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Imagine having Windows installed in 2024. /s
Most people are tech illiterate. Ask them anything but to use a pre installed system or pop in a CD that was given to them (No they can’t burn one themselves) and they’ll fail
With all the UI changes on every version in the last few years that simply isn’t true. Windows is becoming harder and harder to use even if you know what you are doing, much less if you don’t know half the computer related terminology.
Actually, not really. It’s becoming more like what a smart device would look/feel, which is what most people are accustomed to anyway by now. Sure, options and settings get removed left and right, but that is not a concern for your every day Joe. They just need something to do their taxes in or watch a movie or play a few dumb clips on YT, that’s it. Oh and of course it comes preinstalled with the computer, so they can do all that out of the box, great!
You ask any person that uses MS Office whether they like the pre-2007 menu layout (1997-2003) of Office or the new (post-2007) menu layout, you’ll always get the same answer, the post-2007 is better. Why? I really have no idea, but they say it’s better. Maybe it’s the thing with the icon buttons, or just having a ribbon with the most used tools, IDK. My point is, LibreOffice uses the pre-2007 classical layout. For most people, this is confusing. I find it simple and elegant, the way a GUI text/spreadsheet editor should look and feel. But, than again, I’m with computers since I was a kid, so drop down menus are not a new thing for me. People rarely use any menu that’s not a full screen one (or at least one that’s big enough to take away at least half the screen). Why? IDK, but I think smart devices are to blame for that.
options and settings get removed left and right,
That is bad but what bothers me more is that they get moved every time they publish a new version and for no real reason considering the average person won’t access them anyway.
They want even those power users that are used to tweaking the OS to not tweak the OS and just get used to the new defaults (whatever they might be). A perfect example being no thin taskbar in Win11. Why? IDK, you tell me 🤷. Not everyone has a FullHD monitor (I don’t), but hey, maybe you need to buy a new one 😒. Consumerism maybe behind this, but I can’t be certain.
In any case, most users will eventually get accustomed to the new defaults. Very few users will say “f this” and switch to another OS and they don’t actually care about those users, cuz they would have switched eventually anyway (if it wasn’t for this, some other thing most probably).
Unfortunately, Windows becoming better and better. You can literally run Linux while running Windows (that’s why coders still use Windows) and now you can even remove pre installed bloatware. Can you imagine? They even copy KDE look!
Imagine having a CD in 2024 /s
Until I saw the /s I felt extremely old
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No, that’s ChromeOS. Windows still assumes some knowledge that you may take for granted, but someone who’s never used a computer before might not know.
Not gonna lie I have no fucking clue what ChromeOS is
It’s the OS on Chromebooks
Not gonna lie I didn’t know Chromebooks were a thing up until now, let alone ever assume they’d have their own OS.
thank you
I’m a little surprised considering their aggressive as campaigns, the fact they’ve existed for over 10 years and that their market share is higher than the mac’s
It’s called not keeping up with technology in general since a decade ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
Seriously when I tell people I’m tech illiterate I mean it. I can’t tell ya what all the different devices mean and I got introduced to Linux because I once had to recover data from my broken Windows computer 5-6 years ago and my pal gave me a disk. That was Ubuntu of all things too!
I’m basically an old grandma lmaoo
Personally I’m not tech illiterate; I’m just too lazy to reboot every time I want to hop on the decks and do some DJing or music production. Or play one of the few games that won’t run on Linux. Or watch something in HDR.
I wish there was a way to instantly jump back and forth between OSes with a key combo, without having to resort to any sort of VM fuckery. Like how for a brief moment in the 90s you could buy an expansion card for your Mac that was an entire Windows PC on a single board. You do exactly what I described: instantly go back and forth between Mac and PC without having to close any programs. We should find a way to make that a thing again.
Regarding DJing, there is support now for quite a few MIDI DJ controllers in Linux, you should look and see if yours is supported 😉.
Doubtful. It hasn’t received neither a driver nor a firmware update since 2015, and new DJ hardware is expensive, so…
Ummm… those are exactly the kind of devices that actually DO work in Linux 😂. Legacy hardware support is one of the things that Linux is know for.
Even if it never worked in Linux before? I’ll have to check it out. It would be nice to be able to use the latest version of Serato DJ without having to buy new hardware. (SDJ works in WINE, right? Is WINE even still a thing or have we evolved beyond that?)
Serato DJ should work in Wine fine. Wine is more active as a project now than it ever was, thanks to Valve’s Proton, which is bascially a Wine fork aimed at gaming on Linux through Steam. But, they push changes upstream (the Wine project), so Wine is really going fast forward now, they’re up to version 8.something now, which is a big jump, considering it was at version 5 only a few years ago and that the project has been around for about 2 decades.
Regarding DJ controllers and Wine… that might be a bit tricky, but it’s worth a shot 🤷. Might require some manual library overrides or setups, but if the controller is supported in Linux (works fine with, let’s say, Mixxx or Transitions DJ), it should be able to work in Wine as well.
The easy solution for that is a kvm switch. You have two pcs, and switch between them with a button press, keeping the same mouse, keyboard and monitor.
Best use is for personal PC and work laptop, but if you specifically want to switch between linux and windows pcs, then it should be fine if you use that.
Yeah but I don’t want two PCs. The PC room gets hot enough as-is. I have to turn off the heat when doing a resource-intensive task to keep the room from heating up to 80°F! In January!
Not to mention the costs. Upfront and the increased power bill. No way am I buying a second 4090 and having one PC using up 150w+ sitting idle while I’m using the other one. Out of my budget.
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Because maybe I want to game on multiple OSes?
This argument is getting out of control. All I want is a some technology to come around that lets me switch between OSes instantly without rebooting or building a second PC. That was my original point. We’re going off on a tangent, here.
The point is that this is Linux community and majority understand that there is basically no reason in using Windows. But there are proprietary exceptions like games and stuff. I don’t have Windows on my machine for years and I’m perfectly fine without it.
I’m not talking about “most people”, because they all have been brainwashed by Microsoft and will refuse in adopting anything different than Windows. It comes pre installed basically everywhere.
Stop enabling normies, make them become tech literate or send them back to the stone-age (preferable).
That’s not enabling, it’s just how people are… most people anyway. They won’t become tech literate of you send them to computer classes or tell them they need to learn stuff. Most people are lazy when it comes to using their brain. It’s just how things are 🤷.
You don’t sound so bad for pushing 120!
You guys have windows partitions?
I keep dual windows on laptop for rare occasions cuz I don’t like dealing with passthrough for special USB cables that require their own drivers on VMs
Yep, pretty much the same reason, just have to use it, mostly because of software that interacts with hardware, in one way or another.
USB cables require drivers? 👀
Well USB to serial port to some weird custom 6 pin connector for a certain machine.
Or car data link adapter
The ports do, it’s just that they’re built in every kernel nowadays.
I do. I wanted to finish something there that I couldn’t easily move to Linux. A DVD project using files scattered accross the system in DVDStyler. I didn’t notice DVDStyler works on Linux.
Now I am basically keeping it due to sunk cost fallancy. It has lots of menus and videos, plus some of them I cut myself. But I don’t even remember where I ended. There was also something about color limitation in menus I wanted to fix. I last shut it down during an update about 2-3 years ago.
But who knows, maybe later at some point…But I could really use those extra 400GB. I only have 15GiB free right now…
Not on bare metal, for this reason
Always use a condom to interface your bare metal and windows.
Need for interacting with hardware, so yeah, have it on bare metal, plus in a VM.
Any reason you can’t just pass the hardware through to the vm?
Because it needs SATA emulation (needs to communicate natively with SATA devices), and that’s still not a thing in KVMs as far as I know.
I installed one when I made my first Linux PC last month in case I needed to use Windows for anything that wouldn’t work fine enough on Linux.
One month later and I still haven’t used it for anything. I think I may have underestimated how fleshed out the Linux ecosystem is these days.
I’ve been delaying moving my root arch patition from my HDD to overwrite my old windows install on my SSD for months.
I feel like the potential problems that that could cause aren’t worth the better loading times from the SSD.
Skill issue. Can’t click a Windows entry if you don’t have one!
Can’t click on Windows, if have no Windows 😏
You use your mouse for GRUB?
Me with only linux installed: not a problem i face, no
Yesss, Linux gang for the win!
Ah old days… I used to boot into Windows 10 just for gaming but when Valve’s Proton matured to the point that all my games could work on Linux I very happily nuked it out of existence. But yeah if someone plays Fortnite or needs Adobe products then you still can’t do much unfortunately.
Only problem is gamepass
I only played via Steam so I wouldn’t know. I hear it’s a good deal, but I’ve made it a point to not accept such good deals from BigTech. Have gotten screwed over too many times. Remember when Google Photos allowed unlimited storage?
Then piracy it will be. For now it’s more convenient than piracy.
I don’t do either, but I still need Windows. Some software just needs native communication with hardware devices and wine is still not there yet.
That’s what virtualization is for.
You can’t have native SATA support with virtualization… at least not that I’m aware of… and I need that.
Doesn’t that trip anticheats?
Just hold the power button until it gets quiet.
… shush, don’t fight it, it will be over soon.
I always imagine this when hard rebooting any device
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Oh yeah, deleting partition tables always felt a bit like (mini) scorched earth past-denying genocide. Gone but not forgotten. But also mostly forgotten. Nevertheless you legacy will live onwards through volume labels that I always use.
I know, I know… we were just not meant to be, sorry…
It could be installing updates
You are right, but I always risk it (restore points work most of the time anyway).
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Unless u have a ntfs shared drive which gets locked by windows if u don’t restart…
One of the main reasons why I let ot boot all the way. If nothing else, it’ll mark the partition as dirty 😒. Sure, I can
sudo mountmy way into it, but I really have no idea if everything’s OK with it. So, I have to reboot, boot into Windows, mark the partition for a consistency check, reboot, boot into Windows again so it could do the check, then reboot again and (finally!) boot into Linux 😒… I mean, just let it boot all the way the first time, it’ll be over rather quickly.deleted by creator
Really? I think it shows the files as locked, but you can actually do whatever in root 🤔.
In either case, it’s just more painless to actually let it boot all the way than to interrupt the boot process.
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lol 🤣. Good info though 👍, I will have it in mind.
Oh yeah, I’ve had that happen to me (only the one time, like a decade ago), once I realized what gives I solved it easily with GParted ‘repair’ or something like that (iirc?).
Edit: ohh, I think it was a (full distro) live-boot CD that I used.
I haven’t booted into my windows 10 drive in months, I fear the amount of updates it will force apon me if I accidentally do.
I was in that situation a while ago, so I booted in to try and keep it up to date. Well, in reality I booted into recovery mode as it decided to die. Anyway I’m now duel booting arch and tumbleweed
Use Windows Update Blocker to block them.
remove windows if you’re not using it
I’m not into programming, and I’m an LGBTQIA Ally. Just genuinely curious. Are 90% of Linux users really young white femboys with anime body pillows? Or is Lemmy just a heavily skewed demographic?
It’s mostly just a stereotype. I know plenty of young white femboys who use Windows, and I’m a Linux user who is young and white but definitely not a femboy. I would say 90% of Linux users probably know how to program though.
Or at least are very friendly with the terminal and know all sorts of scripting languages… which is not that far from programming either.
I think only 60% linux users know how to program
Not so young anymore (🥲), not a femboy and no body pillows here. Been using Linux for almost 20 years now. More than 10 exclusivly Linux.
The young, single, femboys just has more time to creat more memes.
these comments always remind me how small the amount of my peers here probably is. i wonder how many other lemmy users have cooked crack
✌️… not proud of it though… and it was heroin, not crack.
It’s just Lemmy!
Dual booters are fem-boys with anime body pillows.
Those brave enough to take the full plunge and single boot Linux are fem-men with anime body pillows.
No… The true Linux users are white, mid-40 men who only use Arch Linux on an old Thinkpad and who will comment “I use Arch BTW” under a video with a random dog eating a ball just to prove that the dog should use Arch as well, because it is objectively better than anything else.
Yeah, that’s what I said. Fem-men with anime body pillows.
I use Arch BTW
You just made my day better, I had to laugh. Thank you ;)
To extend your statistical research I’m a GNU/LINUX. user, i have never watched an anime, I’m white, extremely racist and a lgbtqia hater.
I hate that I had to check your history to see if you were joking
judging by lots of comments in !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone I’m going yes
My impression of linuxmemes (what’s the lemmy word for subreddit?) is mostly that it feels like the regular posters don’t use Linux. Either that, or it is automated and reposting stuff from 10-20 years ago that isn’t very accurate or relevant.
We call the comms, short for communities 😉.
Heavily skewed demographic IMO. LGBTQ+ supportive liberals is what makes most of it, but I would bet that there are republican IT workers out there (or rightists, in general, if not from the US) or users that maybe like most of what the right has to offer, just don’t agree with everything all the way, like let’s say libre software.
And I stole the meme, I wouldn’t have used that image for the meme, I’m in no way into anime 😂. Sure, Akira and legendary stuff like that, but that’s just a really good movie TBH, it doesn’t matter if it’s anime or not.
No, but I find it funny, so I am willing to propagate that myth. We are also all furries, you forgot that part.
LGBT people are over-represented in IT, as it is less judgemental of such things compared to many other professions. Also, people who had to hide their identity, or question it, or read more about such hard to access topics, probably learned how to use the internet, and may have even developed an interest in fields like privacy and digital equality.
As for anime, Japan (and China, Korea etc.) are major electronics manufacturers and designers, so their culture has influenced the internet, and particularly the more nerdy parts of it.
But there are plenty of people with very different political views in the Linux community, from RMS’s infocommunism to Eric Raymond’s right-libertarianism.
How?
No dual boot here, Windows is confined to a VM. Even in the ancient times I had dual boot, last century, Linux was always the default.
There’s also the possibility of selecting the last booted OS by default instead of a specific entry
I’m glad I never found that option. ;)
That is all good and fine, unless you need it to interact with hardware, which I do.
Then still you can set Linux as default. Lilo had an option to reboot with an option to set a 1 time default. (that was neat) On dual boot hardware, I always set the one I want to default boot, which is in my case always Linux. (must still have a dual boot laptop somewhere)
Linux is my first option, I just need to have a second (Windows). And grub also has the boot once thing, but it doesn’t work with BTRFS 🤷.
I don’t trust btrfs. Software that relies on not breaking is b0rken in my opinion. (Unless they finally fixed that)
Yeah, it doesn’t break any more. Rock solid the past few years, not a single problem.
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Windows is installing update 2 of 48…
Yeah, that was back in the WinVista/7/8/8.1 days, it doesn’t show the number of updates any more. Plus, a lot of the updates are cumulative, they abandoned their earlier model.
And, I have to admit, the update process is a lot faster now and a lot less error prone.
it doesn’t show the number of updates
Huh didn’t think of that.
Admittedly, when you run apt-update on a freshly installed system, you get a whole lot more updates. But at least they finish in a a few seconds, compared to Windows’s somewhere between now and the end of time. Who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The are no forced updates ever, no forced restarts, and by golly no multiple restarts.
Admittedly, good point. I completely forgot by now how annoying the experience was :)
That just doesn’t happen to me.
I use rEFInd.
That also doesn’t happen to me.
The last time I had Windows installed anywhere was around 15 years ago.
People are still using GRUB to dual boot? It’s not 2010 anymore. systemd-boot is the objectively superior choice.
I just unplug the exposed SATA cable from one ssd and plug it into the other SSD. I am the bootloader
Is systemd-boot a bootloader?
It’s a boot manager, technically.
How does it compare to refind?
Good for people that use systemd… what about the rest of us…
All six of you Luddites? You figure it out.
You should really take a closer look at the Void user base…
Loud doesn’t mean numerous. Ubuntu, Mint, Debian, Fedora, Arch, and Manjaro take up almost all of the desktop install market.
Yeah, and it’s a big market… all 6% of it.
My point was, systemd is not the only init system, there are others. Just because it’s used by over 90% of the Linux distros out there, doesn’t mean it’s the only one, thus offering a solution that is tied to systemd is not exactly a solution. Grub already has it figured out, why complicate things further.
laughs in rEFInd
also systemd-boot is just worse GRUB, CMV
I have no desire to engage with an objectively incorrect view. However, you are the second person to mention refind which I am unfamiliar with and I’m intrigued.
systemd-boot is GRUB but without customization and fewer supported features (LLVM root etc). What more is there to say?
rEFInd is (as the name implies) an EFI bootloader that, on every boot, scans all attached storage devices for a bootable partition and presents all those found in a boot menu with a quite nice graphical theme
does systemd-boot require a distro that runs systemd or is it just the name
It’s part of systemd, just for those that use it.
