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Finland or Norway.
I’m German and as far as I’m concerned the people who want to flee the current US administration are exactly the type of people you want to welcome with open arms.
As a trans woman I might need somewhere to go and I desperately hope that when that day comes someone like you is in charge if deciding if I get to stay.
the ones that cant stop sucking off trump, arent even leaving usa anyways(trump supporters/liberterians), they are too inside thier bubble. scientists and mds and engineers have much more options than people with non-graduate degrees unfortunately.
Are you specifically talking about north americans of european descent? As if Germany isn’t dipping right into their pre WW2 culture with Merz as chancellor and AfD getting more votes each year 🤡
Deutschland den Deutsche, Ausländer Raus
I went to Norway. Big recommend. That said, I refuse to call myself an expat or use the term expatriate. I am an immigrant. I think it is weird that white westerners get a special word and everybody else are filthy immigrants.
It’s semantics but the difference between expat and immigrants is an expat intends to return to their home country some day, where an immigrant does not.
it’s racism
if a westerner works with plans to return they are called expat, if it’s a non western, they are called migrants labour or foreign workers and are treated like shit.
they dont like to be called immigrants, because then they would have to be labeled like the “brown people” they say have hawking over.
Yes, but connotatively it is just a marker of privilege. Especially here, since what we’re talking about is immigration, not temporary work.
To me expat always referred to people that only stay temporarily, mostly sent abroad by the company they work at. As opposed to a migrant that is meaning to stay permanently (and eventually gains citizenship).
TIL the definition differs regionally (see wiki) and mostly not as I thought it was.
The kind of american that usually comes to Mexico is very nice, very welcome. Maybe the exceptions are the very loud and self absorbed ones that go to resort locations and act like they’re better than everyone there.
As long as people want to integrate and cooperate they are more than welcome.
Now, the sad part is the gentrification that comes with a lot of people moving and outpaying rent vs the locals. Now the average cost of living in Mexico city is about 50% higher than the average salary, and about 100% higher than the median salary. Another very negative thing is that now a lot of locals have to communicate in english because American people will come and not learn spanish over multiple years living here. There are zones where everything is in english now. It’s okay speaking english, it’s not okay expecting english from everyone.
So a few pointers:
- Integrate, pay taxes, consume locally
- Try and move into already gentrified places, avoid displacing more people
- Push for social policy, increased affordable living spaces, invest in the country where you move into to improve the locals’ life
Be friendly, but that’s always
La ciudad de México is what I’ve been thinking of. seems like a fabulous place. doubt I could take the heat and I’m more likely to end up in Asia, but Mexico City and Toronto are top contenders
Luckily mexico city is not actually that hot, quite humid though
yeah I’d prefer -30 over +30 and humid
Now the good thing with humidity is that refrigeration works wonders, and in Mexico Mini Splits are super cheap, as is electricity
Moving somewhere and not knowing the language is extremely common. My mother has been in the USA for 40 years and speaks very little English. She focuses on Spanish speaking neighborhoods and businesses.
Many of her friends have also been here decades and speak zero English too.
It’s inconsiderate at best to expect people to speak your foreign language and get angry that people don’t speak it. That’s more of my point.
And even that, after gentrifying an area no longer welcoming non-english speaking people or treating them as second class is worse
I absolutely agree. I didn’t make my point of learning the native language. I’m annoyed by native Spanish speaking immigrants purposefully not learning English while living in the USA for decades.
It seems it also happens with Americans that migrate to other countries.
Brit here. I’d be happy to accept Dem voters. Fart voters can stay at home and eat their own dogshit. Non-voters too; they knew exactly who FartV1 was and I am genuinely surprised Harris couldn’t get in simply on “I’m not Fart”. They really thought she’d be worse?
And for those who get over here by lying about their vote; they incriminate themselves, and will be deported the moment we discover the truth.
They really thought she’d be worse?
For the love of God, please stop spreading this mode of thinking. Elections are won by enthusiasm, not an intellectual weighing of the pros and cons of each. This is the model Democrats have used for decades that got us here. Being the lesser evil is not a solid campaign strategy. The greater evil will always get more attention, and therefore enthusiasm.
I don’t think this is an exclusively American thing. Did Brits really think brexit was a good idea?
evidence came out it was also rigged, and it has been for the last 2 times too. she wouldve won regardless, but the problem is DNc dint call out to be investigated for fear of being called riggers themselves. and waited when it was almost a year to finally say, we think its rigged?
It wasn’t rigged. Even if it were rigged, it should never have been close enough to be rigged, but it wasn’t rigged. If the DNC waited to say it was rigged, they are still waiting because they haven’t said they think it’s rigged, but their not waiting, because it wasn’t rigged.
Non-American here. All Americans, except MAGA muricans, are welcome.
As a member of the CAF, if the US Armed Forces are getting rid of LGBTQ folks, I would be proud to welcome them as my comrades in arms.
Canadian Air Force?
Canada is certainly on my list of hopeful places.
Not quite. CAF is Canadian Armed Forces. The Air Force, specifically is the RCAF.
Thanks
Here in Canada we’re trying to catch America’s brain drain. We especially need doctors quite desperately.
doctors
How’s the demand for nurses? I’ll be finishing up nursing school in less than a year! :D
Or support staff? I’m a surgical tech now, and some of my coworkers (other techs, schedulers - bottom of the medical food chain, but still with specialty experience) feel trapped here by their lack of higher education.
Nurses and caretaker staff “Pflege” are needed here in Germany too, but not sure how viable the pay is.
Depends. I know some nirses that work as “OP Schwestern” and they make good money.
But you can not compare a german Krankenpflegerin/Krankenpfleger with an US Nurse.
Afaik pay isn’t that bad, it’s working conditions that suck.
Check out bchealthcareers.ca for an example of what is being done to encourage medical professionals to make the move to Canada. This site is B.C. specific but it includes doctors, nurses, and allied health professions.
I’m very concerned that people who choose to go to France will just find themselves in the exact same situation along with the rest of us not too long from now. I’d advise looking for a country with a lower fascism approval rating…
We do have lots of cheese, though, if it’s any consolation.
Tbf most migrants are either damn smart, hard workers or damn smart hard workers.
So, for a good future we should welcome them!
Californian - i want us, oregon, and washington to join canada.
It would be a dream if CANZUK happened, then it was joined by California and Cascadia. We could call it CACACANZUK.
That said, you would already be a powerful nation without joining anyone else. Don’t wait for us to get organised.
I feel like if CA were to leave the US it would join Mexico, not Canada
Rejoin
fuck no lol joining mexico is submitting yourself to the rule of cartels. Theyre super corrupt.
Mexico == cartels???
the cartels hold massive influence over the govt, straight up killing their legislators in significant numbers at times.
There is serious violence, but CA has law enforcement in place with experience dealing with the Cartels. The power they weild in Mexican Government would be outweighed by the 30% increase in population and the doubling of the size of the Mexican Economy.
Of course the violence that would be required to result in CA leaving the union might result in destruction of that economy. Hard to say.
Don’t come to Ireland. I’ve lived in the US for nearly two decades, made lots of friends and even helped some to immigrate here. The harsh reality is, however, that we’re going through a really bad housing crisis, with our own homeless numbers growing every month, and house prices and rents exploding (a recent statistic showed that our growth in rents is four times the EU average). So, please, for our sake and yours, try a different country.
GingTFO isn’t actually a huge problem for Americans. I’ve looked into it and the only reason I’m still here is that my wife refuses to leave and I love her too much to leave her. Dozens of countries will give Americans residency, although citizenship is usually a lot more difficult and/or takes years. There is usually a minimum income requirement, but you don’t have to be rich. I’ve seen it in the $1200-$2k/mo range in multiple places. Of course this has to be income you can still make while you’re in the new country, not a US job you’re going to give up. Makes it pretty sweet for “digital nomads” tho who can work remotely.
A few countries highly rated by expats are Costa Rica, Panama, Uruguay (esp good environment for LGBTQ+), and Thailand. Vietnam doesn’t even have a visa limit - technically it’s 3 or 5 years but all you have to do to reset it is go away for like 30 days. There are lots of others. If you want to get started google “Americans moving abroad”, there are tons of helpful videos and articles.
Germany. I might be able to claim ancestry rights. Ironic that my great grandmother fled fascism in Germany but I’d flee America to return to the motherland.
You shouldn’t say that “motherland” phrase so loud. Nobody cares, but it makes you one of those Muricans we try to avoid.
Nobody here cares about ancestry like americans do.
Your great grandma came from Germany. Was your grandma a german citizen? Was your mother a german citizen? No? You are not intitled to german citizenship anymore. You’re a full blown american with a great grandma that migrated to the USA. I’m sorry to blow your bubble, that ship has left the harbor.
Ok sure. Sorry I didn’t know ‘motherland’ was a negative phrase in Germany. I will not use it. My grandmother and mother were not German just great grandmother.
Yeah… those fucking moronic assholes that forced your great grandmother to flee to survive loved expressions like Lebensraum, Rasserein, Bluterbe, Mutterland, Vaterland or Unwertes Leben…
And we germans laugh about that Murican obsession with “I’m German, because my great grandmother was…” you can get german citizenship ius sanguinis (by blood … [as direct desendent])" and since 2000 also by ius soli (by place of birth). There’s a joke about “Russlanddeutsche” (Russian germans) that goes like: Ivan now has german passport, he could give proof his great great great great grandfather had a german shepherd back in 1792.
Those people “coming back” are the decendents of people migrating to russia back in 1764 on their own free will.
So, my personal tip. Just say you want to leave the US because that country is heading for a fall. I can speak a bit german because my great grandma was from [insert city/village/state here]. I hope this will help me learn to speak fluently fast.
And you’re welcome.
Thanks for the constructive feedback instead of just assuming I was a bad person. I appreciate it.
My pleasure.
You and grew up in completely different cultures, even if both are considered “western”. We both are a product of how we grew up.
If someone would accuse me, as a german, of stareing, I’d be baffled, because for us it is normal not to look away after a split second. We also like to say things directly and don’t like waste time with small talk and chit chat in some situations. Many think this makes us cold.
And… you obviously know about the darkest parts of german history. I was born 24 years after the third Reich was defeated and 80 years later this time still haunts this country. That’s why we sometimes react a bit “twitchy” if people use expressions that either were used by the fascists or sound like they would have liked them. I hope you understand my first reaction even better now.
Yes I know how sensitive a subject it is.
Also, I too do not like small talk or mindless chit chat. If I talk, it is is in depth and with a passion about the topic.
You know the stereotypes about germans, no humor, stare at you, love their rules and laws, cold and pedantic, wait for the green light on a pedestrian crossing at 3 in the morning, but go pedal to the metal the moment their Porsche/Benz/BMW enters the Autobahn… and we drink beer all day and eat Sauerkraut.
:)
Seriously, the only Sauerkraut I really like is the batch my Dad makes every year in autumn and I don’t drink beer.
That’s not how it works hun. You’d have to go through the regular process of becoming a citizen by immigration.
Ancestry rights≠automatic citizenship and the person you’re responding to didn’t make that claim.
Yeah, it’s just one of the avenues. I could also just get a job there as I’m in tech, I’m not quite fluent in German yet especially when it comes to tech jargon. But I’m getting there.
Depending on your field tech jargon is probably all english even in Germany.
It is according to some Dutch friends in the Netherlands.
Software engineering. There is a lot of cognates yeah
Cognates? Mate, unless you work for some company stuck in the 60s the entire tech jargon is english, it’s the exact same words.
Americans would do anything to not call a general strike.
Get it organized. I’ll show up. Show us poor stupid lazy americans how easy it is to hold an extended general strike to effect a national change. I’m all in on it. Let’s fucking go everyone! This armchair analyst knows the way!
A birthstrike would be much easier to pull off than a general (labor) strike. Bills don’t stop just because you stopped working, and labor strikes require a high degree of coordination. It’s a significant risk for those going on strike.
In contrast, a birthstrike does not hurt your immediate situation, and actually likely helps it by preventing an increase in financial burden. Additionally, it requires no real degree of coordination. It can start small and pick up steam as more people jump onboard.
We’ve been in a pseudo-birth strike for decades, kids have been increasingly expensive as real wages dropped. The only thing it’s gotten us is regressive assaults on reproductive rights.
Surely it takes a long time and Trump will be dead our out of office before any difference can be seen?
Hypothetically, you could start seeing results in as little as 9 months if people coordinated and actually took it seriously. Even without any sort of concerted effort, I wouldn’t be surprised if the U.S. sees a drop in birth rates in 2026 as large numbers of people independently (i.e. without coordination) say “no thanks!”
Part of the point of birthstriking is that even if the effort ultimately doesn’t work, you’ve still succeeded in protecting your descendants from whatever thing you are striking against. For example, I don’t think we can stop climate change at this point. But even if it doesn’t save the environment, there is value choosing to not create new victims.
Are the results anything that would cause any pressure for change though?
Seems like you would want a lot of organisation too or its just a few people and maybe a 0.1% drop in the fertility rate.
Are the results anything that would cause any pressure for change though?
Won’t know until we try it 😃
Seems like you would want a lot of organisation too or its just a few people and maybe a 0.1% drop in the fertility rate.
Ideally yes, but even on a personal level the second paragraph (“Part of the point of birthstriking…”) still applies even if no one else joins in. This is in contrast to a labor strike that has no benefit to you (and is actively detrimental) if you try it without the backing of a large group of other people joining in.
It is easier to coordinate a birthstrike than a labor strike because it can be done incrementally. A labor strike absolutely depends on a significant % of the population engaging all at once. Otherwise it fails. A birthstrike can have participation build up over time since it doesn’t adversely affect your day-to-day life the way that a labor strike does, thus it can be held indefinitely. In contrast to working, reproduction is completely optional on an individual level.
But yes, it absolutely stretches out the time frame. Labor strikes produce results in days or weeks. Now we are looking at months and years.
