deal with encampments after that,
This is indicative of why homelessness continues to get worse: action isn’t taken until literal violence: completing the self-fulfilling prophecy
They may not like Trump’s antics. But to them, the Democrats aren’t helping THEM. Remember that lack of empathy?
Unless they make 6 figures that point is true though. Not that Trump is going to help them either. But at least he pretends to care about them, whereas the Democrats outright said that their life reality of rising prices and stagnating wages is fake because the stock market is making new record bubble numbers.
At this point, it’s gotta be in the high six-figures with the decades of unending price gouging.
Depends where you live I guess, but low 6 figs in SF might get you a parking spot so you can live out of your car in peace
Who are the positive role models? Weve got all these young guys watching sniveling cucks like andrew taint
Literally everybody else. They don’t lack role models, they just actively seek out the sociopathic assholes who reminds them the most of themselves.
It’s easy to paint a picture on a blank canvas.
They misattribute monetary policy that bids up home and asset values using cheap debt and facilitates massive bailouts with federal government policy. The CPI doesnt include asset prices so cheap debt can flood into asset prices without slowing down the devaluation of their salary, it also does subjective inflation deductions to goods based on perceived quality changes, and excludes much of the shrinkflation thats happens to goods and service quality.
Something as basic like getting support for a flight is now talking to a chatbot with perpetually larger than expected call volume, you pay extra for seating, you pay extra for baggage; and your seat is so small now you also may as well be standing. Free range chickens used to just be called chicken, and eggs could be eaten uncooked since they werent swimming in ecoli, but according to the CPI you’re significantly better off now; so the nominal value of a boomers house is now worth significantly more due to all this perceived wealth.
See ‘normative alexithymia’
