I know it’s .ml where such things happen but ffs! This guy needs to fucking chill 🤦
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worldnews at .ml is a dumpster fire. First community I had to completely scrub from my instance because it was just so toxic from top to bottom.
Edit: Also, will share my last comment there before I self-banned and purged that cesspit from my instance. This is in reply to someone making a fat joke about Kim Jong Un:
Good 'ol ambiguous Rule 1 lol
What you didn’t realize is that Kim Jong II is actually the mod
Margaret Cho played the absolute hell out of that role 😆
I tried to give that instance the benefit of the doubt at first, but I just block all lemmy.ml communities when I see them now. There’s just too much user and ideology overlap with lemmygrad and hexbear. The worldnews sub was especially bad though. Disinformation & insults everywhere, but they’re never removed despite reports, because they’re part of their side & agenda. It’s basically lemmygrad in disguise.
I don’t block them, but I use non-ml communities in preference to ml-based communities. I don’t think that I’m currently subscribed to any ml-based communities.
You too, huh!
Fucking mods, this is Reddit all over again.
And fuck off whoever that tells me again to set up my own instance. What I want is popular instance admins and mods to pull out the stick out of their asses, because free speech instances that get defederated at the speed of light are of no use.
And there’s no seamless multiaccount Lemmy client yet.
/rant
And fuck off whoever that tells me again to set up my own instance. What I want is popular instance admins and mods to
Seriously though you’re making demands that other people work for free in a manner that will benefit you.
Way I see it, either take some of the free lunch that’s on offer or make your own.
And there’s no seamless multiaccount Lemmy client yet.
…except all of them. At least for Android.
Here’s the one’s I’ve used with seamless multiaccount functionality: Liftoff (RIP), Jerboa, Thunder, Connect, Boost, and Voyager
Sync too, but I only used it briefly because fuck ads.
Yeah… no. Jerboa has no seamless multiaccount. You can have multiple accounts in Jerboa, but you have to switch from one to another.
I want a client that can be logged on to multiple accounts at once and display a unified feed of all of them. Technically complex, but not impossible.
I was indeed told about Liftoff before, but doesn’t seem to work with instances such as lemm.ee
I want a client that can be logged on to multiple accounts at once and display a unified feed of all of them.
…why would you want that? Sounds like there’d be a lot of overlap and confusion…
I want a client that can be logged on to multiple accounts at once and display a unified feed of all of them.
If I had to guess, it’s that someone wants to keep content that Account 1 deals with separate from content that Account 2 deals with without needing to manually flip back and forth.
Like, someone may not want to associate their identity on !cs_career_questions@programming.dev with their identity on !femdom@lemmynsfw.com, in much the same way that in real life, they (presumably) wouldn’t have videos of the latter playing in their office when talking with people about the former.
Yeah, I get the separation thing. That’s why I don’t get wanting to combine them top Lol.
If I had a clean account that I might sometimes use at work, the LAST thing I’d want would be for it to seamlessly combine with my porn alt or whatever lol
Well, yeah, but I was thinking less about “browsing the Threadiverse in the office”, and more “person is at home and wanting all the content at once”. Like, the concern is less people who are physically present and more that one wants to keep online relationships separate.
I mean, I dunno. I can understand the idea, at any rate. I’ve posted (pretty tame) AI-generated pornography when aiming to highlight that Stable Diffusion’s regional prompting feature could be used to generate porn, and remember thinking “eh, it might be a good idea to stick this on a separate account”, but didn’t ultimately care enough. But I can definitely see someone wanting to separate spheres of of their online life. I mean, to greater or lesser extent, people act differently with their parents, their coworkers, their kids, their spouse, etc. It’d be a little odd if things were different online.
It would be the closest to bypass defederation client-side.
Sounds like there’d be a lot of overlap and confusion…
Not if the client was properly designed. Content ovelap/duplication could be handled by prioritizing one instance over others, and if two accounts have acces to the same instance, there could be a prompt letting you to choose the account to post from or also an option to prioritize accounts.
It’s complex but doable.
free speech instances that get defederated at the speed of light are of no use.
I use lemmy.today. The instance policy there is to try to avoid any defederation, and thus far, it has an empty blocklist.
Now, that doesn’t mean that there won’t also be instances that will defederate with your favorite instance. But, you know, people aren’t required to listen. You can only speak to people who want to hear what you want to say. I think that that’s probably really the only reasonable way for things to work. I mean, even user-level user blocking and choosing what communities to view is a form of filtering content.
This is the comment and of course toothy banned me for 3 days too.
Just like they did for “sinophobia” when I expressed misgivings about Chinese and Hungarian cops joining forces 🤦
That’s like that meme post from a few years ago where it’s like (paraphrased):
Person 1: “I can’t stand homophobes”
Person 2: How dare you insult Christians like that.
Person 1: I never said “Christians”. You jumped on that grenade all by yourself.
Just like they did for “sinophobia” when I expressed misgivings about Chinese and Hungarian cops joining forces 🤦
Just love the thing where they twist any criticism of the Chinese state into perceived hate for Chinese people, but are so apprehensive when Israel tries to do the same. It’s reprehensible.
I got banned for “orientalism”, whatever that is
Orientalism is this stuff.
Idk I personally enjoy seeing terms I learned in grad school being thrown around in a mod log.
Paradigm shifts keep the brain nimble.
This is the comment in question, for what it’s worth
I can’t see the whole comment.
Besides which it’s a qualitative judgment so unless they did a full on Content Analysis grid on your ass, I’d probably not know what they meant, unless you were doing something really obvious like calling the Chinese “inscrutible”.
I still kind of enjoy the novelty of seeing mods censor people for this arcane stuff. I wouldn’t want to be on that instance but I quite like visiting it.
I believe it was in reference to a comment about Mao and Stalin
Treating Asian culture or people as a particular stereotype.
Criticizing China in any way.
Ahhh now that adds up
Yeah that’s some petty bullshit.
Side note but I really appreciate the mod log feature.
Yeah, me too. It’s a great feature!
If only we could see mod names in the modlog…
You can in a link from your profile tab in Voyager, that’s were I got the dark mode screenshot from 🙂
Oh, that’s cool. But it would be cooler if it was visible in the instances’ modlog aswell
I was also banned from worldnews@lemmy.ml and had comments removed for “Re-enforcing neo-liberal cultural hegemony” and “Believes in objectivity in media lmao”.
My offense? Saying that a report sourced solely from an eye-witness account via Al-Jazeera regarding another massacre of civilians and aid workers in Gaza needed to be corroborated by further evidence before we regard it as hard fact. The irony is I’m very much pro-Palestinan.
According to the mods, however, that apparently means I have to throw all media literacy out of the window and blindly accept any anti-Israel claims without question.
That community is wild, but the discussion over Gaza over there is fucking crazy. Al Jazeera is one of their more credible sources, you can find articles from websites nobody every heard of, small blogs that state IDF soldiers are eating babies. And that is no exaggeration, that was the last thing I read before I left that community…
Exactly what prompted me to comment, since the blog that sourced Al-Jazeera also added certain details that didn’t seem based on anything like actual evidence. Although I admit it wasn’t anything near as extreme as the IDF canibalizing babies.
If we must call out pro-Israel propaganda that makes outrageous, unsubstantiated claims like that, we must do the same for pro-Palestinian propaganda, regardless of how we personally feel about the conflict.
I start almost every comment I make on those instances with
I know this will net me a ban
to play a bit of reverse psychology with the mods there, who don’t touch my comments when the denizens there inevitablely say
Oh yeah you think you’re so smart well we don’t ban opposing opinions unlike some places
And the mods there have their hands tied because banning me would prove their own guys wrong.
It’s worked pretty well so far.
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There’s such a polarization and paranoia that any comment that’s not 100% unwavering support is considered an attack.
The irony of a communist banning someone over “McCarthyism” when what the banned user said was not even close to McCarthyism, making the mod action itself McCarthyism.
They’ve become the very thing they hate!
Everything I don’t like is McCarthyism
I don’t like gourd veggies. Is that McCarthyism too?
This engine is McCarthyism.
Oh is this the new “Gaslighting”?
You were suppose to destroy the Sith, not join them
Usually I hop in these threads ready to tell people why they deserve to be banned, but dang. There is nothing wrong, ethically or factually, in what you said.
One of their mods banned me for pointing out that Chiang Kai-Shek genocided the communists in China before the Long March. Sometimes they hurt themselves in their confusion.
It’s just a job for them, at the end of the day.
This is why I’ll personally never donate to the Lemmy devs. I could never bring myself to fund a tankie.
It’s not the only one but one of the bigger reasons why I don’t use Lemmy.
I’m glad we don’t use Lemmy, oh wait
I literally don’t.
How am I reading this comment then?
Lemmy isn’t the only Threadiverse server implementation, though it’s the most-widely used. There’s kbin, of which kbin.social is the largest instance, mbin, of which fedia.io is the largest example – and the user you’re talking to is on fedia.io – and some others.
https://mbin.fediverse.observer/list
https://kbin.fediverse.observer/list
Mbin is IIRC a fork of kbin aimed at getting features in more-quickly.
https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin
Those guys are written in PHP.
There’s PieFed, which is in Python:
https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list
https://github.com/Jelloeater/pyfedi
Sublinks, which is in Java:
Oh, interesting! Thanks for enlightening me!
Because our servers & software that we’re using are federated.
Well you use it passively at least.
Although that also means you technically use Mastodon.
Maybe its communities but that’s a bit weird too because in the end it’s more the ActivityPub protocol that we all share the use of. Ultimately I’m neither on Lemmy nor Mastodon, but their content gets federated with the platform I’m using.
What a time to be alive.
If you post a comment to a Lemmy instance, are you using Lemmy?
Federation
Only if I do it through Lemmy (the software). Or would you say you are on mbin because you replied to my comment?
Hmm, probably not. If I was on a community based on mbin though, maybe?
I didn’t let that prevent me from using Lemmy, however, I found that I liked Mbin a lot better. Fedia.io has become my favorite forum type website.
They seem fairly chill as far as I can tell. Its some of the long time users that are the problem
Until you realize some of these long time users are likely sockpuppet accounts of said devs.
But I find it rather funny and in the end their political believes while themselves sitting right in the “imperial core” are harmless. Armchair tankies.
It is pretty exhausting fighting their subtle tankie arguments over and over, lest someone more impressionable only see their bullshit and believe it.
I am really tired to hear “Global South” over and over again.
Rofl. I was wondering why I couldn’t see the other reply to you, and realized it might because I already blocked that user. Went to incognito, and yep, blocked that rabid user a while ago.
I recommend doing the same. I forgot “Global South” was even a term used here.
I am really tired to hear “Global South” over and over again.
We are perfectly aware that beneficiaries of colonisation (like you) would like us here in the Global South to just shut up and give you our resources and labour for absolutely nothing - so there’s no need to say the quiet part out loud, okay?
Lol, I grew up on a Russian colony. Was not fun.
That said, my thing with “Global South” is that it pretends the country with the highest GDP in the world is an “underdog”, and it tries to sell that through its supposed tight alliance with its less fortunate members. By what measure is China or Russia “the South”? Maybe it’s just them trying to sell that they are so oppressed.
And their alliance is so tight that Putin wasn’t allowed on the latest BRICS summit because ZA thought their ties with the ICC are more important than Putin.
It’s just an “actually, we are the victims” circlejerk, based on some fragile semi-alliances and pretending that China is not absolutely dominating the whole thing.
By what measure is China or Russia “the South”?
Russia certainly was after the fall of the USSR - whether it still is is open to debate. China is an active exploiter of the “Global South” - which kind of means the concept is overdue for an update.
ZA thought their ties with the ICC are more important
Nahh, they didn’t want another repeat of the al-Bashir debacle. South Africa’s ANC regime will bend over backwards for the west and especially western corporations - but the US forgot that they will only do so behind closed doors.
We are perfectly aware that beneficiaries of colonisation (like you)
Pretty sure that the guy you’re talking to is from a small country somewhere in Eastern Europe.
Well, I don’t know. I just know that the devs seemed nice and friendly in the QA
Ironically enough, there’s some actual McCarthyism going on in here.
Is the McCarthyism in the room with us now?
Okay sockpuppet boi
I have had my comment removed and/or banned from the ml worldnews for “misinformation” for debunking Russian propaganda with sources.
Why do we allow these instances?
Who is “we”?
The lemmy devs run lemmy.ml. They’re kind of…out there, politically.
The lead dev, dessalines, has material like:
https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html
Admitted to supporting and arming Neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalist groups like the Azov battalion in Ukraine to overthrow it’s former pro-Russia govt, 2. Ukraine now has a pro-US, nazi-glorifying government with ultranationalism, anti-semitism, neo-nazi pogroms, and attacks on LGBT groups.
Dessalines is in the “we need the Soviet Union back and Stalin is awesome” camp. He was using a picture of Stalin as his profile picture for a while.
Like complaining about attacks on LGBT people while supporting Russia and the USSR seems just the most hypocritical thing I can think of. Does he not know Stalin mandated a 5 year minimum forced labor sentence in Siberia for being gay and Russia today is only mildly better for LGBT people.
Frankly, I think that complaining that a government headed by a Jewish guy is anti-semitic is even more bonkers.
That being said, I’m sure that dessalines didn’t originate that himself – that’s apparently big in Russia’s propaganda.
Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, rather infamously had a quote shortly after the start of the invasion, when asked about the whole “how anti-Semitic can Ukrainians be if they chose to elect a Jewish president” thing:
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/02/1095926607/lavrov-israel-zelenskyy-hitler
Lavrov was asked about Russia’s claim that it had invaded Ukraine to “denazify” the country, which has a democratically-elected Jewish president.
“So when they say ‘How can Nazification exist if we’re Jewish?’ In my opinion, Hitler also had Jewish origins, so it doesn’t mean absolutely anything,” he told the station in Russian, referring to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s religion, according to the Associated Press. “For some time we have heard from the Jewish people that the biggest antisemites were Jewish.”
Nazi and fascist have different meanings in Russia. They mean people working against the interests of Russia, it originates from the USSR. For example the gay community was labeled fascist during the soviet occupation here.
I think that complaining that a government headed by a Jewish guy is anti-semitic is even more bonkers.
* frantically points to Israel *
You know there crazy when they think the left is the far right
TBF the Azov Battalion is a real neo nazi us funded (through Ukraine support) group… So… Not entirely wrong?
Sure. You can find ideologically opposite militias fighting for Ukraine too, though. Zelensky is in charge and he’s obviously not a Nazi. He’s a Jewish guy who really wants to save Ukraine as it is and is completely willing to go full Western-progressive to do it. Singling Azov out without the context is basically a propaganda technique.
Also, Russia is acting a bit like Nazis from the very highest levels, except a shittier more openly corrupt version.
Yeah I don’t disagree that the overall claim by Russia is bullshit, that doesn’t take away from the fact they do exist and are outwardly nazi.
Oh, yea, the Ukrain military has a bit of a nazi problem but the time to deal with that is not when you are being invaded. Also the nazi talking point is mostly a red herring anyways since the nazi problem in Russia is magnitudes worse and isn’t limited to their military.
So it’s technically not wrong but tankies don’t really have a problem with nazies, otherwise they wouldn’t be defending Russia, they are anti USA and will side with anything that’s even close to that side with no regards to any other belief. I’m not a fan of the US either but I’m not going to blindly support anything against it either.
You can ask your own instance admin if they’re willing to defederate
All of the .ml instances are absolutely Russian psyops and you can’t change my mind
(I jest… mostly…)
I’m convinced they’re US psyops to make communists look like idiots. I don’t agree with most of communism, but I can respect people with different views. But the tankies on Lemmy are doing such a hard double dutch rudder on China and Russia they can’t be real. Nobody is that stupid, right? And then I remember how many people are going to vote for trump. Yes, the world really is this stupid all around. Idiots are taking over. The stupid people are breeding. Nationalists that feel it’s their duty to populate the homeland.
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Across several accounts
I choose to believe those tankies are doing the same, and it’s just one tankie you’re arguing with. In fact all tankies arguments on Lemmy are just at argument between you and other said tankie dude on new accounts.
Damn, that dude types FAST! Reads super fast too, although his reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired 😄
ChatGPTankie
Yes, the world really is this stupid all around.
Well, that’s the glass-is-half-empty view.
Another way to look at it is that from an evolutionary timeline standpoint, we’re a bunch of hairless ground apes quite recently spending most of our time living in caves in groups of maybe 150 at most. We’ve been, in an evolutionary blink of an eye, propelled rapidly into a horribly-different and rather-confusing environment, and still trying to get by on our cave-dwelling adaptations. And in that context, perhaps we’re doing quite well.
It has been observed that if the last 50,000 years of man’s existence were divided into lifetimes of approximately sixty-two years each, there have been about 800 such lifetimes. Of these 800, fully 650 were spent in caves. Only during the last seventy lifetimes has it been possible to communicate effectively from one lifetime to another—as writing made it possible to do. Only during the last six lifetimes did masses of men ever see a printed word. Only during the last four has it been possible to measure time with any precision. Only in the last two has anyone anywhere used an electric motor. And the overwhelming majority of all the material goods we use in daily life today have been developed within the present, the 800th, lifetime.
– Future Shock, Alvin Toffler, 1970
You’re right that they aren’t real communists, that’s a mask they wear to spread Kremlin and CCP propaganda.
The idea that they’re run by the US government is ridiculous, they’re full of hateful anti-Western content.
Yeah, its the stark advocating of minority rights/protection on one hand and the intense jerking off of dictators with the other that breaks my brain with Tankies
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I dont know anybody on .ml, lemmygrad or hexbear who supports russia, i really dont know where the lib world people got that strawman from.
Doubt. More than likely just useful idiots.
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Babe, wake up; a new .ml wrongthink euphemism dropped
Oh, I got banished from a whole instance on Mastadon for saying that the Apple Safari team looks at every bug request (and they do):
Little fucking Napoleons will ruin social media, not matter what platform.
You sure it wasn’t because the admins harbor deep resentment toward both Dutch people and guys named James and you just had the bad fortune to exemplify everything they hate?
First off, …HEY! 🧐
Secondly, this isn’t “Goldmember”. Should I arbitrarily hate other countries for shits and giggles? …And who says I’m even Dutch? Maybe I’m like Kirk and I only work in The Netherlands.
Thirdly, they seem to love to hate on Apple there. I had the comeuppance to suggest Jen Simmons and the Safari team actually read the bug submissions (and she’s recently been on numerous videos, podcasts, and in posts on Mastadon saying so) and pushed back on their emoji-malarky.
On some instances, opinions other than the admins need not apply. Hopefully you’re not suggesting as much, even with the digs at the Dutch (who aren’t that bad, but like many, many other countries, aren’t all good either).
this isn’t “Goldmember”. Should I arbitrarily hate other countries for shits and giggles?
Absolutely not, I didn’t mean to imply approval, merely to make fun of bad mods by ascribing bigotry to them 😉
And who says I’m even Dutch? Maybe I’m like Kirk and I only work in The Netherlands
True, but anyone unreasonable enough to be bigoted towards the Dutch probably don’t care about such distinctions 🤷
they seem to love to hate on Apple there
That’s the only thing they’re right about, though. They shouldn’t have banned you for your comment, especially not if it’s true, but Apple DOES suck in nearly every way possible 🤷
On some instances, opinions other than the admins need not apply.
Yeah, I’ve noticed lol
Hopefully you’re not suggesting as much, even with the digs at the Dutch
For the record, I’m a big fan of the Dutch in general 😄
Belgians I can take or leave, though…except on second thought they make some truly wonderful beer so they can stay 😁😉
If I only hate the Dutch that means all people I hate must be Dutch. Simple as.
All cool on many things, except one:
they seem to love to hate on Apple there
That’s the only thing they’re right about, though. They shouldn’t have banned you for your comment, especially not if it’s true, but Apple DOES suck in nearly every way possible 🤷
To which, all I can say is:
Which instance? We should maintain a list of these instances to ensure we don’t lose our data due to idiots like them.
What was your original comment?
Clearly I’m a bastard.
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It’s not just pettiness. They’re pushing manipulation.
You guys are getting notifications? I just notice the lack of upvotes after a while posting into the void.
Some of the mods will cite the reason for take-down, which is genuinely nice and appreciated and something I forgot even existed after too much time on Reddit.
Interesting. Reddit does prompt you to give a removal message, or did at one time.
.ml tends to slap “rule 1” on everything, which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.
.ml tends to slap “rule 1” on everything, which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.
[emphasis mine]
Sure about that? From what I’ve seen, anything said in disagreement with the predominant opinion over there (and on hexbear, especially on hexbear) is deemed “bigotry”. They don’t appear to be interested in ingratiating anyone to the cause.
… That’s exactly what I said. Or, at least, what I tried to say.
Some of it is actual bigotry, because this is still the internet, but if they just want to shut someone up it’s also “rule 1”.
Okay, gotcha, I was looking at it from their point of view, which is that everything to them is bigotry, not realizing that that’s what you were saying in the first place. The bad, it is mine.
4.1. No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.Nope, it’s still rule 1 on .ml specifically. Or are you accusing me of bigotry out of the blue? That would be ironic in this context.
I’m simply quoting lemmy.ml’s rule 1 in its entirety. I wrote “4” in error.
which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.
Maybe. But I also see a lot of 4chan-esque double speak and “Free Speech” concern trolling that’s all the fuck over Reddit constantly without ever getting any kind of take down.
Reddit admins have automated so much of their policy that you’re posting in a minefield. You don’t know what arcane caveat you’re going to trip over that’ll get you suspended or banned. But you still find yourself hip deep in the most virulent bigoted, war-mongering, and overtly vile comment threads, because older heads know how to tip toe around the trigger words.
Yeah, both can be true. There’s no way they’re close checking every comment on the instance, looking at the rate of mod actions versus traffic.
Head over to lemmy.ml and scroll to the mod log link at the bottom if you want to see for yourself. A lot of it is just slightly different views on the same socialist stuff. Like the time I said Dengism was just thinly-veiled capitalism, and got banned.
It’s literally one of, if not the, original community, and it’s the one maintained by Lemmy’s developers. It’s probably smaller than .world, but dwarfs my instance.
If you try to post again and get a certain error you’re banned from the community, then you can check that community’s server’s mod log (if it’s public)
It just silently goes through, but nobody else can see it. I only know it happened because of the modlog. Weirdly enough they got me the first time for mild criticism of Israel, which I did not expect to be an issue on there.
Might be silent removal of posts instead of ban
Nope, it was a two-week ban in the .ml mod log, both times.
I should look at the source code a bit, see how bans are supposed to work. It could be a federation issue of some kind if I’m supposed to be notified.
I was banned for “Rule 4” which, by digging through their rules (which weren’t as easy to find as I expected it to be) I learnt that it was “Illegal content”. I literally never posted a comment, post or had ANY kind of interaction on lemmy before. THIS would be my first comment.
I had a post made up of almost exclusively links to news sources (to back up a previous claim) removed due to being “uncivil”
Something similar happened to me with a community on hexbear. Never posted but I already had a ban. The mods must have seen a comment or something on a different community on the instance. Some of the mods there are just as think skinned as on ml.
The rules are generally on the sidebar of the community or instance (depending on if you want to know the rules of the community or instance).
Just block the community/instance and move on
checks lemmyverse.net
There also appears to be a world news community on lemmy.world, if that’s more people’s speed.
No, even though they don’t like the instance, they are required to post in it for whatever reason and then cry when they predictably get modded.
Makes sense!
It’s funny to me that they don’t admit what they said but want sympathy apparently.
Time for an alternate community
