Both Trump and his “border czar,” Tom Homan, have said California officials could face arrest if they’re perceived as impeding ICE operations.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom pushed back against threats of arrest by Trump administration officials, remaining defiant as he oversees clashes between law enforcement agents and protesters in response to immigration raids across Los Angeles while also managing an ongoing power struggle with the federal government.
In an interview for MSNBC with NBC News’ Jacob Soboroff, Newsom called Homan’s bluff, urging him to “just get it over with” and move ahead with the arrest.
“He’s a tough guy. Why doesn’t he do that? He knows where to find me,” Newsom said. “That kind of bloviating is exhausting. So, Tom, arrest me. Let’s go."
One guy who’s actively defying this orange turd and all the fucking tankies on here would rather shit on Gavin because he’s not the perfect online liberal like they are.
You people are the fucking problem right now.
The American left is engaged in a slow and unconscious suicide. Meanwhile, conservatives are fucking evil as fuck.
He’s thrown vulnerable people under the bus and has no principles other than what he thinks will help his career. Yeah, he’s doing the right thing here, but let’s not pretend he’s good because he’s doing the bare minimum
We can work with him while recognizing he’s not a true ally
When someone is cooking a good meal, even if they are generally bad at cooking, shut up and let them cook.
Fucking this.
Furthermore, when people won’t even cook at all (online leftists who do fucking nothing but complain), they have no space to complain when someone is doing any cooking.
Only the sith deal in absolutes. Idealism is for idealists, aka tools. We are flawed beings, living in a flawed world, we have to deal with flaws. Nothing and nobody will ever be perfect for anything and everyone, that’s not a good reason to let fascists have their way. We can work out the details after the revolution.
Idealism is for idealists, aka tools. We are flawed beings, living in a flawed world, we have to deal with flaws. Nothing and nobody will ever be perfect for anything and everyone,
These are just your ideals, dum dum.
Idealism uses a different definition for ideals than you are here, dum dum.
How is that a false standard of beauty, perfection, or excellence?
‘The Left’ isn’t going to do shit in their ‘revolution’ except talk about it online.
They don’t show up to anything.
Yeah, that’s why there are so many protests going on right now with people being arrested for confronting and resisting the current administration, because leftists never do anything, right?
Yeah I see tons of actual people protesting, not the terminally online Leftists here.
Regular people are fighting, not the tankies ;)
Exactly. I’m so tired of watching the left destroy themselves from the inside. Progress is slow. The right are clearly masters of playing the long game, they’ve been building to current events for decades. They’re happy to take the 10% wins bit by bit. They’re happy to make sacrifices for their progress.
Meanwhile the left demands nothing but perfection, and constantly cannibalises itself for not being perfect and revolutionising the world day 1.
You don’t have to suddenly love the guy, rewrite history, or swear loyalty. You just have to know when someone’s actually helping and not get in the way.
The right wins because they fight together. Business conservatives, evangelicals, fascists, libertarians. They might hate each other behind the scenes, but they march in line, and they’ll eat burnt toast with a smile if it gets them closer to running the kitchen.
A rational and situational understanding of the situation gets a lot of spears thrown at you, a lot of people claim left or right, I think for the most part the ones demanding absolute perfection with no compromises really just want a war. We’re in a world of broken boy soldiers with no glory to kill or die for. We’d rather devolve.
The solution to the left cannibalizing itself isn’t to ignore issue with people, it’s to acknowledge those issues and seek out what we can work together on. Random online leftists aren’t meaningfully getting in the way by criticizing him, I’d argue it’s important so we keep in mind where he’s an ally and where he’s an enemy.
I’d argue random online leftists criticizing non perfection is exactly why Trump won.
This isn’t to say we should turn a blind eye to or ignore the valid criticisms, and I get that people think that’s exactly what you’re saying if argue in this direction. It’s just, wouldn’t it be better if people were currently protesting and petitioning for Harris to do something about the issues they didn’t like her stance on, rather than protesting essentially illegal deportations in their own country?
I feel like it’s kinda missing the forest for the trees.
So, in a situation and conversation about him being an ally in the only substantial way he can be in this specific situation you’re going to get hung up idealism about a perfect elected leftist representative in a country that has never reflected those ideals?
Not when cooking that meal could let them become head chef.
Newsom has his eye on the presidency, and he could win it if he becomes defined by this and not all the terrible shit he’s done.
At this point I’d take that as a win. Do you not understand the shit soup we are drowning in right now? Don’t let your idealism be a tool for the fascists.
Working together doesn’t mean we have to pretend our allies have no issues.
Newsom doesn’t meaningfully resist fascism and his brand of politics are a major part of why we’re here. Yeah, I’ll stand by him while he’s fighting, but that doesn’t mean we can’t criticize him.
We can’t afford to see him as a true ally. He will abandon everything we’re fighting for if it benefits him. A tiny percent of leftists criticizing him online amongst themselves will have no impact on how successfully the fascists are able to seize control.
I’m out there alongside liberals who hate most of what I believe, we can be open about that while still working together. We have a common enemy that needs to be stopped.
It means working with people you don’t like but it doesn’t mean we have to pretend they’re perfect, or even good.
If the conversation is about what they are doing to help, maybe don’t be a dick about it, there is a time and a place. Choose your battles.
imo an important part of discussing what someone is doing to help is discussing how much we can trust them and how they’re capable of helping. That mecessitates discussing what they’re bad at.
You’re 100% right there’s a time and a place. I think a discussion in a left-leaning place like Lemmy with essentially no impact on what action people take is an appropriate place.
Garbage analogy for a garbage argument.
Fuck you. Do better.
The acceptance of liberal fascism is how we got here. It’s not how we get out.
Liberal fascism doesn’t fucking exist. Fascism is a right wing ideology you nutter.
This is literally authoritarian rhetoric.
No, the “well they’re both corrupt/bad so fuck it” without acknowledging that bad/corrupt is a scale not a binary is how we got here.
No. People pointing out corrupt politicians aren’t the problem. Its those who cover for them and pretend like they are heros who are the problem.
What cover have I given anyone? I’m calling out all the couch potato leftists who couldn’t even get off the fucking couch to vote against fascists because of their bullshit purity tests.
You’re covering for a fascist right now.
Why should people vote for a genocide and reward it? If anything, making them lose despite the consequences is right thing because then youll send a message and democrats will finally learn to give ground if they want to win.
“Bullshit purity test”
Go F yourself for thinking that holding a stance against genocide is some “purity” test.
“I’d rather watch immigrants be rounded up and the genocide accelerate than compromise.”
“I’d rather compromise on genocide and refugee abuse than abandon fascist politicians.”
who gives a shit about genoicide? humans are garbage. let’s all kill each other. the few that survive will build a better society. most people never learn anything unless they learn it the hard way.
the only things that matter to me is environmental reform, a return to science based decision making, and destroying capitalism.
People like you, are the reason we are stuck with fucking trump.
People like you are why we end up with the choices of genocide vs fascism in the first place
Hey, I don’t want to assume; did you involve yourself in the last primary elections for the democratic party frontrunners? I don’t have respect for people who protest voting AND don’t even participate in primaries.
Hi, yes I do participate in all primaries and local elections. I also vote on measures whenever those pop up. I think all these are important.
To be productive, here is what I think we need to do:
- ranked choice voting
- ban PACs and donations other than by people
- limit campaign contributions or spending, so that you also dont have an unfair influence from the rich
There is probably a lot more that can be done, but this is probably a good start
I appreciate you not just assuming things btw, thank you
Well, shit. There’s a lot to not like about Newsom, but I can think of 100 democrat politicians that would have folded like wet Kleenex by now. He could be a lot more aggressive about this, but he’s clearly trying to exhaust all the normal channels. Critical support for Gavin.
Yeah I’m surprised he didn’t offer to switch parties, GJ Gavvy
Gavin Newson kept California safe during the peak uncertain times of COVID.
Gavin Newson survived a recall that was initiated by the trump blowhards in Orange County and the Central Valley.
We do NOT NEED 2,000 national guards deployed to L.A. Trump WANTS to make things escalate, and 2,000 troops WILL make things escalate.
Your dipshit dictator is siccing military troops on citizens. This is war against citizens.
He did some great things during the peak but, since, he’s frequently been nothing but a corpo ghoul. Sabotaging efforts to break up convicted killer and “power company”* PG&E. Supporting rate increases so that the board of convicted killer and “power company”, PG&E didn’t have to face any actual penalties for killing people. Adamantly opposing any wealth tax. Putting significant support behind RTO/quiet layoffs.
EDIT: Forgot my own footnote.
* “power company” here used in quotes because they seem more practiced in getting away with murdering people though negligence and avoiding consequences for knowingly contaminating water supplies with carcinogens.
I was a supporter for a while, but the more I get to know him, the less I like him. He’s just another Corporatist Republican-Lite Democrat, and those are the losers that got HitlerPig elected in the first place. If he becomes President, HitlerPig, or someone worse, will be back in office in 2032.
I want the next Democratic president to be an aggressive, no apology, hard core reformer, who isn’t afraid to stand up to Sociopathic Oligarchs and Traitors.
Yup. I’ve been pissed off at him since he started using the pied piper approach to avoid competition from the left, during Trump’s first term. He’s done a lot of good and bad since.
Don’t think for a second Newsom is a hero just because he opposes Trump. He’s a very corrupt individual.
Last time we fought fascism we allied with lots of adversaries to take down the larger threat. I’m down for doing that again.
Honestly, short of some miracle undoing this whole mess, this was a flavor of outcome I was quietly hoping for. At some point, politicians are going to realize - much like the president’s base - that they’re going to lose power unless they mount some kind of opposition. For the very worst ones out there, power is kind of their whole bag. Take it away and they get very angry; they may even do something about it. It’s kind of the tacit driving force behind any “checks and balances” scheme: power-hungry bastards trying to out-power-hungry-bastard each other. In a gross way, we kind of depend on it.
I’ll take a Trotsky over a Stalin any day. Besides, this is Hollywood shit. The gov of California is a relatively blanched position. It’s a showpony job by design. Newsom has power here because everyone that has power in Sacramento and in the county system supports him. Everybody fucking despises Trump except the neonazis at this point.
What is it about important blue states, like California and New York, that keep voting for corrupt pieces of shit(Eric Adams)‽ Again and again¿ Like I’m an out and loud proud social democrat in probably the reddest state, but it gets exhausting trying to juxtapose that with trying to tell people how corrupt every single repuglican is.
$0.02: good people know enough to not take the job, let alone run for it. It’s expensive to run for office, doesn’t pay enough, eats up your life, you’re constantly advertising to stay employed, and your co-workers are all politicians. It’s very much a “I offer myself as tribute” kind of a situation, even for extraordinary people.
Meanwhile, a corrupt person knows that it’s worth all the trouble if you convert political power into (illegal) money.
Yep, I had a friend that was one of those I can change the world types. He was major of a place for a while, he said it sucked because you can barely accomplish anything, ans if your staff doesn’t like your ideas they work against you in subtle ways like not bringing you the relevent information on topics or reports etc. Basically clandestine backstabbing all term
Liberalism is a fascist ideology.
How exactly is Newsome impeding ICE?
They’re talking about arresting teachers for protecting their kids. They are not talking about Newsome cuz he’s sueing the government. But yeah, go and make this issue about your ego and presidential run bud.
He’s not impeding anything, but Republicans love manufacturing an alternate reality that justifies their violent thugishness.
This guy sucks soooooo much. I hate that he’s probably going to use all this in a presidential bid.
It’ll probably work. In the unlikely event we do have another election. I’ll probably vote for him too. But he does suck when he’s not taking advantage of a fat orange shitbag. Just remember that.
Trump’s “border czar,” Tom Homan, warned Saturday that immigration operations and the presence of federal personnel would continue in the city despite criticism from Democratic leaders who’ve warned it could further escalate protests. He threatened arrest for anyone who obstructs the immigration enforcement effort, including Newsom and Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass — though he acknowledged that neither yet had “crossed the line.”
Cross the line, Gavin. Cross the line and we’ll believe it’s not an idle threat. Until then you’ll always be Patrick Bateman to me.
The illegal deportations were the fucking line that was crossed. Put those fuckers on the defensive and don’t let them abuse language like this.
Let’s see Stephan Miller’s card…
The tasteful thickness of it…oh my God it even has a swastika watermark.
“That kind of bloviating is exhausting.”
Bloviate - talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.
Instantly added to my lexicon. There’s another word I’ve often used when I should have been using this one, because the other word (malapropism) isn’t exactly what I am meaning a lot of the time but it was the closest thing to what I was trying to convey (someone talking out of their ass in a way that tries to sound intelligent when it isn’t).
I keep a message chain to myself for new words - here’s my most recent:
architectonics, antimonies, deracinated, vituperative, idempotent, moither, uxorious, voussoir, integumented, exuviated, entelechy.
moither
That’s the opposite of foither! 😃
If ya want another one for thine lexicon might I suggest gormless? It’s when one lacks intelligence or vitality. You can insult someone’s intelligence and their dick if you are clever enough.
I hate the word so much because Bill O’Reilly used to constantly use it back in his hayday (early 2ks) so I associate it with him.
I remember that and even as a teenager it drove me nuts because that is exactly what his entire news slot was …him , bloviating. Fuck that guy
Hi all, I hope people hear this and the post is not hidden. This is an insecure system, and talking on here about things you want to or will do will be used by the regime.
Please take this as it is meant. I fully appreciate the anger and the pain you are all feeling, and you are totally right to fight, but you must fight smart.
DO NOT LET YOUR ANGER GET THE BEST OF YOU. If this goes the way it’s looking like it might, direct fights with whatfever is left of the States’ forces is suicide, and the good guys need all the boots on the ground you can muster.
There are many veterans of the war on terror who are literal experts on the tactics needed to win this; seek them out.
Assume all coms are monitored because they are. Look after each other, people.
A friend who knows the score.
Get em Gavin
He’s not perfect but Newsom’s one of the few political figures resistance to the Trump regime can crystallize around. Yes I’m well aware he’s the type of guy who’d like to find common ground with these assholes but he’s at least willing to risk provoking Trump’s goons into overextending themselves.
If I am a betting person, and if Trump doesn’t arrest him sooner, I would bet that Newsom will run for president near 2028, and that is when Trump will have him arrested.
Newsome will definitely run for president, and HitlerPig knows it, that’s why he’s going after him now.
Alexei Navalny would advise Newsome to not get arrested easily. Fight these fascists at every turn.
So are you? A betting person?
In the case of Trump? No. The dude is unpredictable.
100 true!
he’s got a law degree, and passed bar, he’s aware of what an enormous investment opportunity that level of civil rights violation would entail.
Just more TACO comments from wanna be bullies. These people would lose their teeth in a street fight. Then act like they are Rocky Balboa on state media Fox News. The reality is that they are pussies. Punch a bully and he never bothers you again.
I look forward to Trump having this guy arrested shortly followed by Arnie coming out of retirement, tooling up, and taking the fight to the orange man. “I told you I’d be back!”
