• taiyang@lemmy.world
    1402·
    11 months ago

    My pro move is too change halfway in the same clip so at some point the orientation is just wrong no matter what you do. I also do diagonal shots.

    I’m not allowed to film anymore.

    • daltotron@lemmy.world
      81·
      11 months ago

      Legitimately I do think being kind of, orientation agnostic, seems like a decent idea. I’ve seen it done well before in things like webtoons, where the sort of “line of action”, as it were, can benefit from bouncing from one side of the screen to the other, and where a variety of composition techniques can make a shot look more interesting and be properly readable in either viewing orientation. I think a conflict kind of naturally comes about when you’re just wanting to shoot everything to be completely in line with the floor so it’s easily parsed by the viewer, which is understandable, but kind of limits how interesting and efficient you can make your shots.

      Also, somebody needs to make some popsockets that actually work, so holding your phone horizontally for more than five minutes doesn’t suck garbage doo doo.

      • TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee
        1·
        11 months ago

        I unironically wish that modern videos could change FPS, aspect ratio, and resolution on the fly. There’s way too many cases where having a 16:9 section of a video followed by a cinematic section is useful, and black bars are an awful way of transitioning between the two. Same can be said for vertical and horizontal ratios in the same video.

        • daltotron@lemmy.world
          1·
          11 months ago

          we might get there with AI and maybe some auto-editing recutting software at some point (or just with fancuts, if IP law ever gets better), where the aspect ratio can be redone for a specific cut of the film, but I don’t think it’s ever gonna get to the point where you’d be better off watching something on a 16:9 monitor if it was meant for 4:3, unless you’re really dead set on redoing all the shot composition so everything isn’t confined endlessly to the center of the screen.

          realistically our best bet would’ve been to just film everything in the same aspect ratio, which I thought would be the case after we all collectively decided to fuck ourselves, and very slowly migrate from 4:3 and your other postage stamp aspect ratios, to 16:9, over the course of like 50 years and over the course of different mediums. but apparently we can’t have that, and we just have to get increasingly longer and longer aspect ratios because phone manufacturers suck. it’s been like a century and change since we started filming stuff and everyone still just treats it like pictures on a camera, where it’s all up to uncompromising artistic integrity.

          hate that shit.

          • TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee
            1·
            11 months ago

            The thing is each aspect ratio has its merits for productivity, so 16:9 can’t be an end-all be-all.

            Also, what I’m talking about is different from what you’re talking about. If source footage was shot in 2 aspect ratios, and both are used in a YouTube video or movie, it should be possible to label video segments with their correct aspect ratio. Right now, a single video can only have 1 aspect ratio, so if a video was formatted for 21:9 with some source footage being 16:9, if you were to watch that video on a 16:9 monitor, you’d see black bars on the top, bottom, left, and right of your screen despite the video segment being 16:9. If you watch WandaVision on a 16:9 or 4:3 monitor, you’ll understand what I mean.

            • daltotron@lemmy.world
              1·
              11 months ago

              So would you want to stop watching a video on one monitor, and then pick up where you left off on a different monitor with a different aspect ratio? That seems like a lot of hoopla to me, a lot of rigamarole. I do agree though, that should be a function.

              • TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee
                1·
                11 months ago

                Not necessarily. I am saying that instead of a video being 16:9 while containing a 16:10 clip, the video should be 16:9 for most of it and 16:10 for the segment with the clip. There would be fewer black bars during playback because the computer would interpret different frames of video as being in different aspect ratios.

  • 📛Maven@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    1071·
    11 months ago

    I still do. Phones can be turned to view it either way. Screens can’t. I’m not gonna ask my bud to get up and rotate his living room TV 90 degrees so we can look at my vacation photos. Plus, until we learn to levitate with our minds, the plane humans interact is and will presumably remain much, much wider than it is tall, so landscape captures more of it.

    • cyberpunk007@lemmy.world
      195·
      11 months ago

      Yup. It’s a shame the camera lense can’t like rotate or something, phones are much easier to hold vertically.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
          51·
          11 months ago

          The weight is more evenly distributed if you hold it vertically. I still hold it horizontally though.

          • aulin@lemmy.world
            1·
            11 months ago

            I don’t know. If I balance the phone on my pinky, with the index finger on top and ring- and middle finger behind, it sits very solidly. My thumb is then free to tap the shutter button.

          • mamotromico@lemmy.ml
            7·
            11 months ago

            Why is that? Most phones allow you to press the shutter with the volume button so it should be easy either way

            • cyberpunk007@lemmy.world
              2·
              11 months ago

              I usually change settings, my phone is big. Like depending on the scenario I might change my frame rate on the video or the optical zoom. I find it too difficult with a pixel 6 pro and my hand size. Also I use rotation lock because it’s annoying if I’m laying down to have it rotate on me. So then I also need to tap the icon in the lower corner to rotate it, or disable it while I take a video. Lots of mucking about for one hand.

              • aulin@lemmy.world
                1·
                11 months ago

                That’s true, but I find it just as difficult to access those features onehanded in vertical orientation, so I either do those twohanded before shooting, or I struggle about as much to reach them in either orientation.

      • stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml
        43·
        11 months ago

        I suspect that the sensor has the same dimensions, roughly, as the phone itself. Putting in a square one would probably cost more. Not saying that either way is right, just that that’s probably the reason.

        • someguy3@lemmy.world
          4·
          11 months ago

          Lenses are circular, so the most cost effective would be a square sensor and square picture. I don’t actually know what modern sensors are though.

    • SpiceyDejarik@lemm.ee
      24·
      11 months ago

      I think it depends on your intended audience. If what you’re filming is meant to be viewed on a phone, then vertical makes sense. If the video is meant to be viewed on a TV, movie screen, or computer monitor, then rotate your phone.

    • takeda@lemmy.world
      1143·
      11 months ago

      I was mocking too, but things changed when a phone became the device to play back videos. At this point the orientation didn’t matter as much.

      It got to the point that some services, like YouTube shorts pretty much mandate vertical orientation.

        • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works
          23·
          11 months ago

          I actually prefer them to landscape because like a growing amount of people I only watch YouTube on the right side of my screen and use the left for work, drawing, or if course internet browsing and chat windows.

        • AltheaHunter@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          612·
          11 months ago

          You don’t always need to use every bit of screen real estate. The goal is watching videos, not min-maxing monitor usage.

      • Anemia@lemmy.worldEnglish
        57·
        11 months ago

        How is this controversial. If its made to be viewed on a phone then I don’t see the reason to film hoizontally. Epecially the type of content that most people seem to make on like tiktok etc. seems better in vertical view.

          • Anemia@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            11 months ago

            I mean I don’t perticularly like the content of any of those apps (lemmy is the only real social media i use). But that doesn’t change the fact that they are using the correct format for the job.

            • ramirezmike@programming.dev
              2·
              11 months ago

              don’t get me wrong, I agree. Furthermore, despite the problems with apps like TikTok, I do think there’s an incredible amount of amazing content created on that platform. It can be such a showcase of the creativity of the average person, it just sucks that it’s pretty objectively terrible in multiple ways.

        • Sl00k@programming.dev
          12·
          11 months ago

          Lemmy definitely showing its older age skew here lol. Almost anything related to any social media will be better vertical. (Even lemmy itself ironically)

          Hell the vertical video trend on TikTok this year was a phenomenal trend and I even recall seeing A24 doing a vertical trailer cut just for TikTok.

  • dustyData@lemmy.world
    615·
    11 months ago

    This is why 4:3 should become the default aspect ratio for taking videos on phone.

    No, I will not be taking questions at this moment.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.netEnglish
    49·
    11 months ago

    I still question why so many people find it so difficult to just turn the phone 90 degrees to the side when you film with it. Is it because you think you look like a dork when you film a selfie with two hands? Because that’s not why you look like a dork.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
      82·
      11 months ago

      I usually hold my phone horizontally to shoot video, but it definitely is easier to hold it vertically. After all, it was designed to be held vertically.

    • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works
      43·
      11 months ago

      A lot of the time it’s not that people can’t or are scared to, they just don’t feel the need to because most the video they watch is in vertical format. It’s not being filmed for cinema release, it’s for phones and tablets.

  • Margot Robbie@lemmy.world
    451·
    11 months ago

    Note to self: “2 Fast 2 Barbie”(working title) should now be filmed vertically in order to appeal to Gen Z on Tik Tok.

    • HiddenLayer5@lemmy.mlEnglish
      31·
      11 months ago

      Not really for very short video because 99% of the time you’ll be watching it on your phone which is vertical by default. For long video horizontal is better.

      • RaoulDook@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        11 months ago

        No, 99% of the time I’ll be looking at it on the computer and my monitor is in the natural Landscape orientation

  • Grammaton Cleric@lemmy.world
    351·
    11 months ago

    Ah yes, nothing like seeing a 16:9 picture pan-and-scanned on a portrait display.

    It’s not a generational thing; it’s a filming standard.

  • books@lemmy.world
    337·
    11 months ago

    Shouldn’t you be filming for the device?

    Like tiltok should be vertical and yt should be horizontal?

    • CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world
      40·
      11 months ago

      I’d say you should be filming for the content.

      Someone on a pogo stick in the backyard? Vertically.
      Your pet running around in the backyard? Probably horizontally.
      Your friend planking in the backyard? Definitely horizontally. Not at all, get new friends.

      • crypticthree@lemmy.world
        4·
        11 months ago

        As an artist this is how I’ve always thought about it. Shooting a group of five people vertical is suboptimal. There’s too much wasted frame.

        • variants@possumpat.ioEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          But if all you’re going to use the video for is social media then you’ll have to crop the video and get weird ratio with worse quality. so if it’s for Instagram stories why not just take the video or photo vertical so you know it’ll work.

          • crypticthree@lemmy.world
            1·
            11 months ago

            I don’t really use social media so it doesn’t come up for me often. Nevertheless, just because a platform forces me to use an orientation doesn’t mean that orientation is a good fit for the subject I’m shooting.

    • Dublin112@lemmy.world
      2520·
      11 months ago

      Until Vine and later tiktok, basically the whole Internet was in the horizontal format and vertical videos would play with huge black boxes on the left and right and in turn you can’t really make out the details of the videos as well because they were so small on those screens. Today’s internet is very different and has things actually designed for vertical videos so complaining about it makes no sense anymore.

      • HughJanus@lemmy.ml
        321·
        11 months ago

        Today’s internet is very different and has things actually designed for vertical videos so complaining about it makes no sense anymore.

        It absolutely makes sense. You can design whatever you want for vertical videos but it makes no difference if the actual content isn’t designed for it.

        How many times have you seen videos with multiple people falling out of frame while simultaneously half the frame consists of ground and sky? Then the camera operator viciously whips back and forth to try to capture everything, creating a jarring fuckin video? How many times do you see TikTokkers trying to contort their bodies so you can actually see what’s going on in the image behind them? What difference does the size of resolution of the image make when half of it is consumed by nothing important?

            • fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de
              12·
              11 months ago

              Once you’ve got everything you can just crop to where the action is happening later, as well as chose a different aspect ratio if need be

              • HughJanus@lemmy.ml
                1·
                11 months ago

                Crop it? Sooo then you’re just back to horizontal but at a significantly degraded resolution…

                • fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de
                  11·
                  11 months ago

                  Not really. Most phones can film in 4k and most services compress it to absolute shit anyway nowadays. You’re not losing much but cropping first

        • maddenim@lemmy.world
          411·
          11 months ago

          It’s often hard to adapt already existing horizontal videos into vertical videos, but the current high prevalence of vertical video platforms create incentive to create better editing tricks. I personally am often surprised how they accommodate for these situations now a days

    • 𝒍𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒏𝒏@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      2·
      11 months ago

      It slightly annoys me when looking for YT vids on a subject and the results are full of 10 second vertically filmed shorts 🤦‍♂️. Some are fine in some cases I guess, but the majority are just noise IMO

    • Floey@lemm.ee
      1·
      11 months ago

      You should be filming for your subject and media devices should be built around common filming aspect ratios. A phone camera’s aspect ratio should be practical for capturing typical content, a phone screen’s aspect ratio should mirror phone cameras, I think this is already approximately the case. Phones are somewhat unique compared to say a TV because they can easily be viewed vertical and horizontal, so really they have two aspect ratios.

      I think the vertical photo and video phenomenon is more a symptom of how we use our devices. People are rapid fire swiping through media which means the majority aspect ratio is going to push the minority one out, which is why landscape is dead. Another reason I believe is people switching between apps, Tiktoking at the same time they use other social media for example, and often those apps are way more practical in portrait.