I’m all for it, but what kicked it off?

  • madjo@feddit.nl
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    Earlier this week a user posted “kill Nazis” and got a warning from Imgur saying that imgur is an inclusive platform, welcome to everyone. (which apparently includes Nazis?)
    That’s what kicked this off (again).

    There was already some upset feelings in the community because at the beginning of the week one of the “Elbow Deep In A” accounts got suspended over a “Gone Mild” drawing of a goblin girl. So it didn’t take much for the community to be really upset with “business daddy”

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    Imgur has pissed me off long enough that I decided to roll my own this summer. When all I need is a place to store stuff for easy linking, building a web frontend is pretty trivial.

    Plus I’m not limited to whatever file type and size imgur decides.

    And guess what, my site condones punching Nazis:

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    You know what? I don’t care what kicked it off. I don’t care if it’s a billionaire paying for bots. I’m just glad that the kind of people that get programmed by social media to vote for horrible shit might finally get programmed to do some good for a change.

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    We need to take back the Thorn. Too many things are written as Ye in fake middle English (or fake early modern) which should be written with the thorn!

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    hey i’m thinking about studying on marxism-leninism (and variations therein). is there any way i can study in layman’s terms without losing focus quickly, and is there also any way i can encourage myself to study on ml?

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    Somebody was banned for posting the GIF of the Nazi Guy getting knocked out (you know the one).

    The community is not having it.

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      The one that gets its tooth knocked out?

      Man I love that clip, you can live vicariously through it for a second.

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      Every time I walk past that stretch near Pike and 3rd in Seattle, right over that bit of concrete where the nazi got laid the fuck out, I punch the air. Every time.

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          I know it is, technically. I just never group Imgur into social media. Its always been just an image host in my mind.

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            When I last used Imgur about ten years ago, they communicated exclusively in gifs and meme phrases. It’s a bit odd.

            But, when those browsing /new on Imgur had a mini-uprising and upvoted just anything for a day, weirdest and most outlandish stuff actually made it to the front page. That was the most fun I’ve ever had on a social-media site.

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      No wonder. Some rich guy must have got very upset. Strange though, plenty of people get punched all the time, and there are plenty more GIFs people getting punched. Banning specifically the Nazi guy getting punched isn’t good PR I think…

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      It just amazes me how to doing the Nazi salute, uniforms and speech’s are entirely okay now. However, being against it gets you banned.

      The world has gone a full circle and we are back to the days were fascism, hatred and all that is okay. Unfortunately.

      • DylanMc6 [any, any]@lemmy.ml
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        we need socialism. we need to organize a lot more than ever. we need to be revolutionary optimists, and NOT give in to counterrevolutionary doom and gloom and defeatism. seriously!

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      Yeah and the community does not understand what it means to protect your audience from certain content. Violence is violence. At this point it does not matter who is who. But the community just had too much lead in the water and is unable to form their own thoughts, thus just follow the other sheep.

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      That video always makes me uncomfortable because I dont know the actual context. Maybe he was in Halloween fancy dress?

      Yes fuck nazis, but I dont know in my bones the person deserved it.

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          Yeah, I think you should cosplay as a nazi the same way we wear fake guns. You better make it abundantly clear that it’s a toy/costume.

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            Someone I know cosplays as a Nazi. He doesn’t walk around the streets wraring an armband. He goes in full military gear, riding around on an original WWII german bike with sidecar at WWII historic events. You know, like a cosplayer.

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              If true, then the person you know is a loser and someone should beat the shit out of them.

              It doesn’t matter how authentic it is if you’re cosplaying as a fucking Nazi.

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                Do it yourself then tough guy

                Literally know nothing about the person, that doesn’t make them a Nazi lol

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                  People like you are the reason why the US is a fascist nation now. Giving literal Nazis the benefit of the doubt over and over because they say that “it’s just a joke” or whatever.

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          Also, in the one scenario where I would find dressing up as a nazi acceptable, which is if they’re an actor for a movie/show/play that requires nazi characters, they are not going to just put an armband on their everyday modern clothing.

          They’ll wear a proper reconstruction of an actual nazi uniform, and they’re not going to just walk around in that costume, they’re going to be on or around a set, which also gives any possible passerbys the context clues needed to understand that they’re just an actor, thus saving themselves from being punched.

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          Fun fact I have a swedish tankers trench coat from 1940 and a Swiss helmet from 1942 when I wear them together it basically looks like legally distinct werhmacht. I can pull the samething with an American armor school long coat and a Yugoslav helmet for the Soviet equivalent.

          It’s technically not Nazi apparel. It annoys my friends though.

        • yermaw@sh.itjust.works
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          I think it more reminds me how easily influenced we can be. “Go find out” is great, but its not possible to research everything you see. Even if I did I’d only find other people talking about the video and would have no real way of discerning who actually knows what theyre talking about and who’s just making credible sounding shit up.

          Do you guys not feel that worry somewhere in your mind when you see things like this?

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            I mean, it’s not like me enjoying the video is going to affect the guy who got punched. I think it’s good that as a society we support videos that appear to show Nazi cosplayers being punched and don’t give them the benefit of the doubt. If I were actually there IRL and able to affect the outcome, I would also be able to ask for the necessary information to determine what to do.

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            The number of people willing to provide cover, and give the benefit of the doubt to people dressing as, and behaving like Nazis is too damn high. I’m seeing it everywhere on here lately.

            “I don’t know anything about the thing you guys are talking about, but what if he was dressed like that because he’s an actor in a movie?”

            Really?

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              Oh, I’m not defending a specific instance. I’m merely pointing out that there does exist a time and place where people should be allowed to dress as despicable characters from history

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            You’re allowed, but surely you’d be aware enough not to walk in your costume outside the set. The same goes for theatre or anything. An actor who thinks it’s a good idea to walk outside in a nazi costume has it coming, and that’s a good thing.

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              Don’t even engage with such a bullshit attempt at deflecting. Look, they’ve already got you talking about a bullshit hypothetical that they literally just made up whole cloth

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                There’s no deflecting, a stupid statement was made and the stupidity of it is being demonstrated.

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          Or a movie prop. Or a weird stag night. Or a mentally ill person unaware of the severity of the joke. Or theres a gunman behind the camera making him put the armband on. Or digitally altered before release. Or the list goes on.

          What you think you see “Nazi scum punished”

          What you actually saw “man gets punched”

          Im lowkey shook fr how easily #2 becomes #1. Again, I’d like to point out I’m all for nazis getting fucked up.

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            If it is a movie prop than the person stays on the lot. There is no stag night justification, mental illness ok…

            But you are reaching.

            There are certain things you never choose to do. Pretending to be be a Nazi is one of them.

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              So youre happy that you know based on a 2 second gif and it doesn’t even slightly worry you how easy it is? Maybe it was cut to only show the good bit, but maybe its been cut to rob you of any context.

              We have the ability to make anything look like anything, and we’re cheering on violence based on a momentary flash of bad-guy logo, while being the same species that had literal witch- finders like a few generations ago.

              I’m more worried now, because instead of seeing the point I’m trying to make people seem to be assuming I’m defending nazis.

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                people seem to be assuming I’m defending nazis.

                You are normalizing them by defending a guy who chose to dress as one in public.

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                  Listen it took 4 hours and 70 odd down arrows before anyone provided any actual information, and you people are still piling on.

                  Minimum 70 people. I dont have enough of a metaphysical language set to get the original point across, but there are lessons to be learned here for all of us.

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            Fuck off, Nazi sympathiser. You’re literally inventing reasons to justify proudly wearing the symbol of hate and genocide.

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            Did you just really ignore monuments comment two above?

            I guess we know where your sympathies land

      • Monument@lemmy.sdf.org
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        The sources for this video indicate the person wearing the armband:

        • Harassed a black man on a bus.
        • Walked around downtown Seattle for an hour dressed that way.
        • Had several verbal confrontations with passerby who commented on his clothing.
          Source 1

        • Several 911 calls were placed about this man attempting to instigate fights.
        • The man declined to file a police report after the police did appear.
          Source 2

        For at least an hour at any point leading up to this, the person wearing the armband could have taken it off and stopped interacting with others. To my knowledge, the person who was punched has never spoken to media to explain why they were dressed as such, despite the massive internet fame of the video.

        Do you still feel uncomfortable? Do you know in your bones if the person deserved it?

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          In this specific case im happy enough thanks for that. Thats actually cheered me up a little.

          I’m not sure if I’ll ever truly get there, think I’ll be a little more comfortable joining the mob without context next time. This is the most consistent engagement I’ve ever had on this site and I think ive learned a thing or two here.

          • Monument@lemmy.sdf.org
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            Well, don’t join the mob blindly. Do your own research. The above information was gathered from one internet search using the available context clues from this post.
            It did not take very long and was easy.

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        Fancy dress? That’s a stretch. Usually in fancy dress you’re imitating someone. Who is he meant to be? Just a generic Nazi.

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        Consider:

        Someone is getting knocked the F out on camera.

        There is a crowd of people

        No one is stopping or diffusing the situation

        No one is stopping over the check on the fallen

        Then calculate it appears to be a guy wearing a nazi arm band

        then consider that it would be the shittiest idea for a halloween costume south of blackface and even wearing nazi garb would likely get you a rightful ass-kicking.

        There’s no math there that makes that even slightly questionable.

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        Yeah, his hand coming up in a way that could be “this isn’t what you think” doesn’t help. The description makes the situation sound very different though and there’s not much of an excuse for the armband right now. But yeah, not a fan of the gif now I’ve seen it