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    Of all the things you could reasonably criticize the US over, wheelchair accessibility ain’t one of them. Especially compared to Europe.

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      I thought the idea was that Republicans are actively working on destroying what has been working fine and is benefitting lots of people, not just on preventing more progress.

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          Abortion rights, voting rights, gay marriage, privacy, trans rights, immigration, housing, the economy, net neutrality, take your pick.

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              Nope. The topic at hand is free ice-ceam. A topic that you, as a rational adult, can understand that is 100% literal and not at hyperbolic example to make a point about general trends and not a single specific item.

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              Not specifically. They just picked a random idea out of a hat. One that is currently working fine with no issue. To signify that is the type of stuff they go after.

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              https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1C022I/

              Tldr, they’re actually trying and have been trying, to pass bills to gut the ADA because disability access is anti American.

              Also, the post is just making fun of the US consistently doing messed up stuff. When picking something for hyperbole, you usually pick something that’s extreme, not something that actually already happened.
              it’s not quite as funny to say “the news is always like: former US president argues he should legally be able to do whatever he wants without consequences and courts might let him, meanwhile Finland has nearly eradicated homelessness.” You do get that the point was to be funny?

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                That proposal died in Congress 7 years ago.

                We Americans are not the monstrous caricatures you make us out to be. We’re not evil. We’re not wicked. And the US is not some dystopian nightmare. It’s actually a pretty good place to live.

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                  The proposal shouldn’t have existed in the first place! There wouldn’t be a need to kill the proposal if our representation was composed of empathetic decent people, instead of ghouls bought out by the wealthy few.

                  It’s pretty monstrous to even consider proposing a removal of legislation that objectively helps a lot of Americans.

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                  First, I live in the US, so not sure where you’re going with that.
                  Second, nice straw man. No one said Americans were evil, people said the news is often distressing and backwards.
                  Third, it doesn’t matter when it’s from when your argument was “America would never assail disability rights!”. An article about recent efforts by active politicians to rollback our biggest protections speaks to that. In any case, here’s a more recent article on the topic: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/midterm-elections-republicans-disabled-community_n_6375a759e4b0afce046aefef

                  Four, you’re entirely lacking in nuance or a sense of humor, and seen incapable of distinguishing a joke from “all Americans are evil”, which is definitely a way to live, but not a very productive one if you ask me.

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              That’s an example used in the OP meme, but the context still suggest all those other things, too. That’s what the “news is always like” part is. You can replace wheel chair access with all sorts of things and the meme would still ring true.

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                  Finland did not in fact make ice cream free, but you don’t challenge that. This is a meme, it could have said anything that sounds grotesquely arbitrary and callous, like banning left handed scissors, even if two-handed tools are probably more easily available in America than in many other parts of the world, perhaps even Finland.

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                  Check the thread as a whole, my guy. Your critique of the example isn’t where people started disagreeing with you, but the secondary argument you made when someone said the meme itself isn’t just about wheel chair accessibility.

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        As if Democrats don’t do the exact same thing in lock step. Interesting where your focus lies however. It’s helpful though because it indicates your bias.

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          The ignorance you’re showing here is absolutely astounding. Banning things and removing certain people’s rights is a defining part of US republican politics. Every damn week, there’s a new thing they’ve decided is evil and needs to be banned. That’s very much not the case with US democrat politics. Sure, there are things they too want to ban or change, but it’s based on logic and not a constant stream of new things.

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            Yes, thankfully the Democrats aren’t the party of trying to ban stuff. Imagine if they were, and came out of nowhere to like ban gas stoves, gas cars, freedom of medical choices, and gender affirming surgery for kids. If any of that was true then I’d have a pretty good point, but thankfully it isn’t. Right?

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          It’s helpful though because it indicates your bias.

          Lol.

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      It’s purposefully hyperbolic to illustrate a point. You think that Finland is seriously making all ice cream free?

      I would not be the least bit surprised if all the Abbotts and Thomases and Trumps and Desantises (Desanti?) announced tomorrow that they would no longer be supporting the ADA’s immoral drain on commercial profits governmental budgets.

      And before someone points it out, gutting a system that he has personally benefited from to fuck over Texans is exactly the kind of thing Abbott would do.

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        And before someone points it out, gutting a system that he has personally benefited from to fuck over Texans is exactly the kind of thing Abbott would do.

        Not would, he has. After the tree crippled him, he sued for his wealth. Then he outlawed the same type of payouts for the exact type of lawsuits he benefited from. Definition of pulling the ladder up behind you.

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        My point is that it’s not a good illustration.

        Just read through some of the responses I’ve gotten. Some people think it’s a good illustration because it’s very plausible. Some because it’s not at all plausible.

        I’m saying it’s not a good illustration because it’s not at all plausible.

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          Other than all the conservative efforts to destroy the ADA I guess.

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          I don’t think it makes much difference whether or not it is plausible. It’s just trying to communicate a message. I guess it has to be plausible enough that a reader can understand what it is even talking about; but not so plausible that the reader is led to believe this specific case is actually happening.

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            That’s just one more interpretation to add to the ones I mentioned.

            Which is fundamentally my point. Had the OP used something that is actually happening then it would be harder to interpret the message in unintended ways. And it would be much more readily accepted by Americans like myself who do not see themselves as evil, stupid, malicious, or any of the other insults that necessarily follow from any interpretation the OP.

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      On the other hand, disallowin wheelchair ramps because there are not mentioned in the Bible would be a very American move.

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          You are currently debating whether hospitals can let women die instead of performing abortions

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              If your politicians don’t represent the people, what the heck are they doing?

              Or, why do your people still vote for them?

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            You’re hastily summarizing some stupid political hit piece as the totality of what everyone in the country thinks. That’s incredibly lazy thinking. What country are you from where everyone thinks the same exact way and the news accurately reports it?

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          Evil and malicious? Of course not. Mislead by a tailor-made Christian cult that always supports whatever the cult leader thinks is important? Literally nothing more American than that. We have a state that was founded for that propose. The largest, consistent voting block in America is fueled by exactly this.

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          Of course we’re not but “the supreme court bans something good because it’s not explicitly allowed in a 200 year old document” is a goddamn accurate statement lol

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      Especially compared to Europe?

      What? Europe very sound protection for the disabled. Putside of historical buildings built before disability care you won’t find better access anywhere.

      I get America is pretty good too, but your comment makes it sound like Europe is a nightmare for the disabled.

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        Not sure about how good or bad it is in the US, but in the Netherlands (a place that is known for good infrastructure) it’s definitely not perfect.

        I never realised until we got a baby and I started walking with a stroler. Way too often the sidewalk is inaccessible because of cars or bicycles. Also lots of places without ramps or elevators.

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          You have a sidewalk, that is obstructed sometimes. Having a sidewalk puts in like the top 10% of countries instantly lol

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        Europe very sound protection for the disabled. Putside of historical buildings built before disability care you won’t find better access anywhere.

        But that’s the point: Most buildings were built before disability care, and haven’t been upgraded.* Think about your favorite restaurant, bar, kebab place, corner shop etc. – I don’t think any of mine are wheelchair accessible. Also good luck taking a train in Germany, where many platforms aren’t wheelchair accessible and they might or might not have a lift to get you into the train.

        The Americans with Disabilites Act (ADA) is miles ahead of any legal framework that I’m aware of in Europe. The US is a broken country in many ways, but that doesn’t mean that literally anything and everything has to be worse than in glorious Europe.

        *The former is true for the US too, but the ADA still required many of them to make reasonable accomodations.

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          Think about your favorite restaurant, bar, kebab place, corner shop etc.

          All have wheelchair ramps. Even the townhall that was built in the 1700s has a wheelchair ramp, as does the church built in the 1400s.

          I only know a handful of places that are in the centre of dense cities that don’t have them.

          Then if I wanted to make comparisons to the US, yes lots of buildings are wheelchair acceptable, but they still expect you to drive between those buildings, even if you’re disabled, so sidewalks and crossing points are abysmal.

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        America has way more wheelchair ramps due to the critically obese population, so the statement is still mostly true.

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        I get that Europe is pretty good too, but the OP makes it sound like America is a nightmare for the disabled.

        You do see my point, you just don’t like it.

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      huh? america is absolute garbage for wheelchair access, the ADA is absolutely not sufficient

      fuckin have fun navigating the average suburb with a wheelchair, you can’t even walk to the store in most places

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        you can’t even walk to the store in most places

        I’d imagine walking to the store in a wheelchair to be incredibly difficult.

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          Technically in common disability parlance the motion of movement in a wheel chair is still considered “walking” just like listening to an audiobook is considered “reading” for visually impaired people.

          Basically it accepts the whatever means you get to the end product as being a synonyms with the verbs those used by abled people.

          Learned this from my librarian buddies.

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        Google tells me that the US is ranked #5 in the world behind Japan, Canada, Germany, and the Netherlands.

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        In most of America you can’t walk to the store even if you don’t use a wheelchair. At my old place I could see a grocery store from my house, but it was on the other side of a limited access road, I had to go 1.5miles to a pedestrian overpass to be able to get to it making it a 6 mile walk to get 100 yards.

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      Lmao yes, we are one of the best in that regard.

      Thank you American Disability Act!!

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      To be fair a good chunk of the buildings in Europe are older than america.

      New builds tend to take differently able people in mind these days

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          Europe doesn’t set all the rules at the EU level, this type of thing was probably law in many EU countries before it was law at the EU level.

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            Mellvar is completely wrong, the law was drafted in 2000, and became compulsory in 2009 because there were a couple of countries that hadn’t complied

            Not sure what agenda they’re pushing, or if they’re confused with the new law that says that all web based sites now have to be inclusive

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    Idk, man. Finland has been posting some Ls recently. The Orpo Cabinet is all about those tax cuts, business-friendly deregulations, big new military spending budgets, and tighter restrictions on immigration.

    Basically doing Reaganism, Finnish style.

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      big new military spending budgets

      Considering what is going on, that’s an L?

      tighter restrictions on immigration.

      Ditto

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        Ditto

        Sort of the joke in all this. Drop a few bombs. Create a bunch of new refugees. Then close your borders.

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          Maybe I misunderstood you but I’m talking about Finland. We didn’t drop any bombs. We’re just reacting to Russian attack on Ukraine and them using refugees as tools.

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      Dumbass American me periodically thought “the Orpo” cabinet was from Ikea or something. (Yes I know thats Sweden but again I’m a dumbass American) 🙃

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    Actually, America is one of the most disabled-friendly country in the world when it comes to access struggles like wheelchair ramps and elevators

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    Joke’s on you, they’re just spreading some flavour on all of the snow and it’s all salty licorice.

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    Check out his (and Andy and Matt’s) podcast “probably science” it’s a wonderful way to get all the poop, flatulence, and penis science your brain could ask for. They occasionally have on great guests, and (almost) always have interesting people doing the show with them.

    Also he is great on Twitter, but usually deletes his posts after they get over x amount of views/shares, because he isn’t into going viral.

    Also, please bring back Jesse vs cancer, it’s been over a year guy.

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    Image Transcription: Social Media


    Jesse Case, @jessecase

    The news is always like:

    “America has banned wheelchair ramps because they weren’t in the Bible. Finland has made ice cream free.”

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        Is… is that actually what happened? My younger self might have assumed you were exaggerating, but my current self has seen too much to assume anything.

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      There is much to say about reporting biases, but in this case you’re touching one of the most humane services only the most progressive countries have touched on. The ability to pass away in a respectful way on your own terms. No one is being forced or pressured, that’s a blatant lie many media channels are responsible for.

      You don’t choose to be born, if you feel your life is unbearable/complete you should be able to step out of it without having to be kept alive by pills and/or treatments while slowly deteriorating mentally/physically. And don’t get me started on the uncertain outcome and dramatic outcome of suicide, which is usually an insane ‘counter-argument’ that gets proposed as available option.

      Sadly many countries have not yet reached that level of sympathy, mainly because of religious intervention. Which is exactly the point of this post.

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      Country says it is legal to drink water.

      “Country is executing people by drowning!”

      I’m assuming even the people who agree with you hate the way you’re approaching this. I hope you’re just a troll, because the alternative is that you’re an idiot.

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      America also has a lot people who have lived here for generations too, at least long enough generationally to not particularly matter much any more. That’s not something particularly unique to Finland.

      America just more uniquely treats some people much worse than others. For example parts of my family came to the US as immigrants around the turn of the 1900s and it took a while for italians (who at the time were the “dirty brown people bringing drugs and crime to our streets”) to gain “white people” status around the 1970s. I have friends who’s families have family trees much longer rooted in America, but have historically been treated a lot worse than I or my parents ever have even into the present day.

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          If we really wanted to explore the concept further there’s also been a not insignificant about of cultural exchange that happened between the Scandinavian area and numerous regions outside their immediate area, as vikings traveled around, they encounter the early British, Normans and Franks, the had encounters with the late Christian and early Muslim world surrounding the Hagia Sophia, as evidenced by the viking graffiti carved I to stonework in there. They’ve had Christian missionaries proselytize their lands and convert them to Christianity away from the Norse traditions and dramatically retold those traditions from a christocentric framing.

          Finland isn’t some culturally untouched place, left to their own devices for centuries. They both invaded others and were invaded, they engaged in trade and cultural exchange, they influenced other cultures and other cultures influenced them.

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              Glad to bring another perspective to the situation. I’m tired of the “Nordic countries are a culturally cohesive population” argument while ignoring the centuries cultural exchange and interaction with the world beyond their borders. it’s lazy right wing “rationalization” about how social safety nets and better public policy that helps people can’t work in the US because of “cultural disunity”

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      Yeah, same wavelength, right, there was bloody civil war in Finland just bit over 100 years ago. Whites (the right) and reds (the left), with 10 000 executions on losing side.