And hopefully no instance will federate with them… Right?
Couldn’t just some of y’all defed instead of blocking it wholesale for everyone?
I thought one of the main perks of federation was user choice?
Well, that’s what has always been mentioned, defederated from them, AFAIK there’s no way of blocking it completely from the fediverse, so if your instance’s admin wants they can decide to not block them and you can interact with meta.
If your instance defederates and you want to still see their activity then you can choose an instance which is still federated with them.
The annoying thing is that some people demand to defederate from instances that don’t defederate
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Yeah and we choose you going somewhere else to play with Facebook.
That’s true this place could really use less users.
This place is growing just fine already, we don’t need to dump 141 million new accounts into it overnight.
That’s not how federation and mastodon works, and you know that very well.
Simply don’t follow anyone on threads if you don’t wanna see thread content. But who TF cares where the content comes from?
Embrace, extend, extinguish. They’ll play nice with the Fediverse for a while. Maybe years. But then they’ll introduce a new feature to the Fediverse as a “good will gesture”. Then they’ll make features available to only people federated with Threads. Then they’ll make features only people on Threads can see. And so on and so forth. We SHOULD care where the content comes from. Platforms that are neutral should be where our content comes from.
You’re just describing how the fediverse works. One social network that is partially comparable with another network. Like subscribing to pixelated from mastodon, etc. not all features are available, but some are. Not only is there no such thing as a neutral platform, but the decentralization of mastodon and the fediverse in general is specifically to address that.
The danger of meta is their data scraping - something they can already do anyway without their own servers being federated.
I care. If I start seeing content from Meta in the fediverse I’ll probably just leave.
Why? Why are humans who use threads so repulsive to you that you leave an entire federated social network just because some people used a particular server?
Right??
Tell that to this guy
Mhm, just because John Mastodon embraces Meta doesn’t mean that I have to like it.
The great Mastodon.social itsself would federate they wrote some blogs back when threads anounced activitypub integtation
Why would they if they want the Fediverse to grow. Gatekeeping is awful.
Infinity grow is a mirage. We need to understand that. It’s fine if a social media as a limit.
What’s important is how you manage to keep it in life. Even here, you have a limit. It’s conservative to think that it will last for ever as you will encontre the same issue as with infinite grow.
The fact is that thing appear, have a lifespan and die. Social media aren’t immune to it.
I don’t want the fediverse to grow if it has anything to do with Meta.
This is a bad take.
Worth noting that Meta through threads currently plans to collect and monetize the data of all users that it federates with.
Worth noting. Anyone could already be doing this without threads.
IANAL, but I’m not sure that’s legal everywhere facebook operates.
Capitalists don’t care if something is legal or not. Just how much the fine will impact their bottom line. And if anyone can prove it. I 100 percent guarantee you that every major tech company is technically in violation of the GDPR etc. it’s just a matter of whether or not it will ever be provable enough to be actionable.
The data is out there. Meta does not need threads to scrape it is the basic thing to take away.
that’s even worse than I imagined it :O
They don’t need to federate to do that.
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In how far? I think it is actually a valid criticism of a very strongly opinionated take.
To be fair, get fucked?
I think that’s a pretty fair response to shilling for corps.
I wholeheartedly agree
Hi. No one is creating content on Threads, can we steal your content, please?
Meh. Threads is quite busy on my feed. I loved chatting during Doctor Who just like I used to when Twitter was around. I use Lemmy, Mastodon, and Threads, personally. I find Threads to be super wholesome and positive and it can only help the Fediverse thrive with mainstream users much like Gmail did with email.
Gmail did with email.
That might be the worst example you could have chosen, given that Gmail is largely responsible for the current technical impossibility of self hosted email.
how is self hosted email impossible? I do it. outlook and thunderbird exist.
Um. I’m not one of those who downvoted you, but are you sure you understand the difference between hosting email, and running a client?
well if you are talking about actually self-hosting a mail server, then gmail didn’t prevent that isp’s did.
and downvotes mean nothing since my instance doesn’t have them.
It had nothing to do with ISPs. Here’s a good writeup on the topic
Lol.
I think most here have come here to avoid big tech companies. Reddit has become bad and beyond the pale. Facebook, and Meta companies are not good for privacy, and many wouldn’t like to promote them or have their content building those platforms up. Eventually, you become the thing you hate.
Same, bro, same.
It’s really weird the stuff people here get emotional over.
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I’m not. :)
Maybe it’s an opportunity to convince them otherwise?
Threads federation is mostly targeted towards Mastodon than Lemmy, so I highly doubt it will make much of a difference whether any Lemmy instance federates or not, since Lemmy is purely group based and does not federate well with even Mastodon to begin with as there is a huge difference in design philosophy. (Which means I can stay under the radar a bit longer.)
However, I don’t think Facebook will stop at Threads, they are using Threads as a preliminary test, and if it goes well, I think the next step they could do is to get Instagram itself to federate.
So here is a thought: suppose reddit or Instagram are open to federation, would you say federating with them and getting all their content will be worth it?
No
Seconded, I’ll leave the fediverse if that happens. I want nothing to do with those sociopathic corporations.
And this is why lemmy will never overtake reddit. Literally the satanic panic, because some users might be posting on some other platform.
It’s not a competition, quality over quantity. I don’t want anything to do with corporate social media, it’s a disease.
Except lemmy isn’t some “high quality social media”. It’s the same thing, with users that act the same.
It has much less corporate influence and the user base is self-selecting for people who give a shit enough to seek that out.
Yeah, so? The independent servers / instances will still be here. Worst thing that can happen is it goes back to what it was before.
Oh my gosh it’s Margot Robbie
That’s esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress/Lemmy powermod Margot Robbie to you!
Hot damn
RIP open and user owned Internet movement attempt.
Say Hello to Fediverse+, for only $39.99 a month you can access ad free browsing as your feed is fed only corpo approved posts that have flooded and drowned out any alternative voices.
I’m don’t totally understand the fediverse and how it works. How does meta making one of their options federated harm the rest of the fediverse?
Wow, this shit needs to be posted everywhere.
It was for a good few weeks
Longer user know about it. It’s good to post it time to time (as a reminder or not) so people know about it.
There is zero benefit to engaging with multi-billion dollar companies.
The harm is they embrace, extend, extinguish the Fediverse and I can easily see the W3C letting them donate and start putting in some features “to protect” the children or media ownership rights or whatever bogus excuse they’ll use to start cracking down on it like every company does every time it gets involved in something.
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More companies is the opposite of beneficial for the Internet.
We need a people oriented Internet.
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Growth is already steady, and the more these companies shoot themselves in the foot the more large migration waves we get.
Slightly speeding up an already naturally occurring process doesn’t seem worth the risks of allowing corps into our spaces.
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Facebook didn’t kill XMPP, how would they kill the existing alternatives?
Facebook didn’t kill XMPP
That’s 'cause Google did.
I still use xmpp.
It is just mostly dead.
It was never big. Dead is relative.
And so it begins…Embrace.
Has mastodon blocked threads? Please block it. Kill that shit and hope thread will take zuckerberg out too.
Mastodon.social admin and lead mastodon dev Eugen Rochko signed an NDA with Facebook and has since been in support of Threads’ embrace of the Fediverse and asked people to give Facebook a chance. We won’t know if he’s made some deal (monetary or otherwise) with Facebook due to aformentioned NDA.
Many instances of the fediverse are anti-Threads despite his shilling though.
Shit! That’s sucks. Out of curiosity , can fb ever own fediverse?
No, but they can poison it. Luckily, it is possible to block their servers.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Joining the fediverse — the decentralized world of social media that includes Mastodon, Pixelfed, and other services that all interoperate through ActivityPub — has been on the Threads team’s to-do list since the very beginning.
Instagram head Adam Mosseri told The Verge in July that he believed decentralizing the platform was key to making it relevant to a new generation of creators.
Skeptics have long held that Threads would never actually federate, even as Zuckerberg, Mosseri, and others at Meta kept promising they would.
For the largest and most centralized social service on the web, suddenly throwing open the gates to other platforms seemed like an unlikely pivot.
This test appears to only cover one small part of a truly federated social network — it doesn’t sound like you’ll be able to post from Mastodon to Threads, for instance, and you can’t move your account between services.
But the test at least reaffirms Meta’s commitment to ActivityPub and to being part of the broader open social web.
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Fuck SuckerBurg all my homies hate Suckerburg
Fuckerberg
The big Zuck
Best way to centralize the decentralized network.
Threads is a failed platform. It isn’t like they’re adding federation to Facebook.
I’m all for it. People can defederate if they need to, but I’m all for just letting it happen. If I have friends on threads but I don’t wanna join, cool.
Let’s all tone down the snobbery.
Fuuuuuuuck that.
