Imagine my surprise reading this on the LA Times this morning (emphasis mine):
“I would not acknowledge reproduction as a human right, but instead as a form of rape,” IndictEvolution wrote on Lemmy.World in July 2023. “I am also not bothered by infanticide as long as it is done humanely…”
Here is an archive of the article.
Here is his account.
It looks like he only stayed on Lemmy for about a month, most likely a temporary Reddit exile with the earliest exodus on June 2023. The article mentions threads on Reddit but doesn’t provide any quotes from there. User IndictEvolution on Reddit deleted their account, and the article makes it sound like they are referring to a different username that they don’t specify.
Preemptively bombing a fertility clinic as a last resort.
We’re hittin the big time boys!
We did it Reddit!
Woop! We made mass violence perp level!
I love how quickly lemmy.world speed ran the aesthetically lib to fash redditor pipeline problem without even a profit motive behind them.
I mean lemmy.world aims to be Reddit 2, and reddit had jailbait, fatpeoplehate, the_donald, keeps Gamergate subreddits open, r/conspiracy, and so many more horrid things kept up because it made more clicks.
So why wouldn’t lemmy.world keep an active terrorist on board? Think of the potential money to be made.
Maximizing the MAU and pLTV of a niche internet forum for the love of the game.
Fucking wild that Lemmy made it on mainstream news… of course it had to be some stormfrontian to get it to that stage…
If I had to choose between a bomber and something like r/jailbait (which was the medias first big look at reddit) as the sites big first exposure to the world, I’m going for the bomber every time.
It is not called stormfront.world for nothing
Who calls it that? ?
Typically Leftists on the various Lemmy instances.
But that’s me! I guess world is p heavy with the liberal apologia, so I can see it.
The defining trait of Stormfront of course being its liberal apologia. These people are not grounded in reality and just need to keep finding more extreme labels for the people that did them wrong.
No but liberals, esp centrists, have a much higher tolerance for fascist ideology, esp cryptofascism.
It’s like when people just don’t perceive how awful racist dogwhistles like DEI, globalist, thug, etc.
I agree the term goes too far. I just see the connection. Most liberals are well meaning patsies, but they have a line.
That’s an absurd level of connection though. It’s blown right past the mild hyperbole of calling Twitter a Nazi site because it doesn’t ban Nazis, past calling your Fox News uncle a Nazi for voting to “stop the caravan”, through labeling MSNBC a Nazi station because it buys into the “break the conservative fever” myth, and into the territory of “everyone who doesn’t agree with me is an actively organizing Nazi”.
Stormfront isn’t a site for “well meaning patsies” and calling .world a Nazi site is just making up a heroic story for why the fascist at 7/11 kicked you out because he hates communism rather than because you were being an asshole to everyone else in the store.
I normally just call them Axis.world
Usually is more common on Hexbear and other more explicitly Leftist instances, I don’t typically frequent slrpnk.net so I am not sure if that terminology has spread there. If it hasn’t, it’s likely due to defederation and whatnot, IMO. Just spitballing, but I’ve seen stormfront.world frequently enough.
Least fascist lemmy.world user 💀
I think I am a world user, it was just the top of a drop down menu when I created my lemmy. God damn it.
You’ve got nothing to worry about. It’s the largest instance. There’s no particular stigma for users on it. Unlike there is for the more ideologically selected instances, like .ml.
Lemmy.world is also ideologically selected, they deliberately defederated from the larger explicitly Marxist-aligned instances. Lemm.ee is an example of an instance that tries to be more ideologically neutral, .world is openly liberal aligned.
It’s also run by Europeans so they decided to stomp down on discussions of jury nullification around the time somebody (I didn’t believe it was Luigi) ventilated that healthcare CEO’s head. Which is why I changed instances. Jury nullification is the last tool available to an oppressed citizenry to fight back against unjust laws and/or unjust applications of law.
They’re a huge instance most people joined by default. No one sane thinks a .world account means anything about the person posting under it, except maybe they just went along with the pseudo-default.
You guys think there’s a big rivalry and anyone who hasn’t rebelled against the unjust persecution of the tankiest instances must have cast their lot in with the enemy, but in reality no one really thinks about it at all.
I don’t judge people based on their instance at an individual level, that’s not my point. Like you said, most on Lemmy.world picked it because it’s the largest instance. However, the moderation and admins do have an ideological bent, and over time this filters out users that don’t “fit in” with that, leading to an “average user” with views aligning with the average mods and admins.
I don’t really care ahout inter-instance drama, it’s not that deep. But I do notice trends and I understand how soft-censorship works and how consent is manufactured. Plus, there are terminally online users on Lemmy.world that do see all Marxists as enemies and wish to take down Lemmy.ml, so that does exist, and is tolerated by Lemmy.world mods and admins.
Then there’s me, who joined .world because it was the largest, is a Marxist, but has no idea how to even switch instances or access .ml where I would like to be 😂
Personally, I try to stick to instances that will only defederate from others if there are major, serious issues, like illegal content and what not, and that are also not largely defederated by other instances. That way, I get to have a more complete experience of Lemmy / the threadiverse without missing out on major chunks of it. I think it’s counterproductive that the majority of instances defederate major, legitimate instances, especially now that the Lemmy software allows each individual user to block entire instances if they wish to. This only serves to weaken the threadiverse as an alternative to other major discussion sites. It’s even possible for instances to issue default instance blocks on new accounts if they are worried about the new user experience, removeable by the users themselves if they so wish (like lemmy.zip seems to be doing).
The main instances that I’ve found so far that seem to follow this “defederation only as a last resort” philosophy are the following:
- lemmy.ml (although this one is a bit risky for this purpose because there is constant lobbying on liberal instances to start blocking it, despite it being the original and reference Lemmy instance)
- lemm.ee (my main instance, appears to have the second fewest defederations of other instances)
- lemmy.zip (they don’t defederate from much - third fewest out of this list - but I understand that new accounts have for instance hexbear and lemmygrad automatically blocked, which each individual user can unblock)
- lemmy.sdf.org (they defederate from the fewest instances that I’m aware of - the only defederation they currently have seems to be due to technical issues arising from a dead instance)
If you would like to keep contact with the broader range of Lemmy instances, these are the ones I would look into. You can check which instances any Lemmy site defederates from by visiting <site URL>/instances and clicking the “Blocked Instances” tab.
I chose my instance because it wasn’t defederated by .world and hadn’t defederated from hexbear or .ml https://midwest.social/instances
I like my leftism but I also like my slop.
You can just make an account! Go to Lemmy.ml, or whichever other instance you’d like such as Hexbear.net or Lemmygrad.ml, and apply for an account. You can’t really swap over, but you can create a new account and log in that way.
I do think it would be better if people spread out a bit more though. I don’t believe it’s healthy for our communities to have any instance approaching “default” startus.
The irony is almost too much coming from a .ml account…
Irony is when anti fascists call people fascists, apparently
Inb4 muh red fascism.
Great deal of propaganda comes from trying to make anti fascists as bad as fascists themselves
Blackshirts and Reds is extremely relevant.
Uneducated ramblings about horseshoe theory have entered the chat…
It’s a propaganda technique that dates back to the Nazis themselves
? This instance has been doing a pretty good job banning reactionaries so far
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Holy shit, that is just pure racism. Good way to prove their point, you dingus.
Here’s one for example
Least racist lib
Oh fuck they’re going to call us all extremists
You think that quote’s bad, you should see what they’re saying on Xitter
We’ll have to push back with pointing to the decentralized nature of the fediverse, and that there’s gonna be crazies on some instances. I always use email as an analogy when explaining Lemmy, maybe we could continue that and argue you wouldn’t blame all of email infrastructure if an extremist had a gmail or Hotmail or whatever.
Actually now that I read that, it just might be more confusing. But there’s gotta be a counter angle to argue to get ahead of people thinking “Lemmy=bad”
Also even if the cops shut down world, people will just … move. Like yours and my instances don’t even have the word “lemmy” in the domain. I don’t think anyone would care beyond “we shut down that radical forum.”
Though most likely is it goes completely unnoticed and some bombing or shooting or human rights abuse next week will shoves it down the memory hole for good.
some bombing or shooting or human rights abuse next week will shoves it down the memory hole for good.
Next week? Try last night in DC. I’m doubting this will even register tbh
It’s funny because even of the people I know, it’s actually like “lemmy=what?” Even of the people I’ve talked to about it.
They’re so painfully disinterested, they usually tune out after the first five words of my fediverse elevator pitch.
In that same period, Bartkus’ rhetoric on alternative social media sites was dark.
I’m just proud they know we exist.
The next terrorist to come from lemmy better not be another edgy fash loser. Do better.
Must be pretty embarrassing for .ml that shitlib central got a terrorist before they did, ngl.
I disagree. terrorism and accelerationism are not needed and do more harm than good. The idea that you can just commit political violence and solve your problems is too tempting to angry people, who then believe that the actually successful tactics like organizing are not necessary. It’s taking the easy way out and usually just turns more people against you.
Of course, violence to protect people from the violence of the fascists is entirely acceptable and to be lauded.
I think they’re joking lol
Well, some adventurism seems to have some positive effect though. Look at how taking down the UHC pig is being received by the public. Could be used to radicalise some people perhaps
Eco or better!
I dk what’s better than eco.
Old school like Narodnaya Volya perhaps.
That was quite a read. Going to need to watch some youtube on this but concerned it may lead certain names going up on “The list”
lmao, the only mod action on his account was removing him as the mod of !antinatalism@lemmy.world three days ago, after he was already dead.
Which was the day after the bombing, FBI must have been up LW’s ass pretty quick.
LW still not banning that comm is disgusting
That seems very minor. I wonder if it was just a coincidence. Someone pointed out in another comment here that he’s still the moderator in a couple of other communities.
That’s the only mod action for the entire community, if it’s a coincidence it’s a wild one.
I think the guy was the only mod, and he stopped posting 2 years ago.
Ah, interesting. That pushes it more toward probably not a coincidence.
here comes the influx of fascists i guess?
when they come looking for the dangerous hacker known as lemmy.world
Lock it down!
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Of course it’s fash nonsense, too.
This person was removed as the sole mod for !antinatalism@lemmy.world three days ago.
Edit to add:
- NBC: Reddit bans an anti-natalist group after Palm Springs explosion.
- The Intercept: What is “Efilism,” the Obscure Anti-Natalist Ideology of the Palm Springs Bomber?
- Rolling Stone: Palm Springs Bombing Suspect Apparently Promoted Human Extinction
- https://web.archive.org/web/20250000000000*/https://old.reddit.com/r/efilism
- https://web.archive.org/web/20250000000000*/https://old.reddit.com/user/UraniumTetrachloride
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He’s still the sole mod for !efilism@lemmy.world and !chemistry@lemmy.world, though those communities never really got off the ground.Man this will probably hurt the amateur chemistry community due to overreacting crackdowns, even though this is one guy who was part of that community and plenty of other people have done bombings without any interest whatsoever in amateur chem. I do think the community needs more moderation given how frequently I see dumbasses on reddit doing some extremely dangerous shit without realizing it, but this will probably get any discussion of fun chemistry banned everywhere.
Mander.xyz is a better instance for science than Lemmy.world anyways.
lmao
Wow. Now there’s a bunch of people who should never have been born. Too bad they’ve gotta make it everyone else’s problem
Of course he was a .worlder lmao. That instance is really never beating the allegations.
People fighting over instances is fucking stupid.
卄乇ㄥㄥ ㄚ乇卂卄
Aww, but stirring shit from a third instance is fun!!!
Not really tho. Some instances talk a big game about their cOnCeRnS when defederating from the explicitly leftist instances but then let fascists of every ilk say the wildest shit as long as it’s directed to whomever is the villain of the month for libs.
I’d agree except it’s the biggest one, so fair game imo.
It’s like Hamiltonians taking swipes at Toronto.
Truly the /pol/ of the fediverse
Holy shit the jokes just write themselves. It’ll be amazing if .world doesn’t try to censor this.
Man I am just glad I never made an account there.
Where should I go?? I thought .ml was bad
https://join-lemmy.org/instances
Just look around and join whichever looks interesting. It’s not a contract, either - you can change your mind whenever you want.
This (slrpnk.net) is my third instance.
Well, that depends on what you want. Lemmy.world leans right and harbours transphobes and racists, hence the nazi.world jokes. Personally I think such users should just be allowed to make fools of themselves, but if you find that disturbing you can join another instance. lemmy.ml leans left, lemm.ee is fairly centrist, and sh.itjust.works is mildly right. But all are great instances.
Lemmy.ml is seen as “bad” on Lemmy.world because the average opinion of Marxism-Leninism on Lemmy.world is negative, but that’s not the case everywhere. If you aren’t hostile to MLs, Lemmy.ml is fine.
It really depends in what you want in an instance, though. My favorite instances are the niche ones that stick to a common subject or theme, mander.xyz is a good example of a science-focused instance, or Hexbear.net which is focused on Left-Unity and anti-Capitalism.
Hexbear is an interesting beast. It tends to be really insular because it is defederated by a lot of the bigger instances. But it does have a strong sense of community, and a lot of its own in-jokes. From the outside looking in, it often looks like a dumpster fire. But the reality is that it’s more like old 4chan, where it always looks like a dumpster fire on the surface… Then when you dig deeper and start understanding some of the memes, you realize it’s actually a really interesting community surrounded by a dumpster fire
Most people are mad at hexbear because their moderation policies are consequentialist not deontological and thus more stringent against stupid online shit. As a poster you don’t have a “right” to post on hexbear, however the community has a right to be protected. As such it’s one of the better places if you don’t want to read reams upon reams of lib coded bigotry.
Hexbear was its own thing for years before federating, that’s why it has a stronger site culture than most other instances. It’s unapologetically Communist, so those who are hostile to that quickly defederated from them once they started federating.
Lots of instances defederated because of the tendency to brigade. Since Hexbear was already a fairly large instance before federating, it meant it tended to dominate a lot of conversations on other instances. People have similar complaints about .world these days too. But fairly early in the first Reddit exodus, there were a few cases of Hexbear brigading smaller instances, and the Hexbear mods/admins clearly didn’t have any interest in stopping it. So not all of the defederation is purely politically based. Politics may have helped swing the decision, but it certainly wasn’t the only reason.
Yeah. The “it was just because they hate communism” descriptions of hexbear defederation are just making up a story of oppression to explain why it wasn’t actually their behavior that got them locked out. People don’t hate communism, they hate trolling, tankies (in the literal sense with the Ukraine invasion), and brigading (referencing their fights with the libs and then a bunch of commenters swarming).
I could take or leave the lemmygrad defederation, but hexbear absolutely made its own bed.
I don’t really think it’s brigading to participate on threads you’re federated with. If comments on threads federated with Hexbear are active, Hexbear users see them, and as Hexbear is a large instance, this appears as brigading, but is just a natural element of participation in federation. Some instances are hostile to Communists, so they didn’t want a bunch of Communists on every thread, so they defed.
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What a colorful modlog you have, frequently suicide baiting and complaining about Marxists. Always funny to check the modlogs of people most upset about Lemmy.ml.
Lemmy.ml is generally seen as fine, or positively among instances like Hexbear.net and whatnot. Users hostile to Marxists tend to also be hostile to Lemmy.ml, users pro-Marxism tend to be fine with it.
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I mean, you’ve been banned many times for telling other users to kill themselves, tried to claim calling a user “guy” isn’t misgendering them, and seem to just be generally toxic. It’s nice as a bit of confirmation that those who complain the loudest about Marxists also generally are toxic people. I wouldn’t call the mods removing your suicide baiting comments and transphobic remarks “shitty.”
Hexbear.net is worse regarded among people who hate Marxists, yes. As a Marxist, I don’t really hold the opinions of those hostile to Marxists as particularly important, the driving divide is in people’s position on Marxism. If I went into a MAGA conference, I would expect to be hated as well, but I wouldn’t care much either. Anti-Communism is the biggest division, those supportive of Communism tend to be okay with the Marxist-aligned instances.
Lemmy.zip and lemm.ee have been consistently the best so far.
And anyway, the main reason not to use lemmy.world is just that it’s the most popular. The whole point of coming to the fediverse is to decentralize so joining LW kinda beats the purpose.
If you want my personal opinion, it depends on how you want lemmy.
.ml is held by Marxist-Leninists. Most users there aren’t, but if you care about that, its either for you or isn’t for you.
.world is held by centrist liberals. Most users don’t care about that, but if it matters to you, there ya go.
My instance is for anarchists. There’s ones for queer people. Or people who speak German. Or Italian. Or French. Some are made for being NSFW, some are made to shitpost, some are isolated by choice or massively de-federated.
But most instances don’t care who you are or why you’re on it, just don’t break the rules.
So far lemmy.cafe lemmy.zip sopuli.xyz all seem fine, I don’t recall a constant issue with the userbase.
I signed up for it when leaving reddit just because it was the biggest, what’s wrong with .world?
.world is ideologically liberal on average, so a lot of people on the fediverse take issue with that as Leftists tend to be more prominent by ratio than on Reddit. It’s also the largest instance, and gets hate for that, as a lot of people like the decentralized aspects of the fediverse.
Not much, its just has most lemmy users/communities so its a big point of failure.
…That it’s no better than reddit and doesn’t ban right wingers? Like that IndictEvolution account is still up lmfao
My echo chamber noooo
Liberalism is the dominant ideology in western society, banning the Marxists but keeping the liberals is more of an echo-chamber than a Marxist instance banning liberals could hope to be. Liberals never have to engage with Marxism if they don’t want to, Marxists must engage with Liberalism on a daily basis.
So is the !antinatalism@lemmy.world community he was a mod of
So what? I don’t think we need to worry about his future posts.
Spouting blatantly ecofascist rhetoric should have had him banned and his comments removed. Instead the community he modded is still up and still posting ecofascist shit with zero pushback from admins.
Truly the cesspit of Lemmy
I bet he was an Arch user!
What the fuck is wrong with you? This guy bombed a clinic, and you are joking about the distro he used?
Found the Arch user.
Fedora actually. Regardless, work on that whole cynical tween thing and try not to spend too much time trying to be edgy by misreading Nietzsche. You’re better than that.
You got “cynical tween” and “misread Nietzsche” from a four word joke about Arch users? Okay, sure buddy…
He did some damage for sure, but thankfully I don’t believe anyone was seriously injured.
Wait, is this not the guy who killed someone by bombing a fertility clinic? Did I just make the assumption that this was the same guy???
