• DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    Steve Jobs was the Elon Musk of his time, he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was.

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      1 year ago

      Steve Jobs did at least actually do things. Musk just buys things and claims he did them.

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        Nah Jobs didn’t do anything himself. From Wozniaks first computer up to the multitouch display for the iPhone, all of these things were just bought/stolen/copied. Jobs just knew how to put these technologies into something that would sell.

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          Just like how Elon did not design his rockets, SpaceX engineers did, Steve did not design the iPhone, Apple engineers did.

          Also everyone seems to conveniently forget about the factory workers actually building them.

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          He was a visionary who was able to see the applicability of new technology, and was able to force his will for better than the standard upon people who would otherwise have thought the improvements impossible. The guy was a fucking jerk, that’s true, but he also completely changed the world with his vision. To say he was nothing more than a Musk, or a thief, is to be disingenuous.

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            but he also completely changed the world with his vision

            Which is a fucking shame, because his vision sucked for the most part. “Less power to the consumers, let them grovel for our products; You can only use our products the way we demand you to; Fuck repairability, buy new; Fuck keyboards”

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        This sells Musk short. He is making smart entrepreneurial decisions for the most part. I hate the monkey testing controversy though.

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      Woah; that’s just so wildly inaccurate; I have no idea what to even say.
      Are you really saying Jobs was a transphobic right-wing extremist whose father got super rich and helped him to just buy into uprising companies without really doing anything by himself?

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        He did father a child he denied to the day he died, intentionally screwed Woz out of his fair share of the apple fortune, killed himself by treating cancer with quackery. Jobs is probably more self made, but that’s about it.

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          He did not deny her until the day he died. She even lived with him during highschool, and he named a computer after her, even though he made up a bogus acronym to pretend that wasn’t his motivation.

          Woz was worth $500m at one point and is worth $100m today. It’s not like he was cut out of the game, he just wasn’t interested in money or success the way Jobs was. Without Jobs drive for success, Woz would never have shared his inventions with anyone, it was just a private hobby to him.

          Steve was definitely an asshole, but there are plenty of valid criticisms to levy at him, you don’t need to misrepresent anything.

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            ’s not like he was cut out of the game, he just wasn’t interested in money or success the way Jobs was.

            You really buy that? That’s some bullshit someone says when they got fucked over and know they’ll lose and come out worse if they try to get what’s rightfully theirs.

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              Woz himself has said as much. The guy has more money than he’ll ever be able to spend. He’s fine.

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                Woz himself has said as much.

                That’s why I said:

                That’s some bullshit someone says when…

                Don’t get me wrong, I don’t give a shit about the contentedness of any of these treasure hoarding shitdragons, but there never has been and never will be a person who is fine with getting ass fucked out of hundreds of millions of dollars. Even Muskrat is throwing an endless tantrum and fucking up people’s lives over a bad deal, even though he did it to himself on purpose.

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        That’s true, he was not nearly as bad as Musk. I was mainly talking about how he’s a general asshole who steals from others and is revered by techbros. I was maybe being a bit hyperbolic in my comparison.

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      he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was

      Oh he died soon enough.