As tensions escalate between California and the Trump administration over immigration, another potential battlefront is emerging over taxes.
The spat began with reports that the Trump administration is considering cutting funding for California’s university system, the largest higher education system in the nation with about 12% of all U.S. enrolled students.
In response, Gov. Gavin Newsom wrote Friday afternoon in a social media post that California provides about $80 billion more in taxes to the federal government than it receives in return.
“Maybe it’s time to cut that off, @realDonaldTrump,” Newsom said.
This would be madlad behaviour if it actually happens
One thing that might be misunderstood here is that California not paying taxes wouldn’t harm Trump. Trump’s goal, made clear from a sum of lots of behaviors, is the destruction of the United States. Defaulting on its debt, zeroing its GDP, destroying the livelihood of its inhabitants, and ultimately killing its war machine, so that they can’t fight Putin’s army. California’s lack of payment may just hasten that goal.
It might put California on the track to surviving Trump’s destruction and becoming a civilized country opposed to Putin, unlike other US states.
If just New York and California did this, it would cripple some red states
All red states. It would cripple the country and thus ALL red states.
MOTHERFUCKING DO IT
Stop bending the knee to a felon rapist traitor who uses the military to assault American citizens.
Stop providing welfare to failing red states who elect felon rapist traitors who target blue states.
Unfortunately not something really he has a lot of control over, though he could start a movement
CA is the forth largest economy; it would destroy the red state fuckheads if they stopped paying federal taxes. The rest of us follow suit and we defund the motherfuckers stinking up the government.
If you are sending our military against OUR OWN FUCKING PEOPLE we should not be PAYING FOR IT. My taxes don’t go to that fascist bullshit
🖕🤬🖕 Fuck drumpf and every bootlicker that got him (probably illegally) elected
I honestly don’t know how this is even possible. Doesn’t the withholding go directly to the IRS? The issue of federal income tax is between the federal government and the taxpayer.
Yes. California would need to split off its banking system.
Ok, this is an idea I had after reading numerous comments on this post. You’re all asking how this would work … hear me out.
California declares its own currency, the “California dollar”. Wages earned in California dollars wouldn’t be taxed like US Dollars.
There are some issues to work out; I think the IRS does tax your foreign assets … some … but I think that this scheme could work.
Economically, it would be an uphill battle. The US dollar is strong because it’s backed by decades of sound monetary policy (that will go right out the window when jerome powell’s tenure is up) and a AAA credit rating for treasury bonds (that will disappear when the Republicans in congress finally drive us off a cliff) . A Californian dollar would be untrustworthy for a while as its central bank would need time to build trust
Soundish monetary policy. In the end it’s a fallacy that has never even been tried on a theoretical level. We just did it and people were like, ok. We’ve been kept afloat by monetary and military threats. The policy makes no sense on any level, that infinite debt is perfectly fine or normal.
So private prison giant GEO group Donates heavily to Trump‘s campaign. Trump has ice indiscriminately pick people up for “deportation“ where they are sent to prisons run by GEO group. Concerned citizens protest ICE actions in California. Trump illegally deploys national guard without the consent of California’s government to attack law abiding citizens in California. Gavin Newsome, Liberal democrat and defender of capitalism, uses legal tactics to fight back against illegal activities. To me this act rings hollow. Please someone tell me what I am missing, because I would love to have a glimmer of hope these days.
Don’t bet on hope from this. California can’t win on its own.this needs to build significantly before it has an effect.
I’m not sure how legal it is for CA to stop paying taxes. At the very least, it’s an attempt to attack where it hurts, which is in the money.
Trump does not give one rat fuck of an ass about the law. Why the fuck should anyone do anything for the federal government and pay taxes at this point?
Calexit is becoming less and less of a meme every day.
I’d be so God damn happy if we left this shithole nation. And opened up for refugees of the failed state of America.
But it’s what they want… It’s part of the plan… even just the idea to cause uncertainty and confusion… They want to enact material law… running is a choice but fighting fascist racist felon dictators is the only real choice and if they can delay the elections because of civil unrest or whatever bullshit they are trying…
California is basically its own country it has everything it needs… But you can’t fight trump like a politician… You have to play his game and beat him… He’s a bully and a coward… Saying we won’t pay taxes does nothing to protect the people on the streets
So what I’m hearing is… Deploy the Cali National guard to DC and Mar a Lago to defend Trump and the government from unrest in L.A.
I mean that would never happen but sounds like a good time
I see. So, part of the plan to take it over as an independent nation-state run as a neo-feudal technocracy that Curtis Yarvin has advocated?
Technically trump’s presidency is illegal. But here we are.
Been saying that we’re headed for balkanization since the clown won his first term. Not seeing any reason to change that prediction.
balkanization
For uninformed people like myself:
Balkanization is the process of a country or region fragmenting into smaller, often hostile units, typically driven by ethnic, cultural, religious, or geopolitical differences. The term originates from the Balkan Peninsula, a region that has experienced significant fragmentation throughout history, and the term is now used more broadly to describe similar processes elsewhere.
I’m not looking forward for the chaos preceding the emergence of the next superpower if US balkanization happens.
US balkanization is exactly the chaos preceding the emergence of the next superpower.
California, without the constant drain on its resources.
China
Maybe. They’re floundering since Xi put economics on a lower tier than his own power.
The EU could do it, but it will require sharp thinking and sharper action.
Isn’t it just China at this point?
Feel free to join Canada my friends.
Breaks down when you start seeing all the blueberries in the ketchup and you realize that’s where huge portions of the population actually live.
So much of that red state territory is vacant real estate. A big chunk more is functionally disenfranchised (Indian reservations, migrant labor communities, large prison populations).
This illustrates regions of political control. But it is in no way reflective of homogeneous popular opinion.
Shit, even doing shades of purple without getting more granular than the state level would change the map drastically. This winner take all bullshit is the dumbest part of the electoral college.
I remember seeing it as “america” vs “dumbfuckistan”
I would really like to come visit if the road border near Detroit is still relatively safe. My passport and driver’s license have the same name and gender so I might have a chance.
They might still get you on skin colour, ethno-linguistic origin of name, left-wing political affiliations, religious affiliations (or lack thereof), type of employment or specific employer, perceived accent, or a boarder agent just having a very bad or a very good day.
I’m neither rich nor skilled enough :( If I was I’d be up there like yesterday
New Californian Republic 2027?
Just join Canada. If you are willing to consider you aren’t the center of the world, you are welcome.
No they’re too big, instantly doubling the population wouldn’t go well. At most a Euro style partnership if a few more western states broke off.
West coast alliance :)
Oh sick can we get the yaogui on the flag too?
They will just flatten it with carpet bombs.
California is unlikely to give up their nukes.
Educate me for a moment, are Nukes on a seperate grid by state?
I do not mean power plants:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Livermore_National_Laboratory?wprov=sfla1
They can all work off the grid, in case we get hit first.
If the military was being deployed before for so little reason then hold on to your butts, the entire US military will be thrown in to the mix and California will be treated as an occupied state in no time if they touch the money.
Doubt they’ll be paying much taxes if everyone is a prisoner in their own homes
The federal government will just levy more taxes upon the remaining states. At least 10 thousand good dubloons and various gold statues and concubines per year
The tighter your grasp, the more states will slip through your fingers!
