Haha! Funny meme, with no real world connection!
Found the computer-science major.
Some part of me hopes that the current shit show eventually reaches some sort of conclusion and all of the people that actually have real-world skill sets will get to go back to what they know how to do because the business that ran on capital will have collapsed. I know it’s an unrealistic hope. But it’s a hope nonetheless.
Most of this is due to Xitter didn’t collapse spectacularly after only a skeleton crew were left working overtime (crunch), so others followed suit, then kept pointing at AI. What we need is strikes, building alternatives so we can actually boycott, etc.
Man, I hope so. I’ve been job hunting after my position with a government contractor was eliminated in February, and despite a decade of experience, I can’t even get to the first round of interviews.
I think we’re going to see a big shift towards small to medium IT/dev companies, and a ton of freelancers. I’m one of those, because I’m about to start doing IT work for businesses in my small town.
despite a decade of experience, I can’t even get to the first round of interviews.
I’ve had several places reject me without even a phone screen. My last job was the same role, the same tech stack, and I achieved the things they wrote about in the blurb. I just get back “we’re looking for someone more aligned with our needs”.
What needs?? I check every box you put on the post!
My friend thinks the jobs don’t exist, and they’re just posted so the company looks good. Or they’re some other fraud.
I think that happens, but also there’s incompetence in the funnel. Recruiters can’t read, ai sucks, blah blah blah.
Often companies post jobs “to be fair”, but have already decided on an internal hire. The word is 80% of hirings never appear on job boards.
I have over a decade of experience as well. Nobody in my small personal “network” knows anyone that’s hiring right now (I hate the fakeness of networking for networking sake, and am not very social, so I don’t have much of a network). I’ve applied to hundreds of job postings over 6 months, interviewed with maybe 6 companies, and rejected usually just because they were also interviewing 10-20 people for the same role, and another person had slightly more experience with a specific part of their stack, or they just liked another person more for whatever reason. I believe all remote job postings get 1000s of applicants, and every one local to me get 100s.
It all kind of reminds me of when I tried using online dating apps, lol.
My friend thinks the jobs don’t exist, and they’re just posted so the company looks good.
They definitely did that at college job fairs. They wanted to keep their spot, but weren’t hiring that year.
I think we’re going to see a big shift towards small to medium IT/dev companies, and a ton of freelancers. I’m one of those, because I’m about to start doing IT work for businesses in my small town.
My friend is a townie, and he does this. Actually, we’ve been musing about putting our lot in together, since I usually work for the corp outfits, except I can’t find fuck all lately in the 9-5 realm.
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I see a lot of people blaming this on AI and raised interest rates.
The real reason for this stagnation is Section 174 of IRS code that was added by the 2017 tax cut bill. The section took effect in 2022 and was added to balance the budget.
This section basically doesn’t allow to deduct cost of the software engineers and they are amortized over 5 years (10 years for international engineers). This puts some strains to regular businesses, but it kills start ups, as they are required to pay taxes even when they are still not profitable and might not even pay 5 years.
Lack of start ups means there is smaller number of openings which is lower mobility. Combined with amortization, it discourages hiring new people as again it requires 5 years.
I see this being dismissed and “it is definitively the interest rates and AI” AI is nowhere close to replace software engineers, in fact from the coworkers that enthusiastically embraced it I see lower quality of code. Interest rates actually came back to what they originally were before 2008.
The hiring issues started exactly when section 174 went into effect. I think the hiring craze in 2021 was only because companies realized that with slim margins in Congress a bill won’t pass that will repeal it so they were hiring like crazy before it become a law. Indeed Democrats were trying to repeal it, it even pass the house, but it was blocked by Republicans in the Senate. Because God forbid they would help Americans and in turn let economy to look good under Biden.
Why are all companies talking about efficiency and AI instead of creating pressure to fix easily changed tax laws?
AI has currently captured the public consciousness more than tax codes ever will. My theory is that it offers a simple scapegoat to a complex series of problems, and that is easier for stock trading masses to understand
My theory is that it offers a simple scapegoat …
That’s my intuition too. In my experience, adopting AI mostly has lead to marginally faster MVPs, balooning sloc in PRs, and an explosion of wildly unqualified people applying for tech roles and sometimes even getting them.
It’s a better kind of nihilistic business story to say that LLMs have been so disruptive, that people are getting fired, rather than investors are scared and greedy and are just being guided around by vibes and their amygdalae right now.
Companies hype themselves to increase stock price. Trying to drive social change via the masses could easily backfire. If a company wants to change the tax code, they usually just hire lobbyists and donate to political campaigns, and you never hear about it.
I think this is only a small part. Interest rates are kinda high. VCs only want to invest in companies with AI exposure because of all the hype. From companies I’ve interviewed with, offshoring seems to have accelerated dramatically (companies only had or wanted a few US devs to manage larger Indian teams). I’ve visited career pages of companies working in the business domain I have the most experience with, and all open software positions are exclusively in India.
Good fucking god, the traitor’s handlers are just pure unadultered fucking evil.
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Unfortunately I have no hope of this happening in our lifetime. Maybe the lifetime of the next generation, but with climate change on the horizon, I have little hope for that as well.
With climate change on the horizon, people with real, applicable skills will come around again. Because we’re gonna need them when we’re all eating roach stew and 49’ing, like nasty boys in Fallout.
yeah pretty much. sometimes i feel like the only thing standing in the way of a job that could serve as an entry point into IT/software engineering is me. but i’ve tried everything and have gotten nothing but radio silence and rejections. i developed personal projects, cleaned up my linkedin page, networked with others that happened to be in the field when i worked retail, revised and revamped my resume several times over. my standards were low to begin with, now they’re below the floor. nothing’s come of it. i don’t know what the secret sauce is. i really don’t know what else there is to do besides succumb to neetdom and chronic dependence. my stupid ass applied for a master’s program too, i guess i’m hoping that things are somehow better once i’m finished with that. or so that i can keep telling myself that i’m the one in control lmao.
What you’re doing is the secret sauce already, you’re just missing luck. Obviously take whatever job you need to pay rent in the meantime, but if you keep it up then I think you’ll get something eventually.
It is the worst time in all of history to be a software developer looking for work, so don’t internalise it.
I’ve started working in IT over 20 years ago. In my humble opinion, one of the keys is being specialized on something that not everyone else can do. Become proficient in a certain area - devops, quality assurance, security, whatever.
On top of that, try and acquire a niche skill that makes you the type of employee that’s hard to find and replace. For example, banks are really desperate to find Cobol experts because most of those are pensioners now.
I know it’s tough, and I wish you had it as easy as I did back in the days, but it’s all I can tell you, unfortunately.
No way man. I thought this entry barrier was ‘only’ in my country. We are all on the same boat, then…
wooo! comp-sci dropout! I heard way too many of you describe the kind of code that gets written under deadlines and client demands. Programming is fun, why would I want to ruin it by turning it into work?
A piece of advice I wish I had listened to is “don’t turn your hobbies into a vocation”.
There are a lot of other hobbies though, and not many other careers that pay as well as comp sci. If you can turn a programming hobby into a career, you should. You’ll have enough money to find another hobby.
I abandoned my plan to go into software development by means of university, left secondary school and took up employment in a different field.
After a bit of lateral movement and promotion to a job that was more desk-oriented, I’m doing a computing degree part time, and I actually really enjoy it.
I’m doing it for fun, because I enjoy the subject - I’ve got no plans to use it and there’s no job pinned on the hopes of passing. It’s wonderfully liberating.
That said, I appreciate I’m in a privileged position to be able to do what I’m doing.
And I think this merits being said, I think I speak on behalf of many here that we’re happy for you! Congratulations!
Thank you, friend. It’s lovely to have such a positive reply.
I’d recommend it to anyone - education is never wasted. This is the end of year five or six now mind and I’ve had a bit of a titsful of it - the summer break has come at a perfect time. I’ll smash this last year in then give it a rest I think, maybe formalise my French over a year or two.
This happened to me. I did a couple years of Java web dev work right out of high school from 2001 to 2003. I used to love programming, but doing it full time completely ruined it for me. After all this time, I still haven’t even done more than start and immediately delete projects.
Me with a degree in wildlife conservation!
Yet finding work is almost fucking impossible and dealing with the bureaucracy of job hunting is so overwhelming, my unmedicated AuDHD ass cannot keep up.
Yeah, I loved graduating with an environmental degree, and the only relevent jobs being hours away.
I expected a lot of travel for the career, I just was naive in expecting that travel to be reimbursed as it’s a condition of the job. Nope, gotta foot the bill yourself.
I have passion for this career in conservation but, unfortunately, I also have to be able to afford the cost of living.
Yeah, that’s what I mean. To work anywhere in my field, I’ll need to pack up and move, finding an apartment on my own and still taking care of myself, while on a salary that’s not particularly great.
Me, the janitor with nothing but a high school diploma behind corner guy:
“They probably think I’m low-key good at math.”
I haven’t seen couples dancing like that in awhile.
Yeah that’s like how I dance with my cat lol
LOL, this meme has two layers, as they say “real sciences don’t need “science” suffix in the name”
Computer science and programming are two different things. Computer science started as a branch of mathematics, looking into calculability: what problems can a computer even solve. I had a course on algorithms by a professor that had never programmed a line of code in his life, everything he did was in pseudocode.
I went to school for Rocket
Can you actually get a degree in rocket science? I feel like the closest would be aerospace engineering.
Rocket surgery?
Rocket appliances
Computer degree
That’s my life currently 😂😭
Why would you do this to me
Me, with a degree in informatics engineering working in data science for almost 3 hears on my third world country: How the fuck does an uneducated burger flipper in the US/Europe earn as much money as a congressman 😭😭😭
Go get your dick wet its easy… You might have to lower your “standards”…
Get it lower… even lower… alright, low enough to reach that American Standard.
Yet they think they are gonna be anything with that business administrator alpha delta phi dum dum degree. Would you like you hogslop on the floor or on a bed of rice with a nice glass of aged 30 year pee? Dreams yeah they got em. Dreaming dreaming away. Ai is a search engine that sucks, that is given too much credit. It is like putting the world on pause as the “leaders” contradict themselves. The clock is ticking the world is burning, airlines got insurance for when the nukes drop. Don’t worry you can still go to Disneyland.
what
Vibe coding you mean
