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I’ll never understand why people put Steve Jobs on a pedestal. He might have been a very astute businessman , but by all accounts he was a horrible human being and a colossal prick.
He used to eat only fruit and smelled like shit, he’s my hero for that one
Say what you want about Steve Jobs, he’s the guy who killed Steve Jobs
Oh that’s so hilariously dark.
I think I’ve heard that as a Hitler joke. Say what you want about Hitler, at least he killed Hitler.
That’s more fitting. It’s a miss on Steve Jobs though. For one he didn’t kill himself, cancer did. And for another, just because he could be a prick doesn’t make him a bad person worth killing.
He had a very treatable cancer that was found in the early stages and was given an excellent prognosis, but in his infinite megalomaniac manner he decided he knew better than the doctors and opted to treat his cancer at home with homeopathic remedies. His home made new age “cures” clearly didn’t work and by the time he finally decided to get proper treatment his cancer had metastasized and he was beyond help… sounds to me like he played a large hand in his own demise so the joke plays.
Yeah I get what you’re saying. It’s still something entirely different to bomb yourself to death vs. to not do enough to stop a disease. And even with all the haters in here, I don’t think any reasonable person would want Steve Jobs dead, it’s not like he murdered people.
Getting a treatable cancer and then choosing to do nothing about it other than eat fruit and refuse proper medical care is tantamount to killing yourself IMO.
Cancer did. And just because he could be a prick doesn’t mean he deserved to die so soon.
Iono, the kind of prick he was (narcissist who traumatized his own daughter and headed a company which needed suicide nets for the workers who made their product), paired with the fact that he signed his own death from his own deliberate delusions makes me conclude he did deserve to die, in more than one sense of the word ‘deserve’.
He went down the homeopathic route cause science bad
He helped.
He also washed his feet in toilets. I’m not joking.
People liked Bill Gates so … IDK.
what is personally wrong with gates?
He’s really awful too, or at the very least he used to be.
He’s done a lot of rebranding himself as being a great guy as of late, and put his money towards some great causes.
But when he was in charge of Microsoft he’d openly treat people like shit, openly steal things, openly do anticompetitive and illegal business practices, deliberately put small companies out of business, and openly bribe politicians to look the other way as he built his illegally-gained business empire.
All the recent stuff is him trying to whitewash his image so he isn’t remembered as the bastard he is. Unfortunately, it’s working.
At least he some good causes are getting something out of it
If you accept his research money (which people don’t seem to do anymore) there are so many strings attached that if you find something you’ll probably be liable even if you give it all up for free.
I’m still waiting for something good coming out of his pocket money spendings for good causes.
I’m still waiting for something good coming out of his pocket money spendings for good causes.
The eradication of polio isn’t good enough for you?
- He’s a billionaire.
- Cheated on his wife.
- Travelled to Epstein’s Island.
- Got removed from Microsoft for propositioning female employees for sex
- Used Microsoft’s market position to kill off any competition. Remember Netscape?
- His foundation pushed hard to make the COVID vaccines intellectual property of drug manufacturers so they would get richer, leaving the world dependent on them for doses instead of allowing everyone to produce it.
He’s a giant asshole too (I mean when you look at Microsoft it’s not very positive) but he’s worked a lot on his image in the last decades
He have really taken an adolf nobel turn.
Bill Gates does some genuinely great things for humanity.
With money he got from a monopoly, meaning the money he took plus the deadweight loss are even worse for humanity. Computers would be even better today if it wasn’t for him, and we would’ve produced better things than we have today.
Monopolists “giving back” is insidious because it’s much easier to see what they gave us than what they took away.
The standardization of operating systems was an important step though. If there were hundreds of different OS’s on the market, then the PC generation would have stalled. The fact that there were basically only three dominant platforms meant that we could have market stability.
Where have you heard that a monopoly can be more beneficial than harmful because of standardization? Has that happened with any other monopolies?
It’s common sense. If you have hundreds of operating systems, then it becomes a pain to get the right software. First, developers are discouraged because they don’t know what platform will be best to develop on and users will be discouraged because they might need to install twenty different OS partitions in order to run the software they want to run.
No offense but no it is not common sense. The economics of monopolies have been studied for centuries, including any benefit from standardization (like with Standard Oil). It creates a costly deadweight loss.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly#Monopoly_and_efficiency
For what it’s worth I was there, and the handful of OSes in the 1980s (not 20) weren’t as problematic as the monopoly later. It seems like common sense to me that today’s multiple browsers are better than IE standardization was.
From what I’ve read he definitely had a strong personality and I don’t think anyone sees him as flawless. But that made for some very funny moments. And he definitely was the person that Apple needed at that time.
Strong is one way to wash over his narcissism, delusions, and the abuse he doled out. And you’re wrong, there’s plenty of people who take the washing-over to a degree where they think he was a genius above reproach. Yeah, let’s focus on the funny moments and brush all that abuse and whatnot under the rug, that’s better. I’m so glad a company got to profit from a sociopath’s leadership in the end, gives me the fuzzies. Could you imagine giving up iphones and iOS for some alternative imaginary version of those products? Oh my.
I had a former boss who idolized him. Which was… concerning as his employee.
Steve Jobs was the Elon Musk of his time, he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was.
Steve Jobs did at least actually do things. Musk just buys things and claims he did them.
Nah Jobs didn’t do anything himself. From Wozniaks first computer up to the multitouch display for the iPhone, all of these things were just bought/stolen/copied. Jobs just knew how to put these technologies into something that would sell.
So elon but a good businessman
Salesman
without the good, or the (hu)man(ity)
Just like how Elon did not design his rockets, SpaceX engineers did, Steve did not design the iPhone, Apple engineers did.
Also everyone seems to conveniently forget about the factory workers actually building them.
He was a visionary who was able to see the applicability of new technology, and was able to force his will for better than the standard upon people who would otherwise have thought the improvements impossible. The guy was a fucking jerk, that’s true, but he also completely changed the world with his vision. To say he was nothing more than a Musk, or a thief, is to be disingenuous.
but he also completely changed the world with his vision
Which is a fucking shame, because his vision sucked for the most part. “Less power to the consumers, let them grovel for our products; You can only use our products the way we demand you to; Fuck repairability, buy new; Fuck keyboards”
What things did he do?
He invented the rounded rectangle, all hail
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This sells Musk short. He is making smart entrepreneurial decisions for the most part. I hate the monkey testing controversy though.
Woah; that’s just so wildly inaccurate; I have no idea what to even say.
Are you really saying Jobs was a transphobic right-wing extremist whose father got super rich and helped him to just buy into uprising companies without really doing anything by himself?He did father a child he denied to the day he died, intentionally screwed Woz out of his fair share of the apple fortune, killed himself by treating cancer with quackery. Jobs is probably more self made, but that’s about it.
He did not deny her until the day he died. She even lived with him during highschool, and he named a computer after her, even though he made up a bogus acronym to pretend that wasn’t his motivation.
Woz was worth $500m at one point and is worth $100m today. It’s not like he was cut out of the game, he just wasn’t interested in money or success the way Jobs was. Without Jobs drive for success, Woz would never have shared his inventions with anyone, it was just a private hobby to him.
Steve was definitely an asshole, but there are plenty of valid criticisms to levy at him, you don’t need to misrepresent anything.
’s not like he was cut out of the game, he just wasn’t interested in money or success the way Jobs was.
You really buy that? That’s some bullshit someone says when they got fucked over and know they’ll lose and come out worse if they try to get what’s rightfully theirs.
Woz himself has said as much. The guy has more money than he’ll ever be able to spend. He’s fine.
Woz himself has said as much.
That’s why I said:
That’s some bullshit someone says when…
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t give a shit about the contentedness of any of these treasure hoarding shitdragons, but there never has been and never will be a person who is fine with getting ass fucked out of hundreds of millions of dollars. Even Muskrat is throwing an endless tantrum and fucking up people’s lives over a bad deal, even though he did it to himself on purpose.
That’s true, he was not nearly as bad as Musk. I was mainly talking about how he’s a general asshole who steals from others and is revered by techbros. I was maybe being a bit hyperbolic in my comparison.
he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was
Oh he died soon enough.
iOS user: “DUDE have you seen [new iOS feature]? This is the bee’s knees!” [10 minutes of gushing omitted for brevity]
Android user: “…Yeah, we’ve had that for 15 years.”Even the iPhone itself was just a more advanced version of a PDA or other handheld PC device that existed years before it. Logically, phones would have advanced similarly with or without Apple.
To be fair, Apple had a PDA, the Newton, back in 1993… Not that it was the 1st again…
I had one called the iPaq.
Apple has since then made it illegal to trademark products starting with “i”. Irony.
iRony.
It wasn’t an entirely new concept but it completely redefined what it could be. Look up what Android looked like until the iPhone was demoed.
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Or when two mouse buttons would be too confusing to users?
edit: fixed typo
Apple always had only one button, right up until it had zero.
Wait what does that mean, how else do u do it and what device was it?
Floating apps. And split screen. I was playing Pokemon Go with reddit open in the corner in 2017 and it was old then. I dunno when iOS got it, but it’s recentish.
Copy muthafuckin paste. That was a laugh, listening to explanations of why you didn’t need it, until they “invented” that too.
Neither floating apps nor split screen were ever released for iOS. Split screen was added a while ago for iPadOS, but floating apps (Stage Manager) was released just last year.
This happens the other way too FWIW
Fun fact: Android is older.
Technically correct, but it was originally aimed at Blackberry. https://www.pcworld.com/article/464050/original_android_prototype_revealed_during_google_oracle_trial.html
Apple pioneered a moderately useful mobile browser and fully touch screen UI (except for the home button).
They’ve been copying each other ever since, to the point where I watch the WWDC keynote thinking “they didn’t already have THAT!?” most of the time.
More like Apple copies an android feature that is more than a decade old then claims it as some kind of innovation.
slaps a buzzword on it and makes a trillion. Can’t believe some iphone users consider widgets modetn
My old boss would always buy the new IPhone the day it came out and brag about features and a lot of the times I would be scratching my head being like how is that different then what I have on my 4 year old android Galaxy 6??
Now they do, but the iPhone was revolutionary when it was released. Apple literally changed the world with their invention.
Something something Xerox
Found the commenter who is old enough to retire
I think every nerdy person knows about it though. Gates and Jobs have a pretty famous exchange over it.
Retirement? In this economy?
Fucking wish I could retire
Y’all need to watch pirates of Silicon Valley
It’s like the Halloween 3 of the Pirates franchise: pretty good but quite a departure for the series. Notably, neither Captain Sparrow nor Captain Stagnetti make an appearance at all - amongst many other differences.
Amazing review, and shockingly accurate. Well done.
He meant “photostat” though.
Eli5 about it? Please?
I think this captures the highlights of the issue.
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-answers-reddit-question-about-copying-steve-jobs-2017-3
Haha, I like this part:
[…] Gates responded: “Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”
I half expected you to just say “Google it”
Thanks man I appreciate it
He died, all right. Never letting go of his bullshit, whether it was alternative medicine or whatever.
He’s been raised to divinity almost. Even now, not a month goes by when some major outlet would write a story on what a genius he was, same goes for hackernews.
Odd that had he lived, you’d be seeing him on Joe Rogan or posting some antivax bs.
Holy shit! Imagine if he was alive during fucking COVID, I can totally see what you said lmao
Here are the stats nowadays. Just to make Steve Jobs roll in his grave, once again! 😂
Those are weird stats lumping in phone OSes with desktop/notebook OSes.
while excluding other types of computer like embedded devices, servers and whatnot
If you include servers and embedded devices Linux is gonna go brrrr
And if you count Android and ChromeOS as android, which I guess they are (though bastardised somewhat), it’s an absolute bloodbath.
I think you meant “if you count Android and ChromeOS as Linux”
Since we are doing a big mix of everything why not throw there Minix that resides on all Intel chips?
There’s also the fact that there’s no source for the chart. Why is there an unknown category there? Why is it different from other in this context?
I’d guess unknown means whatever was used to record this information couldn’t determine the os (so it’s probably linux lol), whereas the other category is probably BSD and the like.
Just a guess though, I have no idea
I think hed be pretty happy with that! That 13% may be less, but its all from 1 manufacturer or brand. They dont need to share a piece of the pie!
Android4Life! But come on, give up that graph that combines mobile + desktop operating systems! They are totally, completely different and should be kept separate. But only based on who buys them, who uses them, who supports them, customer vs corporate customers, etc…
Did he forget about windows mobile pda phones that predated the iPhone? I had one of these before the iPhone was a thing: https://m.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_iis-933.php
He was just Salty 🧂.
iPhone undeniably brought the technology forward by years, even if only in terms of software. I don’t even like iOS, but it seems disingenuous to compare iPhone to those, or the Samsung tablets, or anything that came before it.
Here in the UK it took over 3 years, after the initial release of the iPhone, for it to even support MMS messaging. Most people around me had Blackberries until Apple actually gave reason for them to consider switching, which took years. It was largely considered to be like the iPods before it: focused on the fashion/‘cool’ aspect of it.
I would not say they brought technology forward, and I’d go as far as to say the strive to bring forward functionalities of the iPhones improved after Jobs (I understand this is a hot take and may result in downvotes, just my opinion based on local experience).
While apple did improve the design, they mostly made it “cool”. Before that they were “nerd” phones. The Motorola V3 was a “cooler “phone at the time until the iPhone came out.
I’m with you, but it seems like this post got taken over by passionate haters
Lol haters. Can’t really blame ppl for saying fanboy if talk like that. You post a hateful quote and ppl are nuance it. Doesn’t seem that bad.
Why does this asshole live rent free in all your heads? I never hear Apple fanboys bitch about that creep Andy Rubin.
Because his company was (and continues to be) a powerful force acting against consumer rights.
He was also a self absorbed asshole that’s still idolized for some reason.
Your first question is fair, but Apple fans don’t know who that is.
Almost nobody knows who that is!
Man all this money in the bank and still ranting like a loser. Mfer his company steals all product ideas from other companies right from VR headsets to features from Android and then he says this. Innovate harder bitch 🤣🤣
What are you talking about? He’s dead.
I know. Sorry English is not my first language but i meant everything i said.
At least normal billionaires pretend to be fans of free markets where competition keeps prices in check. Steve Jobs was just honest enough to admit he’s a piece of shit
He says great artist steal then says he wants to destroy android for stealing? Like he did anything but hype shit up on stage
He hates artists
It’s a good example of how people’s morals vary greatly based on their present situation, rather than being some kind of deeply held, unchanging foundation. What people believe is good and bad is largely a function of where they happen to be at the moment.
Yeah Android might have copied IOS. But why not. Android would have been developed any way sooner or later. It is based on Linux. And that is open sourced.
It only took a year for Android to be released after iOS. How long has it taken China to come up with a competing operating system? I’m pretty sure Google was working somewhat in parallel to Apple.
The first iPhone was released in 2007. Android development started in 2003, with the first pitches to phone manufacturers in 2005. So yeah, Android wasn’t merely a copy of iPhone.
The timeline is technically correct but misleading, and please google what Android looked like prior to the iPhone announcement. While you’re there, might also want to check out the technical differences like iPhone prioritizing things like animation and user interaction. Wouldn’t also hurt to check out the first, say, 1-4 Android devices compared to literally just the first iPhone and tell us which one our phones look like today. Also, do we think that Apple was just like “here’s a new OS we made over winter break?” They announced in '06. Android was developed probably at a similar time, bought by Google, and then had to pivot hard after iPhone announcement, and harder still after hardware actually got into customer hands.
In many way iOS had copied android and sometimes they did it late (multitasking, …)
If I remember correctly, android was already under development, but huge changes were made after the iPhone came out.
Android was close to being released, but it was going to be much more like a BlackBerry, with a keyboard focus. They delayed the release to retool it somewhat with more of a touch focus.
“somewhat” is doing a lot of work here. I mean, they didn’t re-write the kernel, but you can google example of the UI pre and post iPhone announcement.
Just about every invention is obvious in hindsight. Take a look at what Android looked like pre-iPhone announcement and then post.
Maybe he should have said “The best artist is the one with the best lawyer.”
Apple, with the iphone, did pioneering capacitive touch screen and biometric. Android brought smartphone to the mass and trigger the stupid camera war.
Apple-Fanboii-Checklist:
- Trace everything back to the original iPhone
- Be sure to mention Apple’s Marketing buzzwords like “biometry” or “live photo”
- Offhandedly treat “Android” as “product for the common masses” with a hint of snobbery
- Treat “The Android” as a monolithic entity instead of a licensed OS that has nothing to do with the devices it runs on per se
- Call anything that was a marketing focus for Android-Using-Companies but not for Apple for a time some derogatory name because only what Apple did was right
Nice try though, have been an android user all my life and only own one ipad. Typical stupid online generalization.
Too late, you already angered the android extremists. Come at me haters
All hail the little robo dwarf trashcan thing that is supposed to be an Android while looking nothing like a human!
I’ve never seen someone shit and vomit so hard into a 5 point list before. Congrats on that one, go grab some water.
- Named the one pioneering thing they actually did
- Didn’t use that word but biometrics have nothing implicitly to do with iPhone. Regardless, imagine referring to a named functionality by its own name - so controversial. You’re just trying to take words away from people.
- You’re being paranoid, where do you see snobbery in this comment please point it out if you’re willing to defend this point
- Again, imagine referring to something as it is socially known. Android, pedantically, is an OS yes but everyone in the fucking world when they hear “android or iPhone” know that means an iPhone or a phone running android. 🙄
- What the fuck are you smoking
Cool username by the way. What’s the origin? Sounds awfully a lot like a specific slur I know of. A trolls MO certainly would line up with whatever your shit post of a comment was.
What…the…fuck?!
More riveting conversation, what a surprise.
“riveting conversation” eh?
Watch the completely uncalled for aggression you spewed towards a silly little post about brand fanboiis. Insults followed by attacks, followed by calling me racist for my nickname. This is pathetic and nothing more. You may believe you dealt some sort of blow to me and “win” or something, yet the only thing you did is flail around like an angry child.
All this aggression against a post that was meant to tease someone, which you might have noticed had you read my other post 3 answers down.
Even if there was a conversation to be had about Android vs iOS or the like (there is none, everyone should use their hard earned money to buy whatever is the best products for them and that’s it), even if you made some interesting point somewhere in that ball of hatred you call “conversation”, I’d not engage with that point since the tone you set is not worth my - or everyone else’s - time.
Not reading that wall of text, know damn well it equates to I don’t have anything intelligent to contribute to this convo and I am a troll.
Textbook.
Okay, shorter then: your bio asked me to point you there if you were rude or unruly, so here we go:
https://kbin.social/u/@stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world
capacitative touch screen
Motorola PDA’s form 1999 already had it. I was playing jawbreaker instead of working back in 2001.
You’re too young for the stance you want to take. Let the adults talk.
Give the credit where its due. Android was designed to be used on a device similar to BlackBerry (Sooner), the success of the first iPhone made them switch to a touch design from the ground up. Your Motorola didn’t start any trend. That’s why I use the word “pioneering”. Use shit just to claim “first” without making any major impact is called “gimmick”, like the 2k screen on my old LG G3 (hate it).
Empty barrel truly make the most noise.
👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
Jsyk I downvoted not because you’re necessarily wrong but because you were a dick when the other dude hadn’t even engaged in anything like that
Not very cash money of u fren
