Poll released Wednesday shows divisions by age and political lines, with 35% overall saying campaign against Palestinians is genocide
    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
      341·
      9 months ago

      way down at the bottom here::

      opt in polling from web based “interview”. So, probably. nobody even remotely tech savy (aka has an ad blocker) ever participated. but anyhow… here’s what pew research has to say about the effects of interview mode:

      Where differences occurred, they were especially large on three broad types of questions: Items that asked the respondent to assess the quality of their family and social life produced differences of 18 and 14 percentage points, respectively, with those interviewed on the phone reporting higher levels of satisfaction than those who completed the survey on the Web.

      Questions about societal discrimination against several different groups also produced large differences, with telephone respondents more apt than Web respondents to say that gays and lesbians, Hispanics and blacks face a lot of discrimination. However, there was no significant mode difference in responses to the question of whether women face a lot of discrimination.

      Web respondents were far more likely than those interviewed on the phone to give various political figures a “very unfavorable” rating, a tendency that was concentrated among members of the opposite party of each figure rated.

      Statistically significant mode effects also were observed on several other questions. Telephone respondents were more likely than those interviewed on the Web to say they often talked with their neighbors, to rate their communities as an “excellent” place to live and to rate their own health as “excellent.” Web respondents were more likely than phone respondents to report being unable to afford food or needed medical care at some point in the past twelve months.

      ultimately, the legitimacy of the poll would depend on where they solicited their subjects in the poll. You’re likely to get a far different answer with advertisements on Truth Social than you would with advertisements on, lets say, a palistinian-american subreddit. but that wasn’t addressed in the report, so. we’ll never really know.

      • Shirasho@lemmings.world
        261·
        9 months ago

        Opt-in polling is so bad. It means you only get answers from people with strong opinions. They are polls where the results are shaped like a U instead of a bell curve so it rarely represents the actual 95 percentile.

      • breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca
        6·
        9 months ago

        I don’t think it’s opt-in in that way though. They have a pre-existing list of millions of pre-screened people and they’re selecting a representative sample from that list. Fivethirtyeight ranks them fairly highly among other polls – certainly high enough for this opinion poll to be considered accurate.

        • Hamartia@lemmy.world
          2·
          9 months ago

          Fivethirtyeight only grades them on their ability to predict american election results. I don’t think that’s the same as advocating for their efficacy in producing leading public opinion polls.

          • Telodzrum@lemmy.world
            2·
            9 months ago

            You’re right, kinda. Issue polling is generally better than horse race polling and YouGov is no exception.

            • Hamartia@lemmy.world
              1·
              9 months ago

              It’s a serious issue when there’s a clear political bias in the founders. They put more effort into steering the narrative than objectively reporting it.

                • Hamartia@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  9 months ago

                  If you haven’t seen any clear bias then you probably have a close enough outlook to them to not notice. And that’s fine, I don’t require everyone to have the same opinion as me for their comments to have value.

                  My impression of bias is probably born out of the leading polls that rightwing media and thinktanks in the UK commission them to do. You can fairly argue that these polls are externally commissioned so their tenor is a product of their issuer not yougov. But the overall impression I got was that they could be readily depended on to produce misleading propaganda against labour when it wasn’t being run by corporate technocrats.

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          9 months ago

          It’s still selecting from a list of people who have something to say, though.

          As far as how accurately they represent broad swaths of america… well, that’s a different matter. I would expect your average american to be far more luke warm to any given subject than respondents to a poll.

          • breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca
            6·
            9 months ago

            That’s probably just a problem with polls though – people who won’t answer aren’t included. But they’re saying that 26-32% of Americans are “unsure,” and that sounds pretty lukewarm. Their methodology does sound odd to me too but if it was flawed it would show in the election data, right? Elections are a brutal testing ground. Hundreds of surveys have been predictive and high quality on average.

            • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
              41·
              9 months ago

              Agreed on all of that.

              I would have guessed 1/3 are “wtf! stop it”, a 1/3 are “bomb them harder!” And then there’s everyone else just doing their thing, going to work. Going to school.

    • tsonfeir@lemm.ee
      146·
      9 months ago

      I wonder how many people in that poll could locate Gaza on a map with no names.

        • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
          3·
          9 months ago

          “Indy, your father had the book. That’s why the Nazis were after him. But they never found the book! The book that contained The Map With No Names!”

          “That’s what he sent to me, Ilsa— he sent me the book!”

          [digs package out of pocket]

      • orclev@lemmy.world
        61·
        9 months ago

        I couldn’t, but I also couldn’t find Israel… or Greece… or Idaho… I’m just really bad at geography in general.

          • MelastSB@sh.itjust.works
            12·
            9 months ago

            Yes, about how champagne must come from the Champagne region of France, otherwise it’s just sparkling wine. I don’t know where the exact quote comes from though

            • krakenfury@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              6·
              9 months ago

              It also references Germany, since the word “genocide” was invented to describe the Nazi crimes against European Jews (the Holocaust).

            • mPony@lemmy.world
              4·
              9 months ago

              champagne must come from the Champagne region of France

              for something that’s been so extensively memed I would have thought Knowyourmeme would have an entry for this. I’m not finding one, though. Even a “research paper” about the subject doesn’t pin down the earliest time it was used in this way.

          • Maggoty@lemmy.world
            3·
            9 months ago

            Yes, to the anti-semite police who will tell you with a straight face that you’re making the Holocaust seem better than it was by calling anything else a genocide.

  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
    566·
    9 months ago

    Israel is blocking aid organisations from buying food, water and medicine in israel and transporting it through the Ker Shalom crossing. Forcing everything through the extremely slow Egypt crossing which they are actively holding up. If they wanted to prevent weapon smuggle then they should love it going through Ker Shalom

    I cannot think of a single possible explanation other than israel trying to starve Gazans and commit genocide. How are Americans this brainwashed?

    • Kbobabob@lemmy.world
      192·
      9 months ago

      How are Americans this brainwashed?

      This isn’t limited to the US. What are Israeli citizens doing? Personally i think the US should just stay the fuck out of it and take back whatever stuff we can that we gave them. Cut off support and actively denounce, but they won’t.

        • whoisearth@lemmy.ca
          5·
          9 months ago

          When I was a kid my parents took me to a reservation on the Oak Ridges Moraine which has long since decimated to a fraction of what it once was.

          In it was a box on the wall and above it was printed “the most dangerous animal on the planet” with a hinge to open the box. Inside was a mirror.

          I think about that moment consistently in my life even as a 46 year old.

          My point being you’re right. Each one of us is the problem.

    • myrdinn@lemmy.world
      8·
      9 months ago

      Propaganda. An abysmal education system. Failing social structures. Corrupt media. Networks of the wealthy using their influence to push society in the direction they desire.

  • Furedadmins@lemmy.world
    24·
    9 months ago

    If that headline said one third of Americans don’t believe Israel is commiting genocide which is also an accurate from the results it would set a very different tone.

  • Rapidcreek@lemmy.world
    273·
    9 months ago

    • 67% said a ceasefire should only happen if the hostages are released and Hamas is removed from power

    • 83% said October 7 was a terror attack, including 74% of those aged 18-24

    • 80% said they support Israel over Hamas, including 57% of those aged 18-24

    • 69% said Israel was trying to avoid civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip and 66% said Israel was just trying to defend itself

    • 74% said Hamas’s attack was genocidal

    https://harvardharrispoll.com/

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    254·
    9 months ago

    I think that shows that this is not the issue that is going to really hurt Biden. What will hurt him is if the economy for the average person hasn’t improved by election day. And I doubt it will. So I sure as fuck hope he doesn’t lose to Trump.

        • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
          01·
          9 months ago

          No? Half of Democrats believe it’s a genocide, while only 21% believe it’s not. The rest are undecided. This is a big deal, because even if a tenth of the people who believe it’s a genocide decide to stay home that’s enough to lose Biden the election.

  • mydude@lemmy.world
    71·
    9 months ago

    “believe”… Even ‘positive’ articles sneaks in some doubt in the headline. At least dobt your lyin’ eyes, you pleb.

  • viking@infosec.pub
    54·
    9 months ago

    Or in other words, two thirds believe they don’t, which is way more drastic.

    • CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world
      8·
      9 months ago

      35% say it is, 36% say it isn’t, with 29% undecided.

      Seems the headline makes it seem that way, but in reality we seem to be having a close race

        • Shyfer@ttrpg.network
          51·
          9 months ago

          How do you not care about an ongoing genocide? Godamn people are so heartless. I thought we all said never again after the holocaust.

          EDIT: Admittedly, if you’re not from the US or a country heavily supporting Israel, then there isn’t a lot you can do about that, and I get tuning out a little.

        • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
          22·
          9 months ago

          I don’t think it’s that they don’t care. More likely it’s that they can’t make up their minds. This whole conflict is kind of like Iran attacking Russia and then people coming to me asking which one I’m rooting for.