The nightshade family also gives us a lot of important vegetables. Potatoes, tomatoes, and peppers being the most common but others as well.
And then there’s Brassica oleracea, where it’s not even a family, but one single species that brings us a heap of classic veggies including cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, Brussels sprouts, and gai lan. If you expand to its family you can add turnip, bok choy, radish, wasabi, as well as the majority of source vegetables in the eponymous “vegetable oil”.
Are you saying a vegetable fried this rice?
Ah, the old lemm-a-roo
I don’t get it.
Does this help?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switcheroo
It’s kind of an internet culture thing to respond like that…
No I’m familiar with the ol’ Reddit switcheroo. I don’t understand what exactly is being switched in this case.
Yeah, it’s a bit of a stretch here. The comment is intentionally mixing things up for comedic effect, but it’s not a direct switch of anything…
That’s an existential crisis I’ve had after starting to eat vegan. Suddenly everything in your cupboard is a plant, with the exception of salt and sometimes mushrooms.
It’s just like: I’ll now eat this noodle-shaped plant with this pureed plant and this protein-rich plant and I’ll also throw in some tasty plant shreds. Maybe I should also have some plant leaves with a dressing out of plant oil, fermented plant juice and this plant seed paste.
But then I realized that meat, eggs, cheese, milk, and even mushrooms, they’re all just processed/digested plants, too. So, there’s only plants and salt. Which really didn’t make the existential crisis any better, but at least we’re all in it together. 🙃
All beings, including us, are descendants of the first single-celled being that appeared on Earth billions of years ago. We share 75% of our DNA with a potato (some people which I know, even more)
So that’s why some vegetables sometimes have that wasabi taste to them.
And Cavolo Romano!
Also my lovely Cucurbitales, from cucumbers over pumpkins up to melons.
Brussel sprouts? That’s not a vegetable, that’s heresy! Awful stuff. The rest can be good, depending on the context though.
For what it’s worth, though I don’t think I’ve ever had them in any form, I’ve heard that the poor reputation of Brussels sprouts is due to the popular way of cooking them in the '30s through '80s being to boil the shit out of them. They’re supposed to be quite good if you cook them the right way.
They’ve also had a lot of the bitterness bred out of them since the 90s. The ones I’ve eaten recently are less bad than I remember as a kid.
They’re still bad tho
They should never have been consumed bitter. When they are frozen the bitter substance is destroyed. In former times this implied being harvested only after the first night frosts in autumn, never before. Nowadays there might be some more artificial ways to achieve the same result more reliable. (Perhaps by breeding, too, I’m not sure about this part.)
Taste changes with age, too. The younger, the sweeter and the older, the bitterer people prefer.
Don’t forget the brassicas too
The culinary history of humanity is just one long dare about eating the killer plants.
Thanks to all our forefather who ate enough poisonous squashes for us to enjoy squash soup and pumpkin pies.
I love all those vegetables but if I had to give up allium or nightshades, I’d give up nightshades.
I love garlic as much as the next guy, but I don’t think I could imagine food without potatoes
Tobacco is also in this family
I once had a coworker who just took a bite out of a raw onion right in front of me. They were completely unfazed, like it was an apple or something. I’m still a little emotionally scarred.
My grandfather used to eat vidalia onions like apples. They’re pretty sweet & mild.
Do you happen to work at a mid-sized paper company?
No, that was a potato… or a beet.
But you gotta admit, it’s a very Creed thing to do
I had a surly paternal grandmother who seemed to revel in making the lives of children miserable.
When I was about four years old, I asked for a snack, and she gave me a raw onion.
I sat at the kitchen table and ate the entire fucking thing like it was the sweetest piece of fruit known to history, staring her in the eye the whole time.
If I had been just a little bit older and thought of it, I would’ve asked her for another one.
She died when I was seven. My reaction to this, as she lived in Washington State, was, “Does that mean we get to see Mount Saint Helens?” as the volcano had gone off just a couple weeks prior.
That would have given me stomach cramps that made me pray for death.
I once knew a guy who peeled and ate a full garlic like one would do with an orange or mandarin, while walking and talking casually.
Like a clove, or the entire head of garlic?
When I was a child we often had peeled garlic on the table for me to snack on it during dinner. I must have smelled hideously.
There are actually onions that you can do that with. I think the soil where those are grown is low on sulfer or something so the onion cant make the chemical responsible for making your eyes water.
Supportive link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidalia_onion
I’ll usually eat a could wee chunks of an onion after I dice it up, and the other day I was surprised by how palatable the onion was that I was eating. Normally I enjoy eating a couple tiny pieces raw, but this was an onion I could see myself taking a big ol bite out of
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Sweet onions were consider a desert by the Romans and they would eat them like we do apples.
Was he Eastern European?
No, I don’t think so. He was a younger guy from the southern US, if I remember correctly. Is that something east europeans do on the regular??
Younger guy from the southern US here, I have done this just to fuck with people. I’m just not very sensitive to the “bite” onions are supposed to have. I can chop quite a few of them before my eyes start to water.
Your cutting technique can make a huge difference too, avoid cutting the base and there’s less of that sticking l chemical released
It sounds like an old wives tale, and maybe I’m naturally resistant, but if I consistently press my tongue to the roof of my mouth as I chop onions, I do not cry.
Anecdotal, of course.
As an eastern european, we eat everything with onions and garlic. Hell, I even eat onions on their own time to time, it tastes good.
Southern guy probably was eating a Vidalia onion. The soil is low in sulfur, I believe, and has a more neutral acidity, so the onion is pretty uniquely sweet. I heard one older southerner call them dirt apples.
Allium family also make the world nicer, even those for the kitchen have nice flowers if planted.
Holy, that’s so pretty! Would love to have some in my garden.
There are several webs of ornamental allium which show how to plant and care for them, the different species, etc.
And the flowers taste delicious!
Wow!! Do they grow that spherical or are those groomed??
Either way, beautiful!!
They grow mostly spherical, but depending of the species of ornamental allium. Also a normal onion has a beautifull flower if you plant it.
Onion
Garlic
My mother does not like onions.
I am glad I did not inherit that horrific genetic abnormality.
My gf does not like the texture of onions.
The taste is fine with her, so I think I’m gonna have to get used to cooking for her with minced onions…
My mom was (and is) a terrible cook in many other ways, but the ‘I’m not making you anything with onions in it’ as a kid kind of sucked.
I’m just glad my grandmother was a good cook.
I feel bad for my brother right now, since his gf cannot have onions and garlic due to a food intolerance. At least spring onions are still tolerable, but still…
Garlic and onions are the basis for so many things that we cook at my house. I can’t imagine not having them in my diet.
I don’t like onions. It’s literally the one food I do not like. I’ve tried them many times, many ways, and still nope.
Raw and cooked? Maybe try it minced, cooked extremely soft and mixed into a sauce so there are no visible pieces?
I will use it to cook in soups and such, but otherwise, no thank you. I’ve replaced it with leeks and shallots.
Shallots and leeks are nice! Welcome to the Allium family:)
I just tied them to my belt, which was the custom at the time.
Onions, garlic, other onions, other other onions
Heh! The pointy ones are shallots. I agree that Chinese chives or European Leeks or something equally different would have better rounded out the set.
There used to be an garlic restaurant near my old house and basically EVERYTHING was garlic based. It was heaven.
Guess what. They had garlic ice cream and it was DELICIOUS. Nothing like I thought it would be. It was light and sort of fruity and sweet.
Goddamit I miss that place.
No way
Straight up.
I want garlic ice cream now
Me too.
I’d guess the garlic was deeply roasted until brown and sweet for the ice cream?
You are probably correct. Slowly… veeeeerrrry slowly.
When I first started to cook for myself, I ignored using onions and garlic because I didn’t think they would make that big a difference 🤡
I always thought onions and garlic made breath bad so I don’t put them on anything and I don’t give them to anyone.
Their foil is pretty good at keeping stuff fresh too (as well as making good anti-mind-control hats)
Sucks to have IBS, it’s hard to avoid alliums…
Me too, and I just suffer for it haha.
I know it’s stupid, but I just can’t give up good food. My stomach will hurt so bad it feels like I have back problems or something and I’m still not eating spaghetti without my garlic bread.
I don’t eat the good stuff constantly, most of my meals are bland. When I get a chance though I don’t pass on it.
How sensitive are you? I’ve found I struggle with them a bit if I eat lots suddenly after not eating them for a while, but if I continue, it tends to be fine. My guess is that the reason it is inconsistent for me is related to fluctuations in gut bacteria partially due to what I am eating…
I know actual IBS is no joke, but I think it would be interesting to determine your threshold and see if you can change it at all. For example, eat a pea-sized piece of onion and wait a couple days. No effect, start eating a pea-sized piece of onion every day and wait for cumulative effects (a week or two?). Still no effect, add another piece for one day, go back to regular dose for a couple days, etc. When you reach the point where it starts to cause discomfort, back off a bit and try to push it again in a week or two.
I’ve never really tried to change it, I adapted as best as I could.
I’m intolerant to most fodmap (lactose, mannitol, fructans, gos and fructose). I also noticed that gluten can wreck me if I eat too much of it, fatty food can trigger me as well as alcohol.
It was hard to get used to it but now it’s a question of self regulation. I skip most of the things that trigger me and indulge sometimes, often a bit too much and I have to face the consequences for up to a week or so. Lactose is the easiest to deal with because of lactase, the rest not so much… I guess at least I’m not celiac or suffering of Crohn’s, so that’s that I guess.
What’s this “almost”, please?
I would certainly not enjoy garlic in my chocolate cake
Without going too Wittgenstein on you, I read it a bit differently, and I would enjoy onion jam on my chocolate cake.
But that garlic when it’s onion cake though
Cake has layers. Onion has layers.
∵ Cake is onion.
Always has been
I am very sad I can’t eat these anymore due to IBS
I was this way for years. I eventually recovered a lot and slowly weened back onto them. Good luck and take care.
Thank you for the kind words! I didn’t know I could maybe have these again at some point in the future. Did you just try them every now and again to see how you reacted? Do you still need to watch out?
Same for me when i had ibd (still do but in remission). But after bettering my gut microbiome I could eat everything again.
Just saw this. For me, I found a medication that helped me a lot and I worked on my diet as well. Not just fodmaps but slowly becoming vegan. That helped me regrow my gut biome a lot. I also experimented with fecal transplants, believe it or not. And I went to a pian clinic and they injected a numbing agent into my nerves. This may or may not have been effective. I tried a lot of things. But I think the diet and medication were the most helpful. Then when I was a bit stronger I slowly tried a lit bit more garlic and onion powder and then eventually fresh garlic and onions. I would have a bit of a response but not much. And after a while that response went away.
What medication would that be? I have found enzymes that seem to help with fructans and GOS, do you mean those?
I’ve heard of fecal transplants before, but that it’s simply unknown at this point if it helps with IBS. Hypnosis seems to be helpful for some people as well.
For sure, Celebrex, an NSAID. I had really bad pain and ended up in the hospital and was given Toradol and it helped immediately, and then the doctor gave me a prescription for celebrex afterwards, I took it daily for a while and that was years ago, now I take it as backup if things get bad.
Ye, I suspected that my gut bacteria was a big part of the issue. I found when I did the transplants it always helped. But you have to jump through a lot of hoops to do it safely and effectively. And it may be illegal. And of course, the ick factor is real.
Thanks for sharing your story!
You include shallots, but not spring onions? I feel offended.
Even my tears taste better with them!!
