I’ll start. I’m a 37-year-old woman, and I’ve always been indifferent about having children. I love peace and quiet, but at the same time, I wouldn’t mind having kids if my partner really wanted them.

I’ve been with my husband for 13 years now and married for 11. I’m his second (and final) wife. He has three kids with his first wife. She was supportive of him taking a second wife, with just one request: no more children. That solidified my decision not to have kids.

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    No. Not even close to financially stable as a college student in his mid-20s.

    Also, if I did want kids, I think I’d rather adopt than bring a child into a world that is dying and end up not being able to ensure they have a future that doesn’t end in apocalypse.

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    My first kid is almost 3 and we have another on the way. It is so fucking draining and so fucking awesome. My wife and I joke about what the hell we did in our free time before our daughter. We both have careers and hobbies so it’s not like we were bored, but it is so much fucking fun having a kid. We would definitely kill for some more free time, but highly recommend it. Also, if you decide to have kids, it’s not very difficult, it’s just a lot of work.

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    I’m probably the only person i know irl that wants to have kids. Every one of my colleagues is rather against it, and i totally understand them. Economic difficulties, environmental protection, …

    Yet i do feel like having kids would be nice. I’d definitely love them. That’s all i need to know.

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    I didn’t want kids for the entirety of my twenties. I’ve been with my partner since we were 21 and she wasn’t keen on kids for that whole period either. We got married at 30 and it wasn’t long before we both felt like kids was something we wanted.

    She is currently 35 weeks pregnant and we are both super excited about the impending birth of our daughter.

    We have the occasional “Oh shit! What have we done.” But mostly we can’t wait to watch her grow and teach her about the world and do exciting things with her.

    We know it’s going to be a huge change but we are very stable in our lives and the time is right for it. We are both really good at supporting each other by now so we know we can cope with change together.

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    As fucked up as his ex wife’s request may be, if you’re indifferent that’s reason enough not to.

    I don’t want kids. I can’t even take good enough care of myself and basic household upkeep. Adding the stress and cost and limitations that come with having a kid are just non-starters. That and I just don’t feel any need or want in the first place.

    That said, if I could actually have a real biological child with my same-sex husband and the question wasn’t purely hypothetical, I’d have to think about it some more.

    Or maybe if the universe threw a homeless queer teen at us who had nowhere else to go, maybe I’d consider adopting, maybe. But adopting an actual child or infant is a real tough sell, even if I would ideologically prefer that to having an actual biologically hacked together two-dads kid

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    No

    I think if you truly understand the current situation in the world we live in, economicly, socially, and environmentally, it is an extremely selfish act to create more human life.

    That being said if I can ever escape poverty and have the extra money i would love to adopt

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        Not fast enough lol

        The single most defiant act an individual can do twoars society is refuse to reproduce, after that is refusing to contribute to the society.

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          I respect your opinion obviously but I disagree. If the only people who can afford children are the rich then they will be the only people left. I get the sense from your comment that society will miss your offspring, and while I think it should as genetic diversity is a good thing, automation is likely to hurt the value of labor given our current direction. While genetic determinism is overused, I would put forward that those who succeed at capitalism have more sociopathic tendencies and desire for power. If only those people breed will not those traits become more prevalent? If that is the case then for the sake of humanity I think you should breed. Or maybe all of this will be made mute by genetic engineering, who knows.

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            Lmao this is the issue

            Selfish people only think about who spawns more soldiers for a fantasy ideological war. Or for some sick fetish with spawning to perpetuate your oh so special genes and family name.

            People don’t fucking consider anything about the life their children will have to live, and then have the audacity to say “i love my child”

            Birthing children into poverty is abuse. At least just as abusive as a parent who can supply everything for their child but refuses to, because the effects of neglect are the same.

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    I would probably only have one or two kids. I think it is beautiful to bring someone into the world and teach them the good and the bad of it. But I won’t have more kids than two because it would be unfair to bring more children into a world that is quite literally burning. If I get kids, I teach them to appreciate existence but to leave the planet should the travel to and habitation of Mars become viable.

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    38 (cis-M) here. Yes, I do want kids and have pretty much all of my life. I want to give them opportunities that I didn’t have, encourage pro-social attitudes, and share in the joy and wonder of discovering things that, as an adult, are very much taken for granted. At this point, however, I’m getting pretty doubtful that it will happen.

    Coming up on 10 years with my spouse and I’m not sure that I’d even have the energy at this point - being sole income and providing care for someone who has disabling mental health conditions and endometriosis has been extremely stressful and exhausting. And she’s back and forth on whether she even wants children, due to said conditions (which is not unreasonable). If we had more partners than just the two of us to share the load, it could work but, endo is chronic, degenerative and hers has only been getting worse recently so, I’m not too optimistic - for bio or non-bio.

    Quick footnote on the subject: The “selfish ones” related to having children are the anti-natalists and anti-childfree people who think that everyone has the same life experience as them and want to judge others based upon their myopic views. Having children is not inherently moral or immoral - it’s just a function of biology and a personal decision.

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    I was supposed to be childfree. I have c-ptsd from childhood, like my guardian did prison time for how bad of a parent they were.

    Of course, I had no support from family as a young adult and found myself in a DV situation at 23. He never hit me, but did all the other standard abusive things. I tried leaving him around the three month mark, but it took me 3 years.

    He was hell bent on having a baby. He wouldn’t let me on birth control, nor could I afford it anyway, so we used the oull out method. Until he’d pin me down and just, rape me. My son is my third pregnancy. The first two I was able to discreetly taken care of, by the third pregnancy from this man in a year, I felt guilt, and didnt have the freedom to even go to the doctors on my own. So I kept him.

    Got free for real when my son was 14 months old. I dont deal with his father at all. No child support, once he lost control of me it was apparent he wanted nothing to do with the baby he had to have so badly.

    My son is 12, with severe adhd and odd, mild conduct disorder.

    Ive dedicated my life (giving up my career) to helping my son navigate his emotions and express them in a healthy way so we don’t repeat the patterns of, nearly every male in my and his bloodline. I’m thankful for the behaviorial health field of study.

    Sometimes I feel like my kid’s father still has me trapped, especially on bad days. I wont discuss what regrets I have, we just move forward and do better tomorrow than today.

    I sure as fuck am not abandoning my kid to the wolves as my family did to me. I wanted to break the cycle the easy way and just not habe kids, instead, I’m doing it the hard way and idk. Im doing it. I love my kid, hes a good kid.

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    The child-free voices are strong on social media and this comment section seems pretty one sided.

    I’ll chime in to say I’m a man who wanted kids. I’ve got 2 now. One has additional needs and is a whole lot more work than even what people are trying to avoid with “normal” kids. The kids are super young and my job is super busy… Despite how crazy all this is: I’m loving it. If I went back in time, I’d tell my younger self that I wouldn’t change a thing and that awesome things await.

    This is going to turn into a mini essay. I’ll preface it with saying the following truths are to be taken as presumed throughout: 1. You do you. You’re obviously allowed to make your own choices for your own reasons. 2. My reasoning and conclusions for myself do not apply to others. Just because I have chosen to take on a task, does not mean other are lazy for not doing it. My conclusions are personal and obviously I expect most to come to their own conclusions for their situation. 3. There is no objective truth and it is possible to take any path.

    For me, I really don’t think life is about having lots of free time or to min/max responsibility vs pleasure. I see responsibility and difficulty to be inseparable from the joys of life. I don’t like hearing my parents talk about what I should do with my life, but I put work into maintaining a relationship with them because I want the joys and benefits of a good relationship with my parents. Equally, I want the joys and benefits of kids. The closest analogy I can think of is of getting a dog. No one online questions the joy thay looking after a dog brings, and it is easy to understand the huge responsibility being worthwhile. I find kids very worthwhile.

    I accept that everyone doesn’t have resources and privilege, but (no matter who you are) there will never be a “good time” to have a child. Literal millionaires are complaining about not having enough. There is almost never a time in life when you feel you’ve got tons of extra time, money and sleep. There is no training to prepare for children. You can avoid time around a particular exam, job move or house move……but other than that, any time you have a child you will be equally unprepared.

    There are 2 types of joy in life. There are things that are pleasurable at the time (being slumped on the sofa and binge watching Netflix) and pleasures that come in hindsight and achievement (running a marathon, that sucks at the time but gives ongoing joy because of the achievement). I’d say kids fall firmly into the second category. I didn’t go to university because it was easy, I put up with the difficulty because I wanted to have a degree. “We go to the Moon not because it is easy, but because it is hard”.

    Objectively, it is remarkably difficult to have children now. Houses are difficult to afford and everything is expensive. Childcare is extortionate. Work is busy and unforgiving. There is no community to help with children anymore. Parenting is expected to be more intensive than it has ever been (when our parents were children, they used to leave the house for hours and play by themselves; now we’re deemed neglectful parents if we aren’t actively engaged with our children 24/7). The final point I would add is: no one else makes this decision for you….not Lemmy comments, not your parents or in-laws, certainly not a partner’s ex(?).

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      I’m really happy to see positive comments about people wanting kids even though I’ve chosen the child free route. It makes me happy to know that there are folks out there who want kids for the love of it even if it is hard. People should be able to make the decision themselves and do what’s right for them. I do believe it’s a worthwhile and rewarding endeavor but not one that should be half-assed.

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      Thanks for this! I want kids myself, and constantly see people online being so negative to the idea, it’s nice to see someone here being positive to it.

      To me, it’s quite simple: I really want kids. Have wanted for years. It’s probably a biological urge more than anything else, but I find myself daydreaming about playing with my kids, taking them camping, and showing them how to build a treehouse.

      We’ve accepted that there will never be an “optimal” time to have kids, so at this point we’re kind of just “waiting for it to happen” (i.e. not actively preventing kids from showing up).

      There are people out there moralising about how it’s irresponsible to bring kids into this world, and I honestly couldn’t care less what they think. I’m confident that I can give my kids a good life, that they’ll be glad they were born, and that they will bring a lot of joy to the world.

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        irresponsible to bring kids into this world

        Completely disagree with this stance.

        There has never been a time in history when the world hasn’t been on the brink of disaster. My parents faced a world with the constant threat of nuclear war, HIV being a new unstoppable and untreatable terrifying catastrophe and relentlessly rising violent crime till the end of the 90s (all of these issues now are arguably well managed). They still had me and gave me a good life and I would argue that my parents and I are contributing significantly to make the world better regularly. We now have better healthcare, food and resource than any time in history. It’s very self centred to think the major problems we are experiencing now are “the worst ever” and insurmountable.

        Sure humans have made terrible systems that have led to a global climate disaster and terrible inequality…but the answer to that is not to stop having children. Sure the global population needs to go down to a sustainable level, but it’s happening way too fast in Japan and Korea and is a disaster in itself there.

        There have always been people in impoverished parts of the world with absolute deprivation and no hope…they are not irresponsible for having children. A right to family life is a human right. Compared to most of the global population, most people online here are living like royalty. Everyone is presumed to be capable of having a family until proven otherwise.

        Stop listening to idiots online. Good luck with your future.

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    Im 36 years old. No I dont want them. I would never wish a life to experience this economic selfish and greedy system.

    Average salary in the United States is 40,000. People are paying over 60% of their income on housing. Prices for everyday goods continue to rise and the commitments to protecting the Earth aren’t taken seriously.

    Weather continues to be more extreme and oddly behaving. Corruption increases in politics and technology is being developed without ethics in mind.

    No way in hell I subject my children to any of that. Plus my husband and I have both mental illness in our families and suffer from depression from time to time. I never wanted to be here and neither did my husband. We wish everyday we didnt have to exist here. We love each other and our families, but this experience on Earth is not it.