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Fighting the Unions in Sweden. Good fucking luck, better prepare to pack your bags and leave.
I think they forget the difference between America unions and European unions
I remember reading once about how James Cameron was all too happy to take millions in tax cuts to film Aliens in England, but then became a little crying bitch when he realized that English unionized workers actually protect their workers. He got mad that they wouldn’t work through lunch or breaks, or work in his insane schedule or whims, or do dangerous work. Made me lose a lot of respect for Cameron.
I didn’t know this. It’s psychotic to expect everyone to be on the same page as the guy who gets most of the credit, rewards and freedom of expression. Especially if you’re only job is to bring the coffee
There was an interview with a swedish spokeperson from tesla published the other day, they had no idea that what they were doing is against laws and contracts
Good. The whole point of a union is to band together and work towards better conditions for all their members.
“But we don’t sign those anywhere else!” is not a good argument by Tesla
It is a great argument. It shows that there is no point negotiating with them civilally. The only language they understand is force. So the strike needs to be maintained until Tesla ist forced to either agree to the Union contract or give up their factory.
They are finding the difference between a global corporation vs a multi-national corporation.
Break them Sweden. Make it so they can never claim they don’t sign collective bargaining agreements again.
Unfortunately, companies can tell whatever bullshit lies they want in the US.
Hah! Idiots. Typical Americans, thinking they can just ignore ‘the poor people’ like they do in the US.
The company is refusing to sign one, IF Metall has reported, saying that company claims that it doesn’t sign collective bargaining agreements anywhere in the world.
Well then you fucking should.
Then don’t do work in Sweden, simple as that.
Bring out the strikebreakerbreakers.
We brought out Anton Nilsson once, then the strikebreaker ship Amalthea got bombed.
Wow, that biography is a wild ride, culminating in “his 100th birthday, during which Anton Nilson himself held a speech lasting for several hours”.
Best of luck to the Swedish workers at the Tesla plant in any case.
That’s kinda fucked up, dude killed some people, never apologized (just that he regretted they got killed at his trial), and dude gets a full pardon?!
I’m not saying he should have been executed, but a full pardon is insane.
After 9 years, most of which as forced labor. Perhaps a bit light of a sentence, but still quite a long time.
I just don’t know enough to be sure how I feel. Besides the two people he killed he also injured another 23. What was the thought process for the bomb? From the article and the pictures it was well above the waterline and so based on the size of the hole the bomb would never have sunk the ship. Was he just young and inexperienced, not realizing his bomb wouldn’t sink the boat? Was he malicious and just trying to kill people? Was he trying to scare people and not really cause any harm?
Depending on the answers to these answers he’s either a monster or an inexperienced kid and I can see cause for leniency or none.
Also, looking at the rest of his history I doubt he would have offered the same pardons he received.
As I understand the story, there was huge international pressure on Sweden to release these three men, because the bombing was deemed to be a justified defense against the company’s use of strike breakers by at least part of the unionist movement back then.
Sort of your freedom fighter is my terrorist and vice versa thing.
The terrorist Anton Nilsen was sentenced to death, but the hero of the fight against strikebreaking Anton Nilsen was released after 9 years forced labour.
It might be a case of present morals/ethics being applied to the past, but it’s kinda fucked up. It’s literally justifying murder and terrorism. Fighting against strike breaking companies is certainly a admirable, but doesn’t justify killing people.
I’m pretty sure a lot of people shared your opinion on the pardon even back then. I do. I think it would have been okay to grant some lenience to them because of noble motifs, like not handing out a life sentence instead of a death sentence or 20 years instead of life for his accomplices. On the other hand – WWII started a wild time in the world with revolutions, armed conflict (look up the strike culture in the US in the early 20^th century!), civil wars and full scale wars all over the place where the life of a human being was not worth a lot. Probably the morals regarding blowing up strike breakers of today and of 1908 are more alike than these of 1908 and 1917.
Dear vikings, please rip them a new one.
Not the first time an American company has tried this :) https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/06/nyregion/in-brief-toys-r-us-settles-labor-dispute-that-made-headlines-in-sweden.html
Tesla opens factory in space, everyone suffocates, Tesla argue “well we don’t need to provide oxygen in other places”…
Chuds.
Musk is a giant turd, his lackeys and bootlickers are even worse. He representes everything wrong with super rich. People should stop taking his shit and fuck him off whenever the opportunity arises.
I am 100% on the side of the workers and hope they manage to give him the figurative boot.
I’ve seen people turn away from him.
Don’t let shite 'Murican “ideals” infect the Nordics!
Americanism is a cancer and the US is a terorrist state. Fuck every single thing about that.
“If they start employing strikebreakers and actively try to break the strike, then they have mobilised the entire union movement against them. Not just the Swedish Trade Union Confederation, but all of them. Then the issue at hand becomes less important.”
I can already see the German IG Metall union grinning and looking at the new Tesla factory in Germany. I would be careful if I were Tesla. Unions in Europe are extremely well connected.
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I just love the feeling of union collectives banding together. Reminds me of a situation in Norway a couple years back where doctors wanted to strike: Now they’re essential workers, and can legally be prevented from striking by the government, so the union collective said “lol get fucked” and put a shitload of engineers from the offshore industry on strike instead. The doctors pretty quickly got what they wanted, and everybody got to see why we have to work together across sectors.
tf is a strike breaker. A tazer?
Temp workers that replace the jobs on strike
You know, most countries that have strike laws forbid this. In Spain, for instance, if the workers are on a strike, the company is forbidden to replace those positions in a strike. Neither with temporary, nor people from other places. And the company cannot fire them. Basically it’s a shackle, either you solve your strike or you are out of business.
Good thing Elon has never broken the law in full view of everyone.
Elon should build a factory in Spain. I really want to see how that works out.
It could work surprisingly well at some extent. I mean, Spaniards are hard labouring people and they put hours to work. But they also like to live the life (you know, paella, siesta and stuff). So the first couple of times it may come to pass, but things may hit the fan really quickly.
Also, cheap labour force and laws very favourable for the employer.
Things might roll along smoothly until the old contract expires and it’s time to negotiate a new one between the unions and employers. That’s when things could get spicy. Tesla demands that the employees are treated as slaves and company property, while the unions demand proper wages, maternity leave, siestas and lots of other things. Obviously, Tesla isn’t going to agree to any of that, and the feeling will be mutual on both sides of the table. Usually this results in a strike, and now we’re talking about a spicy turn of events. Can’t wait to see how Tesla would handle that.
Aka scabs
Huh. I’m all for strikes, but scabs should be allowed in my opinion.
Uh, they are “allowed”. As in they’re legal. But they’re disgusting bootlickers siding with oppressive giant corporations over worker’s rights. So often, they’ll be ostracized by family and friends, as they should be. That’s allowed too.
Look up the meaning of solidarity.
Why? Scabs give a lot less of a shit about quality, and we’re taking about a 4000lb (1800kg) vehicle at highway speeds.
Think about that, aside from wanting regular folks to succeed while working for a wealthy, well-lawyered multinational car corporation.
Fuck Tesla
