• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    It’s only going to get worse.

    In a few years you’ll have an entire generation of adult Palestinians that have lived under blockade in an open-air Gaza prison. It’s an apartheid and Israel is an apartheid state.

    Treating people with that kind of barbarism creates a lot of anger and a lot of people are going to think they don’t have anything to lose by fighting back.

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      Haven’t they been living in an open air prison since about 1948? I’m pretty sure they’re working on the 4th generation to grow up in those conditions.

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        Yes, but it’s grown progressively much worse, particularly since they were blockaded 16 years ago.

        I think the next Osama Bin Laden is currently hanging out somewhere in Palestine, and when they surface in the next decade or two, their manifesto will sound eerily similar to the one OBL wrote about the embargo the US placed on Iraq, which starved millions of people and led to the rise of Al Qaeda.

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          I think Egypt and Israel blockaded the Gaza strip after Hamas won the election ~2006. I think the WB is not blockaded since they have the PA though.

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          Bin Laden was actually a rich Saudi guy that gave up his life of riches to help fight the Afghan Muslims against the Russians who wanted to colonize Afghanistan.

          Then when they defeated the Russians he turned against America because they were colonizing Palestine

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        A lot of people thought the same thing about the Vietnamese. It’s a lot harder these days to wipe out an entire population than it was in the 1800’s, though not for lack of trying.

        Historically nations that have wholly wiped out other nations of people have needed a pandemic that they’re immune to in order to accomplish it.

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    11 months ago

    Like how OP is trying to hype up IDF as if they didn’t lose a slew of tanks to some Hamas fighters literally walking in with RPGs and probably being as old and as competently trained as high-schoolers.

    Eisenhower and Ford are watching in embarrassment as they use a metric ton of the latest in advanced guided weaponry to deal with an insurgency that only has hostages because Mossad was sitting on its ass for a whole year.

    Hamas will get crushed eventually, but I’m surprised they kept up this game for so long with only like 200 hostages. Lockheed’s CEO would probably shake hands with their leader if he could for generating such a huge amount of arms sales.

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    Is there a list of Hamas’ demands published somewhere? Cause I don’t see it in the article…

    I’m genuinely curious as to whether it’s an achievable list of demands vs ludicrous posturing that has no chance of ever being met.

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      Well, in your boot licking eyes, it can only be the latter even if the only demand is “Everyone stops killing people.”

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          No…

          No they didn’t.

          They tried to go for a rebel strike that might make Israel pause and think about their constant ongoing oppression and slaughter, but Papa Biden was there to make sure that didn’t work.

          It wasn’t bad enough that white nation’s went in, stole their land, and displaced them.

          America had been depending on Israel to buy and use their guns and ammunition the whole time through to prop up the military industrial complex and give America a toe-hold across the Pacific.

          Plenty of bootlicking Americans around to deny that long and horrific history though.

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            This is the reason you give for murder and rape of innocent people? This is your justification? You are morally repugnant

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              You are morally repugnant

              As is the IDF and Netanyahu for continuing to murder Palestinians, journalists and innocent children by the thousands.

              And kettling Palestinians in southern Gaza so it’s easier to bomb/kill them.

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                There is no justification for the atrocities committed on Oct 7th. The more I read your tripe the sicker I feel for mankind.

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                  I CAN NOT wait for you to give the justification for what Israel has done to Palestine every day for over 50 years.

                  Hint: Its murder and rape.

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              Israel does that too!

              Has done it consistently for 50 years?

              Do I endorse Hamas fighting fire with fire? No.

              Can I blame Hamas for fighting fire with fire? No.

              Jesus I hate you fucking fruit fly memoried bandwagoning genocidal bastards.

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                Sure chief. Show me where Israelis behead people. Show me where they burn them alive. Get out of here with that false equivalency

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                  Just say it. Just call them savages you want exterminated.
                  You don’t care about death or suffering, you care about how “impure and backwards they are”. To be cleaned for “progress”

                  You’re building up to it, just speak plainly. You want to improve the land of Palestine by clearing out the savages. It’s the genocidal colonial logic you subscribe to. Let people know who you are.

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                  The high explosive does its thing, then the massive highly populated concrete structures dismember them and burn them as they fall in wanton painful and terrifying chaos as it collapses giving them unsanctimonious burials.

                  FUCK OFF YOU GENOCIDAL BOOTLICKER.

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        Lol what the fuck is your problem?

        I ask a question, making me a boot licker. So I guess people who never ask questions, like you, are what… ?

        Fucking trolls is what.

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    Are the demands:

    1. Stop kidnapping our civilians.
    2. Stop relentlessly shelling us (specifically when we are in supposed relative peacetimes).
    3. Again, Stop kidnapping our civilians, stripping them down, and calling them fighters.
    4. Stop forcing our women and children to “evacuate to a safe space”, then mercilessly shelling that place.
    5. Stop destroying our schools and hospitals, murdering everyone there, then calling it a “Hamas center of operations” because armed men were there trying to protect the inhabitants.

    ?

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        Didn’t everyone hear?

        Jews were genocided by Nazis, so Jews get a genocide free pass they have decided to use on Palestine!!!

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    How many hostages has the IDF retrieved so far with their genocide, 1? Sasuga IDF intelligence. Truly “the best out there”.

    There seems to be no reason for Hamas to negotiate since they’re completely in control.

    All israel has done so far is kill innocent civilians.

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      1 out of 200? So you’re saying they need to genocide 200 times more to get the rest back? I’m sure they’d say challenge accepted.

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        The IDF is known for killing and abusing their hostages without reason. Hamas isn’t. They only execute hostages when the IDF tries to barge in.

        Which is why the IDF already lost this on Oct7 and should agree to the hostage swap.