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If only there’d been a another, good MRI machine with a gun present.
I read this story as the MRI machine being the good guy and successfully defending itself
Firearms should be standard issue for all MRI machines to stop this from happening in the future.
The problem wasn’t that she had a gun, the problem was her non-specific mental illness.
I can see the thinking that lead to this. But in my mind, it boils down to one bad decision after other, concealing the firearm because each step forward carries worse consequences. It’s basically the clown-makeup meme:
- Carry gun around because that’s what I always do.
- Walk into hospital - whoops, I’ll just keep it concealed so I don’t get in trouble. Can’t hand it over to someone either, or leave it in my car; that’s a felony.
- Check in for appointment - can’t back out now, it took forever to get this appointment and there’s a penalty for a no-show.
- Change clothes for MRI - can’t leave my gun lying around, that’s also a no-no and someone could get hurt. I’ll just tuck it… somewhere.
- Walk into MRI exam room - had to say “no” about metal on my person. These medical people are overly careful anyways.
- Actively getting an MRI - what’s the worst that could happen?
Do we need airport-style backscatter x-rays prior to MRI procedures now? In hindsight, it seems like cheap insurance.
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Thank you for the hypothetical explanation. I was utterly unable to figure out how something so insane actually happened. This at least makes some sort of sense.
Just like religion, it starts with an insane belief and snowballs from there.
You’d think a metal detector would be mandatory in all MRI departments before you enter?
It looks like it is on all new or renovated MRIs, which makes this all the more concerning.
imo you could leave the bullets with the clothes and throw the gun in the toilet or something.
It’s bizarre to me that a basic scan with a metal detector wand isn’t required before walking into the MRI chamber.
A bit of trivia: it used to be called NMRI, nuclear magnetic resonance imaging. They dropped the N after it became clear people didn’t want to go in the machine because they were afraid of radiation. That’s why it’s called MRI now.
In Chemistry (where it originated) it is still called NMR. There is no image produced, but a spectrum (graph).
If chemists were worried about nuclear magnetic resonance because of potential radiation, I’d be more worried about those chemists!
Chemists and microbiologists are worried about obscure little things you and I haven’t even heads of. But, oh boy are those things nasty. You know, nightmare stuff like acid that slips through your skin and eats your bones or breathing a single spore that is enough to kill you. Such delightful people to have lunch with.
Can confirm, I regularly rant about HF to unsuspecting non-chemists.
And see this is the kind of reason I’m nervous about actual space travel and think “hard sci-fi” is a lot less fun sometimes.
Fun fact, bringing nmr stuff across borders is very difficult once border security realises N stands for nuclear.
Funny tangential story here.
I used to design electronics. One product is a black box with just a couple of LED lights on the front and an LED display. It also gets inserted into a special socket, from which it gets it’s power. So no power cord and it can only be powered on if we have the much larger thing it gets plugged into. Of course, I needed to power it on to demonstrate it to customers, so I took apart one of the sockets that it goes into, and ran a power cord off of it so I could plug it into the wall (it runs off of ~120 VAC).
I figured to make my life easier, so I didn’t have to constantly plug and unplug it, I would put a switch on it. So I just glued a red switch on the side and wired it all up.
Then I went through airport security with it. Ended up being pulled aside for about an hour as they questioned me about it and scanned the thing damn near 20 times. It was like every TSA agent in the area was watching the scans as it went through. I was talking to the head TSA guy who said “Man, I know you’re fine. However, this is precisely one of the things we are told to look out for: homemade devices with switches on them. Did you have to make it red?” lol
He eventually got some higher up on the phone and it was clear from the one-side of the conversation I heard that the higher up was like “if you think the guy is fine, let him through” and so I was let through. Barely made my flight tho. Glad we got there really early.
Wow what a story. That would be NERVE WRACKING.
I’m glad to hear stories about those kinds of law enforcement folks though.
“Look I’m just trying to make sure everybody’s safe, I don’t think I’m Jack Bauer here.”
Rather than the comical assumption usually perpetrated by Hollywood that you’d be thrown down and have a K9 chewing on your leg and half the airport aiming at you with alarms going off Lol.
Mainly I was nervous that I might miss my flight. The only moment I got a little scared was when the lady first pulled it out, said something like “What is this?” and I went to reach for it to show her. . .and she was like “You can’t touch that!” It was at that point I realized I was going to be delayed getting through security. But for the most part everyone was very nice and unconcerned. It was even comical at times, like when they kept running it through the machine, each time bringing someone else over to look as well.
I was much more nervous when, doing the same type of sales, I got pulled away into customs in Canada, separated from my co-worker, him carrying all of the information, with no cell phone because my phone didn’t work up there. At least that time we were smart enough to send the equipment ahead of us. lol
Ah, the same kind of people who are worried about phone radiation while spending days roasting on the beach every summer.
As she was about to enter the machine, the gun was attracted to the powerful magnet inside it and fired off a single round into and through her right buttock. Luckily, the bullet barely penetrated her skin and the doctor on site described her entry and exit wounds as “very small and superficial.”
There is no way the MRI wasn’t damaged. Other hospital go’ers will be footing that bill. She should be garneshed wages for the rest of her life until those repairs are paid.
“Lucky” would be the bullet being lodged in her body, doing no further damage except to her idiot self so she would learn her lesson without impacting others.
This person took a loaded gun into a hospital, and then into the giant magnet room. Not sure they’re capable of learning any kind of lesson.
Your comment started quite the debate here. Everyone needs to slow down and realize there’s insurance on the machine and the insurance even covers morons with guns. Might the insurance company go after her? Sure, they’d probably sue her homeowner’s insurance, because when in doubt that seems to be what happens. They’d never go after the individual for this, unless it was maybe intentional.
Hospital goers will foot the bill regardless, because that’s what we do here in the good old US of A.
The end of your comment is where I was focusing before. Insurance is a for-profit business. Rates most certainly go up for the hospital, which gets transferred to other patients. Reference: worked with hospitals, medical devices, and insurance.
If the bullet exited through the opening in the machine then it may not have struck it at all. Typically a waist holstered gun will have it’s barrel pointing down, in the general direction of the carrier’s feet, which happens to be towards the opening of the MRI. I think it’s entirely plausible the machine wasn’t damaged.
Of course that means the bullet would have gone sailing into the opposite wall, which is extremely dangerous. Depending on the wall and caliber it easily could have penetrated the wall and injured/killed someone on the other side.
They’d probably still need to turn the machine off because of the incident. That will already cost a lot of money.
Oh this is a take I hadn’t considered. If this is the case, everyone would be lucky indeed.
Having her money taken for the rest of her life is not a good response. Ofcourse she’s a fucking dumbass, but having her life destroyed because of that one moment is not adequate.
The problem of healthcare in the USA is way more severe than a destroyed MRI machine.
“Garnished” means to take an amount small enough not to diminish her means of survival. She just wouldn’t have her luxuries.
Even in single payer systems, dumbasses should be fined for damages.
FWIW, in the US, seems like you’re ‘guaranteed’ that you’ll keep 30 hours worth of minimum wage per week. the minimum wage is abysmal, so ~870 a month, which isn’t really enough to survive on in many places. I suspect it would be terribly difficult to pay rent, gas/electric, buy food, pay for public transport and/or gas.
I think this person was dumb. I think they fucked up badly. I think garnishment could make sense if the terms were more reasonable. But I think the current terms could absolutely be detrimental to ones survival.
Title III also protects individuals by limiting the amount of earnings that may be garnished in any workweek or pay period to the lesser of 25 percent of disposable earnings or the amount by which disposable earnings are greater than 30 times the Federal minimum hourly wage prescribed by Section 6(a) (1) of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. This limit applies regardless of how many garnishment orders an employer receives. The Federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. Source
I agree with you. I feel like there is too often a “throw the book at them!” reaction to every wrong or mistake, maybe especially in the US. Which explains the hyper punitive justice system and the highest prison population in the world.
Where in the article does it say her life is destroyed?
where in that comment does it say anything about the article?
Well since this is a thread about the article, one would assume you’d be on-topic.
Also you have 0 evidence that her life is destroyed. An MRI isn’t very expensive if you’re insured, and she’s almost certainly insured, because she, ya know, got a fucking MRI.
So what exactly was the point there?
They’re responding to a comment dude, click the context button.
I read the chain, and it’s 2 comments long, and that one person randomly brought up healthcare systems as a total non-sequitor.
The original comment is about her damaging the machine. It stands to reason this person thought she was on the hook for the damages, which is never discussed in the article, nor is damage confirmed.
She should be garneshed
“Should” being the operative word here. The top level comment using should “in auxiliary function to express obligation, propriety, or expediency.”
The next poster says that this is “not a good response” because it would destroy her life.
They are disagreeing over what should happen, not what is happening.
MRI machines cost between $150,000 to $3,000,000. To me, specifically, that’s prohibitively expensive. I assume given the circumstances she’s in a significant amount of trouble, with a lethal weapon being grossly mishandled to the point of putting others lives at risk. But, to your credit, that assumption was not clearly attributed in the original post. I think the important thing here is not the disagreements we have in the comments, but the up votes we get along the way.
See this comment makes vastly more sense to me.
Maybe next time dont lie to medical staff.
Oh no! Is the MRI machine okay? The article doesn’t say anything about it.
Lucky it wasn’t worse. You can’t have any metal on in a huge rotating magnet. Dumb is gonna dumb.
Oh no.
A CT scanner is a giant rotating electromagnet. An MRI is a giant quantum electromagnetic tube. It’s so, so much worse. It is literally unpredictable as to what might happen with metal inside of it. She’s lucky she wasn’t literally torn to shreds.A CT scanner is a rotating X-ray device. No rotating magnets here!
Ah thanks for the clarification! And you are right about torn to shreds. I recommend people go watch those videos that show what happens with metal in MRI machines.
We’re lucky she didn’t merge with the gun into a super soldier!
I thought the “M” was for “Magic”. Silly me.
Magic Ring Imaging
My proctologist said my Magic Ring could benefit from more fiber.
They had it set to “M” for magnetic when they should’ve had it set to “W” for wumbo.
The M could have really been for Murder! (Well, probably more like Manslaughter, but close enough.)
With the cost and risks of MRI machines, why aren’t there metal detectors at the entrance?
Eek wait until they reverse this. “If you can survive the MRI machine, you can get on the plane.” Lol
Whoever gave the MRI machine a gun needs to be fired.
a gun needs to be fired.
–The MRI Machine
Guns don’t kill people, MRI machines with guns kill people!
Ideally, out of said gun.
It was clearly contraband when we know MRI are supposed to function at the band^width of 1 MHz to 300 MHz
Muricans and science don´t mix …
Weird that they didn’t have her change into a gown first. Or maybe they did, in which case where did she put-- you know what never mind that’s enough internet for today
She DID get shot in the butt. It just isn’t mentioned whether it’s an entry or exit wound
I had a head MRI a few weeks ago. They didn’t make me change.
Gotta be strapped at all times. Liberal doc might give her a covid booster.
Woman Enters MRI Machine With a Gun, Gets Shot in Butt
What’s the next line in this lyrics
Woman Enters MRI Machine With a Gun,
(Gets Shot in the Butt)
She been a dumbass since a teen, you know she dat one,
(Face like a mutt)
Woman enters MRI machine with a gun, GETS SHOT IN BUTT
She had it easy else headline would’ve been, DIES OF VAG SMUT
“I knew I couldn’t trust that damn MRI!”
Did this happen again, or is it the same one as before?
different case from 10 months ago: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/02/12/lawyer-dies-after-shot-by-his-own-concealed-gun-triggered-by-mri-machine/?sh=f55817568ac5
Excuse me, a fucking lawyer???
*Brazilian lawyer
Thanks!
That article was pretty silly, but tragic is not exactly how I would describe what happened.
Stupid, yes. Inevitable even. But tragic?
It was a guy last time
