'Bad for consumers [and] bad for the planet,' PIRG says of Microsoft's decision to end support for Windows 10 in 2025, even though an estimated 1 billion PCs can't upgrade to Windows 11.
Everyone knows Microsoft OSs are tick-tock anyway. The failed 11 will be superseded by a well received 12, and the cycle will continue. Can’t kill 10 until 12 is fully accepted. Like 10 and 7 before it.
I thought it was a little far-fetched as well, but there was a post I believe it was here a few weeks back of people that were running the windows 12 beta snooping around the code and seeing references to subscription classification and typing
This is a PC mag article that refers to it. it doesn’t go in as depth as the other post did
I think Microsoft has gotten so used to the swing back and forth that they just assume 12 is going to be a banger. I can think of no worse setup for a train wreck of a release than 12 being the first Microsoft built major OS to break this mold since XP and end up being the 2nd OS in a row that bombed and drove away market share.
This was never a thing. Someone took a blurb said by someone on a call, and ran with it. No one fact checked, no one looked at context. At least not until after the articles were out.
The subscription stuff has always been on the enterprise side. Hell, it’s available right now and you don’t see it on the consumer side.
In fact, 11 doesn’t even require activation. You can just install it, never activate, and continue to use it perpetually. How would the next step in their movement away from requiring consumer purchase be to charge monthly for access? Makes no damn sense right out the gate.
By what metric (other than clickbaity tech publication headlines)?
Every Windows release, even including “the good ones”, my repair shop has been inundated with requests to go back or post-upgrade troubleshooting work.
We’ve had none of that since 11’s release. The only botched upgrades were due to underlying hardware conditions and everyone else has been neutral at worst.
Have any of the other relases had a hardware requirement that even 3 year old PCs don’t meet? I just built my PC in 2020 and win11 is telling me I can’t upgrade because of my basically new hardware…
My bet is on many many people simply can’t upgrade.
Just about anything from 2018 or newer meets the hardware requirements, but at time of release (October 2021) that was just over 3 years. Ryzen 2000 and Intel 8000 are the initial entry level.l that meet the requirements.
Unless you used 2+ year old parts for you build, you just need to go into UEFI/BIOS and enable the firmware TPM (fTPM) or perform the BIOS update that switches that to being on by default.
I’d recommend the latter since you are likely to also gain stability and/or security improvements going that route.
Thanks for the info! I have a 9900k so that should be fine. It’s on a designairz390 mobo so maybe that was the issue? I’ll have to look into those bios settings
before 10, on 8.1 everyone was the same with 10, that it will be the next Vista, by the same logic that XP was OK, Vista was NOK, 7 was OK, 8 was shit, 8.1 was OK…
don’t forget, for several years, 10 was unuseable and lots of people - including me was not willing to use it.
for a few years, 11 will be the devil but soonly enough the migration will happen - it has to, if someone needs Windows…
the start menu on Windows 10 is still unusable to me, so I end up just searching. sometimes it doesn’t even find a match when I type the exact name of the app I’m trying to launch. it’s computer software that can’t search text. I think it’s really good though and I hope that Microsoft makes a lot of money forcing people to buy new computers with Windows licenses attached to them. isn’t Jesus wonderful? God works in mysterious ways. I believe he has a plan for all of us. I’m taking a shit
The start menu is actually pretty good if you spend some time customizing it with your apps and programs. Having organized folders and groups is a “game changer” (ok not really, it’s neat though) for me.
I also recommend adding all the programs to the start menu scrolling thingy. There is a folder somewhere on C: that you can put shortcuts into and they appear in the scrolling menu. Don’t ever rely on the search to launch programs that aren’t in that menu or setup comprehensive indexing yourself.
Or just use “everything” to search for everything. Everything is extremely fast and indexes everything (hence it’s name) very quickly, and you can search with wildcards or boolean operators or my favorite regex.
I actually like 11 compared to 10 (so far as I like Windows in the first place - I only use it on my work-provided computer, Linux everywhere else). People rightly complain about the advertising and tracking for why they won’t upgrade but doesn’t 10 have that too?
Everyone knows Microsoft OSs are tick-tock anyway. The failed 11 will be superseded by a well received 12, and the cycle will continue. Can’t kill 10 until 12 is fully accepted. Like 10 and 7 before it.
I find this funny as I remember the first 5 years of Windows 10 be like everyone hates it because it’s not Windows 7
I wouldn’t count on that, if the rumor mill of windows 12 being a subscription model ends up true, it will be recieved far worse than 11 did.
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I thought it was a little far-fetched as well, but there was a post I believe it was here a few weeks back of people that were running the windows 12 beta snooping around the code and seeing references to subscription classification and typing
This is a PC mag article that refers to it. it doesn’t go in as depth as the other post did
Hold the fucking goddamn phone… We don’t even have 11 in full swing and they’re making 12!? What the actual fuck Microsoft?
I think Microsoft has gotten so used to the swing back and forth that they just assume 12 is going to be a banger. I can think of no worse setup for a train wreck of a release than 12 being the first Microsoft built major OS to break this mold since XP and end up being the 2nd OS in a row that bombed and drove away market share.
Subscription to remove the ads! lol
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This was never a thing. Someone took a blurb said by someone on a call, and ran with it. No one fact checked, no one looked at context. At least not until after the articles were out.
The subscription stuff has always been on the enterprise side. Hell, it’s available right now and you don’t see it on the consumer side.
In fact, 11 doesn’t even require activation. You can just install it, never activate, and continue to use it perpetually. How would the next step in their movement away from requiring consumer purchase be to charge monthly for access? Makes no damn sense right out the gate.
I feel like I will have to revisit this comment in a few years with ‘aged like fine milk’… Hope I am wrong.
There’s been articles saying that’s disproven and it’s so far out I don’t get why people are even talking about it at all yet really.
Editing to add the following link:
https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/10/16/no-windows-12-is-a-free-upgrade-and-wont-require-a-subscription/
By what metric (other than clickbaity tech publication headlines)?
Every Windows release, even including “the good ones”, my repair shop has been inundated with requests to go back or post-upgrade troubleshooting work.
We’ve had none of that since 11’s release. The only botched upgrades were due to underlying hardware conditions and everyone else has been neutral at worst.
Have any of the other relases had a hardware requirement that even 3 year old PCs don’t meet? I just built my PC in 2020 and win11 is telling me I can’t upgrade because of my basically new hardware…
My bet is on many many people simply can’t upgrade.
Just about anything from 2018 or newer meets the hardware requirements, but at time of release (October 2021) that was just over 3 years. Ryzen 2000 and Intel 8000 are the initial entry level.l that meet the requirements.
Unless you used 2+ year old parts for you build, you just need to go into UEFI/BIOS and enable the firmware TPM (fTPM) or perform the BIOS update that switches that to being on by default.
I’d recommend the latter since you are likely to also gain stability and/or security improvements going that route.
Thanks for the info! I have a 9900k so that should be fine. It’s on a designairz390 mobo so maybe that was the issue? I’ll have to look into those bios settings
before 10, on 8.1 everyone was the same with 10, that it will be the next Vista, by the same logic that XP was OK, Vista was NOK, 7 was OK, 8 was shit, 8.1 was OK…
don’t forget, for several years, 10 was unuseable and lots of people - including me was not willing to use it.
for a few years, 11 will be the devil but soonly enough the migration will happen - it has to, if someone needs Windows…
10 became usable when they walked back most feature changes and made it closer to 7. I had completed blocked out the awful start menu at 10 launch.
the start menu on Windows 10 is still unusable to me, so I end up just searching. sometimes it doesn’t even find a match when I type the exact name of the app I’m trying to launch. it’s computer software that can’t search text. I think it’s really good though and I hope that Microsoft makes a lot of money forcing people to buy new computers with Windows licenses attached to them. isn’t Jesus wonderful? God works in mysterious ways. I believe he has a plan for all of us. I’m taking a shit
The start menu is actually pretty good if you spend some time customizing it with your apps and programs. Having organized folders and groups is a “game changer” (ok not really, it’s neat though) for me.
I also recommend adding all the programs to the start menu scrolling thingy. There is a folder somewhere on C: that you can put shortcuts into and they appear in the scrolling menu. Don’t ever rely on the search to launch programs that aren’t in that menu or setup comprehensive indexing yourself.
Or just use “everything” to search for everything. Everything is extremely fast and indexes everything (hence it’s name) very quickly, and you can search with wildcards or boolean operators or my favorite regex.
I have absolutely no desire to do any such thing
Then don’t ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I do it because it makes my life easier (especially with “Everything”) and it doesn’t take long to do. But you do you.
okay thank you that’s very cool and good
I actually like 11 compared to 10 (so far as I like Windows in the first place - I only use it on my work-provided computer, Linux everywhere else). People rightly complain about the advertising and tracking for why they won’t upgrade but doesn’t 10 have that too?
I still have windows 10 on my work computer which is the only windows device I have, and it is riddled with advertisements, especially the start menu