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    Honestly, I kind of think my country (France) forbids weed today because of all the bullshit of the Reagan era and it’s pretty infuriating.

    Their depiction of weed as some super dangerous class 3000 hardcore drug ended up as some kind of standard for most of the developed countries.

    It sucks.

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      It’s just indication to the fact, that the biggest part of our assumed development, our democracy, or our rule of reason is but a delusion.

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              I’m not one of these people that thinks it cures cancer or anything. But comparing it to morphine just muddys the waters.

              It is absolutely safe enough to be recreationally legal. Morphine is not.

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                  As someone who’s drank alcohol and smoked cannabis, yeah alcohol is absolutely more dangerous/obstructive to normal function but no one bats an eye if you go home after work and have a couple beers.

                  Hell when I was in the military it was practically expected that you were going to show up to work hungover since there wasn’t fuck all to do.

                  Smoke a joint on leave? Kicked out, you’re the worst soldier/sailor/marine/airman that’s ever existed.

                  It’s an absolute joke that alcohol is considered safe enough to be legal but cannabis isn’t. Of the two, alcohol should be the illegal one.

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                    Yup. Didn’t touch anything until after I ETS’d. Except tobacco and booze, which were basically… subsidized? Yeah, heavily subsidized by the exchange stores in the 90s. A carton of marlboros was $10 lol. I literally remember people bitching and moaning when it went up a dollar shortly before I left the army. Surreal.

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                  Why does it even matter if it’s safe? Why shouldn’t you be able to make the decision for yourself?

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                    I support marijuana legalization, but this argument doesn’t work. The reality is that we all pay a price when people do certain things. It would be naive in the extreme to argue, for example, that opioids haven’t had a very negative impact on society as a whole. Or think about smoking cigarettes. How much does society pay for all the health problems it causes? Drinking? How much do we all pay for the chaos alcohol can cause, the domestic issues it creates, the broken families, the people killed by drunk drivers? This ain’t the wild west, you can’t just live and let live anymore in a world of 8 billion people.

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                  Yeah, those damned marijuana cigarette smokers are all whippersnappers, just bad eggs all around! I would never condone ANY devils lettuce, just say “Fiddlesticks to you!”

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                  The governments of Canada, Uruguay, United States, Spain, Jamaica, France, Greece, India…

                  23 countries have recreational cannabis laws.

                  Sit down, shut up, and fucking keep up to date.

                  And the term “weed addict” is some fucking refer madness bs.

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                Reading comprehension is fucked.

                Yeah, it had medical applications “just like” morphine. It isn’t “just like” morphine. Fucking hell.

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      It’s just bewildering to prohibit a plant that is easy to grow, serves a lot of uses, and doesn’t easily get you killed.

      I’m also in Europe, and still trying to cope with the fact that I got into trouble with the law for tending a garden. Well I guess at least it re-radicalized me for all it’s worth.

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        I had a similar experience with my poppy field ringed with gympie gympie.

        I’m all for legalisation, and I’m a regular user, but the fact that it’s a plant has always struck me as a weak argument. We can do better.

        It’s one tier better than “It’s natural!” (So are asbestos, arsenic, and anthrax.)

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      considering how much French society despises US policy, I’m kind of amazed that France is still prohibitionist - that really does suck mate.

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      Or maybe because it’s a drug (alcohol and tobacco are too ingrained in society to be outlawed, and despite that tobacco consumption is decreasing)

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        I mean there are tons of drugs which are perfectly legal, so I don’t really see that as a sound reason to outlaw it.

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            And caffeine And acetaminophen And ibuprofen And sildenafil And benzodiazepine And fluoxetine And sertraline And spironolactone And cetirizine …

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                And yet caffeine is more addictive with stronger withdrawal effects.

                You should give up, it’s clear to everyone that you’ve never used the substance and have all your information from drug-war era reefer madness propaganda.

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                    Or they’re sick of seeing people sentenced to prison for smoking a plant that isn’t even as intoxicating as the socially acceptable and fully legal alcohol.

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                    Yes. You cannot legislate morality, or you simply force anyone who doesn’t share your morality to be a criminal.

                    There’s a reason our legal system is based around standing and provable harm.

                    Imagine if we made “being conservative” illegal. People would riot, and quite justifiably.

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                  Eh, I’m not a fan of that definition. Technically Water meets the requirement and even skips the “food for nutrition” out that they give.

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                I “abuse” sildenafil because I get it through someone other than my GP and take it recreationally when swinging.

                It is absolutely a drug.

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                  hm sounds like you’re enjoying yourself way too much sure that must be bad in some way? /s

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                Okay I’ve had enough it’s time for me to tell you that you are completely out of touch with reality. Now that you know this, you can overcome your ignorance with a little awareness. Good luck, it’s going to be a bit of a battle to get your perceptions straightened out.