A legislator with the far-right Alternative for Germany party was arrested on Monday on charges including displaying forbidden totalitarian symbols, with neighbours of his fraternity complaining of often hearing the Nazi "Sieg Heil" victory salute.
Much of this is semantics but if you look at the legal texts Germany doesn’t have free speech (freie Rede) but freedom of opinion (Meinungsfreiheit). There’s a lot of restrictions that don’t exist under usual free speech legislations (insult, incitement, etc), but also protections that don’t exist elsewhere, like true statement of fact being a water-tight defence against accusations of libel.
Try denying the Holocaust in Canada or Germany, versus say the U.S.
I live in Canada and I prefer our regulated form of free speech, but it’s not US free speech.
And if you weren’t so enraged by thinking I’m an american saying that the US is the only land of the free speech, you would have seen that I was making the dudes, and Germany’s point. He’s asking to bring those laws here, but they already exists. Just not in the US
You can be pedantic and argue semantics, we all know what kind of free speech we are talking about here.
Your freedom stops at the exact moment, it limits other people’s freedom. There may be exceptions, e.g. talking shit about someone vs. talking about facts. Freedom isn’t unlimited and shouldn’t be. If you think otherwise, where do we stop? Why is my freedom to randomly murder other people not granted by the state and why do I get in prison for doing it? I have the freedom to do as I please and no-one should stop me!
So you can decide what’s allowed to be said and what’s not? What happens if it does come and all the old people in office flatout ban any mention of gayness and you get thrown in prison for it?
First off, fuck you and your bad faith argument. Second, if I get thrown in jail for supporting gay rights, I’m fine with that, because I know I’m doing the right thing.
There is this little thing called “human rights” that’s at odds with someone doing something like that. Of course, if your legislation only recognises fReEdOm oF sPeEcH, and not so much the Universal Decaration of Human Rights, things like that can happen.
There are laws on what you can say. Its not allowed to insult someone. And its not allowed to insult ethnicities. Basically the same like every other freedom right: it end where the freedom of another person starts. So no, it wouldn’t be possible to ban any mention of gayness.
On the other hand, laws don’t fully protect you from this. The US has a very wide understanding of freedom of speech and at the same time has a ‘don’t say gay’ bill.
Actually, being a Nazi is a political choice and means being intolerant toward minorities. Meanwhile, being gay is not a political choice, it doesn’t harm anyone, and if you were gay you can’t “stop being gay” out of spite.
These differences are fundamental.
… and I’m quoting/ paraphrasing some Antifa thinker whose name I have forgotten. Sorry Internet!
I wish this kind of law could spread to other countries. Especially in North America.
BuT My FrEe SpEeCh???
Yeah, no. This is a threat to free speech. Et shouldn’t tolerate intolerance.
Only Communism gets that treatment, fascism is the M.O.
Both should be banned and punished with beatings honestly.
Cut a liberal…
You mean mostly in the US? Canada does not have free speech, and anything inciting is illegal.
Canada does have free speech. Intolerance isn’t free speech. Fascism isn’t free speech. It’s a threat to free speech.
Canada has free speech, just like Germany, the US or many other countries.
Free speech does not mean you cannot ever be punished for anything you say. There is no country in the world where this would be the case.
Much of this is semantics but if you look at the legal texts Germany doesn’t have free speech (freie Rede) but freedom of opinion (Meinungsfreiheit). There’s a lot of restrictions that don’t exist under usual free speech legislations (insult, incitement, etc), but also protections that don’t exist elsewhere, like true statement of fact being a water-tight defence against accusations of libel.
Try denying the Holocaust in Canada or Germany, versus say the U.S.
I live in Canada and I prefer our regulated form of free speech, but it’s not US free speech.
And if you weren’t so enraged by thinking I’m an american saying that the US is the only land of the free speech, you would have seen that I was making the dudes, and Germany’s point. He’s asking to bring those laws here, but they already exists. Just not in the US
You can be pedantic and argue semantics, we all know what kind of free speech we are talking about here.
Your freedom stops at the exact moment, it limits other people’s freedom. There may be exceptions, e.g. talking shit about someone vs. talking about facts. Freedom isn’t unlimited and shouldn’t be. If you think otherwise, where do we stop? Why is my freedom to randomly murder other people not granted by the state and why do I get in prison for doing it? I have the freedom to do as I please and no-one should stop me!
You’re being dumb. I didn’t invent the US’ definition of free speech. Go argue with them.
And you’re onto freedom of murder there, I think you’re a little lost.
In the US you can’t say certain things about your president. There is no complete and absolute free speech anywhere.
So you can decide what’s allowed to be said and what’s not? What happens if it does come and all the old people in office flatout ban any mention of gayness and you get thrown in prison for it?
First off, fuck you and your bad faith argument. Second, if I get thrown in jail for supporting gay rights, I’m fine with that, because I know I’m doing the right thing.
Yes and tyrants and terrorists believe the same thing
Not everyone, who uses terrorism is evil
There is this little thing called “human rights” that’s at odds with someone doing something like that. Of course, if your legislation only recognises fReEdOm oF sPeEcH, and not so much the Universal Decaration of Human Rights, things like that can happen.
If the laws about free speech were completely different, they’d be bad. OK, now what?
There are laws on what you can say. Its not allowed to insult someone. And its not allowed to insult ethnicities. Basically the same like every other freedom right: it end where the freedom of another person starts. So no, it wouldn’t be possible to ban any mention of gayness.
On the other hand, laws don’t fully protect you from this. The US has a very wide understanding of freedom of speech and at the same time has a ‘don’t say gay’ bill.
Wouldn’t that mean that intolerance has won and there is no more free speech?
I don’t understand your argument.
Actually, being a Nazi is a political choice and means being intolerant toward minorities. Meanwhile, being gay is not a political choice, it doesn’t harm anyone, and if you were gay you can’t “stop being gay” out of spite.
These differences are fundamental.
… and I’m quoting/ paraphrasing some Antifa thinker whose name I have forgotten. Sorry Internet!
I saw this is euroloser sub. Goodbye I only am interested in America
And a shining example of why the US is not taken seriously anymore.