Dog meat consumption, a centuries-old practice on the Korean Peninsula, isn’t explicitly prohibited or legalized in South Korea
Dog meat consumption, a centuries-old practice on the Korean Peninsula, isn’t explicitly prohibited or legalized in South Korea
Should we love invertebrates and other mesofauna too? Because plenty of those are killed in the process of growing vegan food.
Feeding animals plants is responsible for 3/4 of the agricultural land. The goal of veganism is to reduce suffering as much as possible. There is no illusion of living on earth with zero impact, the goal is a minimize the impact. We could reduce the land use to 1/4 with a plant based diet. And obviously stop the intentional killing and abusing of sentient beings.
Then don’t eat animals you have to feed. If you really want to reduce animal suffering as much as possible, then you should try to survive via hunting and fishing as much as possible.
In fact, if you consider that a wild-caught fish was likely about to kill other fish, then catching a fish may be as morally necessary as flipping a switch on a runaway trolley.
Why is it that you insist on killing others? My plant based diet is cheaper, healthier and creates less suffering. Do you think everyone could or should just kill wild animals when they don’t need to? https://xkcd.com/1338/
The fish has no alternative and if you catch one you steal it without the need for it from other animals. Are you trying to make lions vegans? We have options, we have moral agency.
Killing animals is inevitable regardless of diet. Your plant based diet requires growing crops, but tilling soil and harvesting plants kills millions or billions of invertebrates. They are so small that they escape everyone’s attention, yet they are still animals killed to make your food.
Fishing and hunting kills animals too, of course. But it does not require literally uprooting an ecosystem.
Finally, a trolley has no moral agency either. That doesn’t mean nobody should interfere with it, or even destroy it if it threatens enough other lives.
Are you a concern troll or do just don’t know that we could reduce with a plant based diet the land use, the tiling of soil and the killing of those billions invertebrates? The intentional killing of 90 billion land animals and trillions of fish aside
Sure, you could reduce land use for farm raised animals.
But I’m not talking about eating those, I’m talking about eating wild caught animals. Unlike vegetables, wild caught animals require no land use at all.
Alright, abolish animal farming then. All wild animals in the world would last less than 2 months. We don’t have to kill others.
Animal farming isn’t going to be abolished in my lifetime. And I can’t make decisions for everyone.
So the relevant question is what I should do, personally, to reduce my personal impact. A purely vegan diet is not the answer.
Then from that perspective, you’d be fine with people eating dogs right
I would never eat dogs. I like dogs.
More generally, I think it’s perfectly ok to have emotions, and I think it’s ok to make distinctions between those who I’m emotionally attached to and those who I’m not emotionally attached to.
For example, I have houseplants that I nurture and I don’t want to see die, but I don’t really care if see some other plant of dying in the wild.
On Mother’s Day, do you give every Mom a present or just your own Mom?
So you admit that you, and everyone else who supports the killing of animals except a particular species, purely because you personally think that particular species is ‘cute’, are being irrational and only bigoted against the practice because you like that particular species. Good to know.
Also, that ‘Mother’s Day’ example is beyond ridiculous. I love my own mom above all else, of course, but I wouldn’t be apathetic to other moms out there being slaughtered.
Well, there are children dying in parts of the world. Is it morally ok to give your children birthday gifts, take them to movies, and help them pay for college, when that money could be used to save the life of a distant child?
Noted vegans like Peter Singer argue that it’s not ok. If a distant child’s life is at risk, then, you must prioritize all your gifts towards helping the distant child. He uses the same kind of reasoning for his vegan arguments: a child is equivalent to a child just as a dog is equivalent to a pig.
I think that’s ridiculous. “Irrational” or not, humans will always prioritize those close to them, whether their own children over others or their own pet over random animals.
I totally understand valuing your own pet over random animals (I would too) but those dogs in Korea aren’t your pets; they’re random animals that you have no association with.
Fair enough.
I would never eat a dog, but it’s not my place to tell Koreans what to do.
Well, then I guess we both agree with each other.