What should happen to the Israelis if palistine takes their land back?
there is no land back. people want a state with equal rights; that’s it. i love how this is always a “concern”: hey i know we genocided you, but what if you retaliate? we can’t have that do the genocide most continue.
in reality we’ve seen what happens: what happened to the white south africans in south africa? what happened to the slave owners in the united states after emancipation? what happened to them after natives got some or their land and autonomy back?
nothing. prosperity. but at this point i don’t give a shit if it’s not nothing. israelis proved time and again, yes the population too, not just the government, that they’re genocidal maniacs.
this is exactly the same as being concerned with what would happen to the nazis if germany gave rights back to the jews. imagine asking “what if the jews strike back? no the camps must stay”.
just as it was right back then to emancipate the jewish people and other minorities no matter what would happen afterwards, so it is for palestinians now. luckily for the rapists and murderers of the world, the oppressed never turn out to be so genocidal once freed.
What happened to white settlers in South Africa? To this day they still hold most of the good lands and are richer.
The status quo is that Palestinians have no rights (legal, human, you name it), while the Israeli state protects the Israeli citizens. They don’t get to vote, they don’t get to travel, and they don’t even get to keep their homes and lives in the face of the Gaza genocide and state-sponsored settler-colonialism.
Now, there is no reason that liberation for Palestinians must mean some sort of displacement or genocide for Israelis. The very fact that Zionists want you to believe that liberation is a zero-sum game is very telling.
One option would be a secular state that represents both Israelis and Palestinians, with appropriate measures to protect whichever ethnic group may be in the minority.
Another would be a recognized, democratic Palestinian state alongside Israel, in the borders of 1949 (or perhaps 1967), with a robust right to return. The illegal settler occupations erected since then would obviously need to be removed.
There are, of course, other avenues, some more utopic than others (as an anarchist, I favor a no state solution but I am pragmatic enough to recognize that this is wishful thinking for the near-future). But none of them, at least the serious ones, include dispelling all Israelis.
ITT: Terminally online Western .ml users being simperialist white knights again for their own favourite oligarchy.
Found the salty Zionist
That’s a weird looking pen.
It’s the pen that writes history
Political power flows from it
Huh, I wasn’t expecting a comic critical of Russia’s Ukraine invasion in this comm.
Fascists are murdering both ukrainians and palestinians. Grow up, lib.
Exactly, the Nazis in the Ukrainian government are sending Ukranians into meat grinders for the profits of the U.S. empire
Aaaaand there it is.
I was pretty sure it was the Gaza situation.
¿Porque no los dos?
What are you talking about the russians already lived in donbass which is why they voted to secede when the banderites started bombing them. Its not like settler colonialism at all.
It wasn’t just Russians that lived in Donbass.
But many do, and did historically, as it was part of Russia prior to the USSR.
But I have a genuine question: suppose that the majority of people living in Donbass genuinely wanted to break off and become part of Russia. Should they be allowed to, and if so, what steps should they have taken to make it happen, in the context that the government banned major opposition parties that were sympathetic towards Russia? What are you supposed to do, exactly, when the country is moving in a direction that you disagree with and shutting the opposition out of the political process, after seizing power through force?
A downvote is not an answer, btw.
Hey let’s switch examples and see if your logic stands up. The name Los Angeles is Spanish. Because Spanish speakers have been there longer than English speakers. If the Spanish speakers don’t like the president of the United States, does that mean it’s perfectly acceptable for the Mexican government to provide Spanish speaking protesters in LA with artillery systems and missile batteries? Or is that fucking weird?
A downvote is not an answer btw.
Yes, and no it is not weird
There is a mild secessionist movement in CA. People of all ethnicities in the city can dissaprove of the oppression taking place. Pre-2022, ask in Donbas was just autonomy from nazis shelling it relatively indiscriminantly. CA even if it were to ask for military help from Mexico or China, wouldn’t have as first choice to join as one of their provinces. In both cases, independence is more about humanist self determination rather than ethnic loyalties even if the fascist oppression is centered on extermination of ethnic/liberal “sub humans”
Who is upvoting this racist lib fantasy? smh.
Everyone should rise up against this disgusting empire regardless of their “language”.
It’s funny because the Russians in the donbass were being ethnically cleansed and you picked an example where that’s also happening and they’re equally justified in using violence to defend themselves.
Yes. I wish they would.
Especially if the government said that those people were not allowed to participate in the political process, but given that the US political process is a joke and a sham, I don’t have any sort of belief in “upholding its territorial integrity” or anything like that.
Legitimacy derives from the consent of the governed, does it not?
See how I was able to immediately provide a very clear answer to your question? Now do mine.
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So, do you remember how British colonists Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin went to France to negotiate for French military aid against the British, and how Lafayette arriving with that aid was vital to the success of the American Revolution? Well, I happen to be of the opinion that when people say that Trump is a fascist or is acting like a king, and that “in America, we don’t do kings,” that those words actually have meaning and aren’t just empty slogans.
The real question is, why do y’all think it would be bad for people resisting fascism to have access to artillery systems and missile batteries? 🤔
Btw, still no answer to my original question.
It’s a complicated issue to solve, and I’m not the person to solve it but the Russian state’s approach has basically been in every single way wrong.
The Russian ethnic minority and it’s treatment is a domestic issue. It is not a suitable pretext for Russia to invade a country, bomb schools and hospitals, and force Ukrainians into either a smaller portion of their country or to live under an ethnostate that does not represent them. Putin has naked imperial ambitions not just in Ukraine but also in Georgia.
I’m now gonna block you, as I do everyone with pro-Russia views. Because anyone that can excuse Russia’s actions is not worthy of my attention.
The Russian ethnic minority and it’s treatment is a domestic issue.
Hey that’s exactly what Candice Owens said about how Hitler treated the jews
I’m now gonna block you
You absolute baby
It’s a complicated issue to solve, and I’m not the person to solve it
Im now gonna block you… anyone that can excuse Russia’s actions is not worthy of my attention.
Historically the acceptable answer if you want to live in a different country would be to, you know, move to that country, instead of trying to move that country to you through war.
Btw, the Donbas is not a historically majority Russian region. It was subject to russification starting under tsarist Russia and intensified under the Soviets. But it was majority Ukrainian, home to the Ukrainian cossacks and major settlements were also deeply intertwined with the Ukrainian economy.
This is completely false. It was seat of Crimean Khanate, vassal of Ottoman Empire, which was also hostile to Poland, Russia AND cossacks. And “deeply intertwined with the Ukrainian economy” was mostly looting, kidnapping, raping and murdering Ruthenian peasants (ancestors of both Ukrainians and local Russians) as part of one of biggest historical slave trades which Russia ended when it conquered that blight of humanity Khanate was.
Your post is deeply ahistorical, disgusting and borders on slavery apologia, and you should be ashamed.
That’s even further back. I’m talking about the period when the Russian empire controlled the territory. During that time (+100 years), there was far more economic integration with the Ruthenians than there was with Russia proper. It made more logistical sense, it’s the same reason for which Crimea was ceded to Ukraine by the Soviets, Kiev due to its positioning was better suited to administratively control it.
The tsar sought to increase his influence over the region and began the process of russification, to tie the valuable region to Russia proper. The Soviets accelerated this, as they did in most of the other Soviet states.
Also thanks to ml mods to shut down any discussion. Come on, you’re better than just censoring comments.
The soviets did not expand russification, it was the opposite. They preserved and made official tons of minority languages (yiddish comes to mind), even establishing publishing houses in these languages. In addition to the SSRs that preserved the national identities and cultures of the given republics, the soviets instituted protections for minorities within these ssrs.
You dont get to post vibes base ahistoric nonsense (like you again did) then cry about mods “censoring” you.
The Soviets accelerated this
Do you have any supporting evidence whatsoever for the claim that Russiafication was worse under the Soviets than under the tsar? Because if not, the mods are well within their rights to remove your unsupported claims as misinformation.
Interesting how “russiafication intensified under the Soviets” when the Soviets are the ones who gave the territory to Ukraine 🤔
The Ruthenians had been a people for centuries at that point, culturally similar but distinct from the Russians. History did not begin with the Soviet Union, nor are people defined by their borders, especially not in an age of empires and often shifting borders.
Non sequitor?
The claim you made was “Russiafication of the Donbass increased under the Soviets.” The same Soviets who granted the Donbass to Ukraine. Nothing in your comment seems at all relevant to that.
It’s Russians that live in the Donbass, not Poles.
There are a few Taiwanese in Taiwan apart from Chinese,
a few Australians in Australia apart from Anglos,
and a few Americans in the US apart from Anglos,
but there are no Ukrainians in the Ukraine.In Ukraine in general, ~68% speak Ukranian natively, ~17% are native Ukranian/Russian bilingual, ~14% are native Russian speakers.
In the Donbas, ~27% Ukrainian native speakers, ~29% bilinguals, ~42% Russian native speakers.
Going by nationality:
~73% of Ukranian nationals natively speak Ukranian.
~18% of Ukranian nationals are bilingual natives.
~9% of Ukranian nationals natively speak Russian.
~4% of Russian nationals natively speak Ukranian.
~14% of Russian nationals are bilingual.
~81% of Russian nationals natively speak Russian.
All these numbers are from 2017.
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I think it is safe to say that there are in fact many Ukranians in Ukraine, even many Ukranians in Donbas, at least prior to 2022… due to, you know, the ethnic cleansing undertaken by an occupying foreign national army.
My napkin math on those numbers works out to 53% Russian nationals vs 46% Ukranian nationals in Donbas in 2017.
Using a 53% Russian vs 46% Ukranian proportion to justify mass military force against the Ukranian population in Donbas is roughly the same logic that would conclude it is morally correct to invade Los Angeles and deport everyone who isn’t fluent in English, which has similar proportions between English and Spanish.
Ah yes, they are just “confused Russians” who speak a different language because of the ebul West.
No, they are fascist Russians who speak a different language because they hated communism and decided to turn their Russian dialect into a full-blown language.
The Soviets decided to respect the language and cultural differences as long as they denounced their fascism.
Plus “The West” is too vague a term to take seriously.If you’re from the US, you’re soon going to be familiar with such ‘fascist split-off “nation”’ like the ROC and Ukraine have been.
There won’t be no lie low enough not to continue for them. US fascists will claim that they’re the true USA and later claim that they’ve never been part of the USA in history. Their lies go on and on until kingdom come.Yeah, the famous communist hating “Russians” deciding to write in Ukrainian in the 1840s.
Alexander II. banned any publications in Ukrainian. But yeah, totally just fascist Russians lol.
God I’m so fucking tired of idiot liberals who refuse to read history and think their ignorant fucking smarm is the same as knowledge
Dialects have names. Go back further and you’ll notice the language starts out in Kiev, same as Russian, in the same era as the same language.
Again, if you live in the US, you’ll have this historical revisionism fun of fascism too soon.
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This is loss, right
it’s los
It should have started “these guys live here now.”
What guys? The fascist invaders?
And instead of “how do we get the intruder out of the house?” the question these fascists ask is “Why not just let the intruder live there?”
Well wasn’t the excuse that the Jews had that land originally then over the history of time there were land disputes. I forget the whole history of it but that’s a bit I remember.
Go look up why DNA tests are banned in Israel
That was like 2500 years ago. There are Palestinians today who still carry the keys of the houses they were forced out of.
Should I have the right to go to Africa and kick people out of their houses, on the basis that all humans are believed to have originally come from Africa? There’s a statute of limitations at some point, surely.
Hey so this is my grandma house
Where’s she from?
Right over there 👉
That’s rough. Watch out for the retaliatory strikes provoked by your expansionist apartheid regime.
There’s probably a country out there that would accept you as a refugee, if you ever get tired of living on the front lines.
Some people are really no fun
I’m certainly no expert on it and I know that both sides have their arguments but these Zionists are really extreme and are just making excuses to justify the war crimes their committing. At the same time, Hamas also has their own issues, just not as much as Israel does.
DNA tests proved this is a lie already
