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  • It’s actually frustrating how some version of this “problem” is brought up whenever conditions become better for people who earn the least. Like, yes, it makes people like you or me feel poorer compared to the rich fucks of the world, but would you rather go back to poor folks being literally destitute, unable to care for their families?

    Problem’s coming from t’other end, gov. Not those poor chaps.


    Sorry not directed at you of course; just took the opportunity to go off lol. :P



  • I’m getting the feeling that you’re from the US based on your distrust of the government, which in your case, I guess is fair.

    But I think the person you’re replying to probably has in mind a situation that is much better than the current one in the US before we even start seriously considering buying up private property for the commons. The obvious first candidate would be utilities like water/power/internet. Without a profit motive or investors to pay off, they will offers the best service at the lowest price. Not to say private alternative wouldn’t exist, but that you would always have the cheaper public option to fall back on, and also keep the private alternatives from jacking up prices only the make a profit.

    Public housing could work in a similar way, where you have the option out there on the housing marketing, in addition to banks and private sellers. For instance, in my city, we have public housing that is $8/mo. I lived in one of these public cooperatives with my folks until my teens, and it was great. Really gave us a leg up when we needed it.

    PS. I recommend turning off visible vote counts. Downvotes were getting under my skin too, but now all I see are comments.


  • You’re absolutely right. There’s so much broken with our existing democracies at the higher levels (and municipally as well, I’m sure), that it is maybe too optimistic to try and extend to influence of the political class into more industries.

    I have a hunch that workplace democracy (usually in the form of unions) is one of the lowest hanging fruits to improve the situation overall, and it’s still hypothetically within our reach in much of the global North. That is, it’s still a risk, but it’s unlikely that the army will be called in the open fire on strikers (yet).


  • You’re certainly entitled to you opinion, and we’re chill on the same things, but I do think more industry – especially the kind which are utilities – should be nationalised. I’m even open to the abolishment of private property. But I think we need updated democracies (better representation, maybe try local direct democracy nodes?) before we start getting close to seriously considering these questions as policy.

    And of course it may turn out that these solutions (nationalising, all property publicly owned, etc) aren’t the best ones for human flourishing, so then we just course correct.

    As long as we don’t get tooo attached to any particular ideology, and focus on outcomes, I think we could make a much better world. Kind of borrowing the Meliorism aspect from liberal democracy and running with it here, I guess…