• Veedem@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Anyone else remember, in the lead up to the ObamaCare vote, when the GOP used the idea of government officials (death panels) deciding who should get treatment and who should die as a fear mongering tactic?

    My my my how the turns have tabled.

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      It’s ok when multi billion dollar insurance companies do it when they decide which med they’re going to pay for.

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      There have ALWAYS been death panels. There are death panels RIGHT NOW.

      They’re occupied by insurance corporations balancing the profit from your premiums and the cost of your treatment. Is it cheaper to let someone die? Can we save the life so they will continue to pay premiums? Can we deny treatment without a media circus that makes us look bad? If there IS a media circus, will they die soon enough that everybody forgets?

      I would rather take corporate profit out of the equation.

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      Anytime someone says death panels I have a compulsive need to post this:

      Frame Canada: Wendell Potter spent decades scaring Americans. About Canada. He worked for the health insurance industry, and he knew that if Americans understood Canadian-style health care, they might… like it. So he helped deploy an industry playbook for protecting the health insurance agency. https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/925354134/frame-canada

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        This explains so freaking much about how everyone is always terrified of Canadian health care when it works decently well. (Perfect? No!) But so many of their problems in accessing specialists are identical to ours. (Most common argument I hear.)

        And it was just so much easier getting on antidepressants and switching up my birth control methods while I was in Canada than if I had tried the same in the US.

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      The truly hilarious thing is that in several states abortion bans were put on hold precisely because of medical freedom laws passed after Obamacare, which, of course, never had to be used against the fictitious government death panels.

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    Fucking insanity. Nobody but this woman and her fucking doctor should even know about this shit. Unbelievable.

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      I said it in another post but these are the actual Death Panels Sarah Palin ‘fabricated’ (since hers was a huge lie). The government is actually standing between a person who needs care and their doctor.

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      That was what Roe was actually about, the right to medical privacy and patient doctor sovereignty

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        Yup, nobody in the office except the doctor, the patient, whomever the patient trusts enough to authorize their presence, and about 20 people working at an insurance company whom the patient has never met.

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      For every murder the republican politicians are committing…eh…I’ll leave it at that. I can’t talk about the club.

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      I agree, but please add the father in there. Not trying to derail the conversation, but he is losing his child too and the woman he loves’s life is on the line. We do need to start remembering to respect partners during these types of events.

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      Because it’s about controlling women. If a women has a miscarriage or the baby is nonviable in any way the woman must have done something to cause it. So she must be punished, if not legally, than medically. Just look at what’s happening to women that have miscarriages in Ohio. (a state that just enshrined the right to an abortion by popular vote but it’s still controlled by the GOP.) If you live in a read state and are pregnant, leave the state asap. Your life and your babies life is in danger even if you have a pregnancy with no complications.

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    I asked my doctor, you know, best case, how much time she thinks we would have with her. And she said, ‘Could be an hour. Could be a week,’ but that we needed to prepare ourselves to be placing this baby onto hospice. There’s no treatment. So that was very, very hard," Cox said.

    Why bring a life into the world just to suffer and die?

    These laws are beyond cruel. And the authorities are actively fighting to deny justice.

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        How is it not god’s will that the fetus is aborted? I thought eVErYThiNG HApPeNS fOR a rEAsOn & gOd HAs a PLaN

        It’s pretty goddamn arrogant to assume ~that this is what god wants, especially one who is ostensibly a loving god~ you know god’s will when god is something beyond our realm of comprehension*

        *assuming god even exists**

        **you may now shove me in a locker for my prattling on

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          The Christian god was never loving. He has always been an egomaniacal sociopath with an inferiority complex and some mood disorder. Maybe borderline personality disorder. He seems paranoid, controlling, and prone to manipulation and explosive rage when he feels line he has been slighted.

          I may be misremembering the DSM negative characteristic map for BPD though. To anyone with BPD out there reading this, I apologize for making a joke at your expense. I know it is a very difficult mental illness to live with, at least when you recognize what is going on. I have known a few people who did not and it wasn’t pretty for those in their life.

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      I often use pets as an example. We have no problem ending the life of an animal to prevent suffering. But we are unwilling to do the same with fellow humans.

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      Because it’s about controlling women. If a women has a miscarriage or the baby is nonviable in any way the woman must have done something to cause it. So she must be punished, if not legally, than medically. Just look at what’s happening to women that have miscarriages in Ohio. (a state that just enshrined the right to an abortion by popular vote but it’s still controlled by the GOP.) If you live in a read state and are pregnant, leave the state asap. Your life and your babies life is in danger even if you have a pregnancy with no complications.

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      This reminds me of the argument that US police shoot and kill more innocent unarmed white people than they do black people. A. Shut the fuck up, you have no concept of how to normalize statistics so they are meaningfully comparable. B. Why do you seem to be ok, at all, that police officers shoot and kill enough unarmed innocent people every year to even make this point something that is worth discussing?

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    “I’m a Texan. I love Texas. I’m raising my children here. I was raised here. I’ve built my academic career, my professional career here. You know, I plan to stay. And so I want to be able to get access to the medical care that I need, and my daughter to have it as well,” Cox said.

    Yeah I don’t think you are learning anything out of this. Stay in a state that does not care about you. Like a physical abusive relationship.

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      This was my initial reaction as well, but now I’m not so sure. Somebody has to be the public example, and fight this broken system. This has gotten a large amount of national media exposure, and that is ultimately what mobilizes voters. She also seems willing to suffer for her convictions, which is more than most people can say.

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        I saw someone mention Rosa Parks, and it’s the perfect example. Injustice must be fought where it is by individuals who are brave enough to put themselves in harm’s way for it. I have no disdain for people who put themselves and their families ahead of a cause. I’m the same way. But the very least we can do is offer our unconditional support to these heroes.

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        Meh, I don’t think any of this matters. The right in US is winning BIGLY and none of those examples, media exposure or voter mobilization really matters. The right in 4 years of Trump managed to ban abortion and take control of the supreme court for the next, what?, 20 years? 30? Meanwhile, Biden and Democrats just sit there doing nothing. US need urgent reforms of education, healthcare, policing, gun laws, judiciary, political parties financing and many more a none of this will happen. The only things that’s actually changing is that the government gets weaker and corporations get stronger. The only thing this type of activism can achieve is taking half step back while each Republican term the entire country takes 10 big steps forward in the direction of dictatorship. Looking from outside I’m amazed at how bad thing are in US and how little people realize this.

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          Maybe the fact that you’re looking in “from the outside” explains why you’re operating under the misconception that Democrats ever had unchecked power to do any of those things.

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            Like during Obama’s two first years? Forgot about that? Yes, it was some time ago but all the problems were already there and Democrats chose to pussy foot around looking for weak, bi-partisan deals instead of addressing them. That they did very little even when they had full control was exactly why people didn’t go out to vote for Hilary. It’s not that Democrats can’t do anything because they don’t have full control. They don’t have full control exactly because they don’t do anything.

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              When they had a filibuster-proof majority for…checks notes4 months. And they spent those 4 months…checks notestrying to completely overhaul the entire US healthcare system. That is, instead of doing the half-dozen things you mentioned which would have taken literal years of work to push through.

              Fuck off with that revisionist, fantasy-land bullshit. You want Democrats to be full-on fucking dictators who can do whatever they “choose” to do, whenever they “choose” to do it, and they’re not, so when they don’t “choose” to do the shit you personally want, your lizard brain has convinced you they didn’t do it because they “chose” not to. No amount of infantile teeth gnashing changes the way the actual world works, where checks and balances exist. That is, despite whatever the fuck is happening in your imagination.

              Wherever the hell you come from, stay the fuck in your lane.

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                  Willful ignorance tends to have that effect on the people around you.

                  Read more books or something.

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      While I get the sentiment, remember this is part of Republican’s grand plan. If they can make things so bad that liberals largely all concentrate in the likes of CA, NY, MA, IL, OR, WA, CT, RI, and VT, they can guarantee themselves permanent control of the Senate and a massive leg up on the presidency. They get to effectively gerrymander America.

      They have already done this in the likes of Ohio and Florida. These former swing states are now solidly Red.

      Republicans are worried about Texas, though. Republicans cannot take the White House without Texas. But an influx of people and changing demographics are pushing Texas toward purple territory. So they are doing everything to make the state hostile to liberals.

      She is also trying to rally Texans to her side, and if she started saying “this state sucks” she would win less sympathy.

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      Most of the people who are being harmed cannot leave. They are too poor to do so.

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        But many are not. Many live in this shit-stain of a state and instead of voting with their feet, stay and complain.

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          You are just blaming poor people for being poor. That’s who doesn’t vote. Until people have their material needs meet you can fuck right off with your blame bullshit.

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    This was such a gimme for the “pro life” side. Even the moron that is the Ohio AG admitted that a 10 year old rape victim should be able to get an abortion (he just pretended she didn’t exist and refused to admit the vague language of the law wasn’t clear on that.) All he would have had to do is say “of course someone with an unviable pregnancy that carrying to term would jeopardize the mother’s health can get an abortion, we’re not monsters!” That would do more to stem the backlash from Dobbs than anything.

    But, no. Paxton instead makes the case for us. All but the most extreme anti-abortion can see this is cruel. What a raging asshole.

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      Really just gives the game to the side that’s for abortion with no restrictions, now they can just point to this and rub it in that any restrictions are inevitably going to be used as grounds for total restriction.

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    I just started watching the Handmaid’s Take for the first time tonight. JFC, it’s supposed to be fiction, not a blueprint.

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    “Temporarily”. Because their discussions are more important than any human being’s immediate health emergency.

    At this point, it is perfectly reasonable to view conservatives as subhuman. They are incapable of displaying even a tiny hint of humanity. Until there is evidence that they see others as humans, they should be offered no such respect in turn. They are simply a plague of oppression and death.

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      Dehumanization is how Hitler justified and sold his actions. I would recommend against that. The other side is human just the same as you, no matter how monstrous they act.

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          Oh please, like you’re above the fray. Even the way you just worded that comment is tribalistic in nature.

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          2023 centrists out here acting like “leftists wanting access to healthcare and fair wages, and righties working to kill people are equally bad” isn’t it’s own special kind of stupid tribe 😂

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          The whole ingroup vs outgroup aspect has become way too dominant in what used to be politics.

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            If you think this is anything new, you should really look into fascism in the early 20th century.

            I’m not being flippant, you should really research it. You may be surprised to find striking similarities.

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    A victory for Christianity. Every time a woman loses control over her own body or dies from an ectopic pregnancy the Christian blood god is appeased.

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        Hahaha! Such a dumb dog shit people. They would probably wet themselves and ramble on about Jesus blood if he did that. When is the last time anyone heard a talk about Christian morality that wasn’t something a 4 year old could have worked out or a word salad?

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      Ooooo… I like this one! I’m going to start referring to the women who die to this bullshit as blood sacrifices whenever I am talking to the right wing nutjobs in my life.

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      Illinois instead. We actually have programs here to support people from out of state like this woman. In Ohio the legislature is trying to undo the will of the people.

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        That’s over the weed legislation we passed.

        Abortion is protected as a constitutional amendment, and while they threatened some nonsense, it was a completely empty threat and they knew it.

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      Don’t do that. She’ll be arrested for child endangerment and probably some trumped-up charge like mistreatment of a corpse, both for boarding the flight. We aren’t safe here yet.