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ChatGPT: “They took our jobs!”
Lllama: “Dey terk er jerbs!”
Grok: “derr terr err jerr!”
Did it though?
They’re already starting an attack on FOSS (free open source software) with FB declaring Linux news/content a security threat .
The actual threat is to the for-profit golden geese and billionaire egos that just got dunked by a free alternative.
Edit to add source: https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/facebook-flags-linux-topics-as-cybersecurity-threats-posts-and-users-being-blocked
A lot of AI is free, openAI, meta, Google, Apple, etc. all release free models for a wide variety of things, that you can download and run yourself, and have for years.
The thing with AI development is there will be a new top best in a month or two. It’s always changing, no one person or company is ‘winning’.
with FB declaring Linux news/content a security threat .
The best part is (according to someone here yesterday) FB runs on Linux.
most other things also run in linux.
Correction: Free & OpenSource Software
Thank you!
Yes, @taytay, free as in liberty, not free as in beer–but don’t kid yourself, if there’s a chance of doing anything remotely useful or groundbreaking with any of those for free, that number likely rounds to 0.
I saw another funny one somewhere. Apparently one of nVidia’s social media accounts posted a bible quote. Someone replied to it with something like “Hey fellas, I’m not so good at the stock market. Is it good news when your investment starts praying?”
It’s fake, originally posted by Intel.
You ate the full bait LMAO
I didn’t say it was true, I said it was funny.
The thing can’t even pretend to be scared correctly.
Finally found someone who uses Duck AI
I loved this joke when Jon Stewart also made it.
Yeah but he’s locked behind obscure paywalls anymore so he’s hard to keep up with.
Which sucks because I always liked his rational commentary balanced against other pundit-comedians’ “You-should-be-outraged-we-should-be-outraged” schtick.
I think it’s a pretty obvious joke. We don’t need to act like it was stolen.
I will log in to twitter just to retweet this one
Context?
The new Chinese LLM, DeepSeek, has caused a US AI stock market crash. The best analogy I read, elsewhere on Lemmy that icba to dig up right now, is that while Nvidia has been insistent that you need their Rolls Royce or you have to walk, a Chinese company has released an affordable family car.
That analogy is flawed to the point I’d say it’s completely incorrect. To try and save it, I would go with …
A Chinese company has released a free car into a market full of free cars, but their car is the 2025 model so everyone wants it as its new. It won’t be new for long, and everyone will want a different model soon.
Nvidia targets businesses with their products, consumers having free cars isn’t a big issue for them as companies will still need their trucks.
Nvidia stockholders think the sky is falling and are pulling out, causing them to think the sky is falling, causing them to pull out. The real threat here isn’t DeepSeek, it’s that stockholders start to see AI doesn’t actually offer all the benefits that have been promised to companies looking to cut cost.
Edit: Oh and nobody is running the actual real 720GB, Deepseek R 671b model that can beat GPT, without using very high end expensive Nvidia cards. The stuff people are running on their machines at home is like a go-kart compared to the car.
Eh, analogy will be imperfect due to nuance, but I’d say it is close.
The big deals are:
- DeepSeek isn’t one of the “presumed winners” that investors had been betting on, and they caught up very quickly
- DeepSeek let people download the model, meaning others can host it free and clear. The investors largely assumed at least folks would all abide by the ‘keep our model private if it is competitive and only allow access as a service offering’, and this really fouls up assumptions that an AI provider would hold lock-in
- DeepSeek is pricing way way lower than OpenAI.
- Purportedly they didn’t need to push their luck with just tons of H100 to get where they are. You are right that you still need pretty beefy to run it, but nVidia’s stock was predicated on even bigger stakes. Reportedly an attempt to train a model by OpenAI involved $500 million, and a claim to train a “good enough” for less than $10 million dramatically reduces the value of nVidia. Note that why they are “way down” they still have almost a 3 trillion dollar market cap. That’s still over 30 Intels or 12 AMDs. There’s just some pessimism because OpenAI and Anthropic either directly or indirectly drove potentially a majority of nVidia revenue, and there’s a lot more uncertainty about those companies now.
I also think this is on the back of a fairly long relatively stagnant run. After the folks saw the leap from GPT2 to ChatGPT they assumed a future of similar dramatic leaps, but have instead gotten increasingly modest refinements. So against a backdrop of a more “meh” sentiment over where they are going you have this thing to disturb some presumed fundamentals in the popular opinion.
DeepSeek runs so much faster than gpt4
No idea when its feed data cutoff is, it like all others isn’t allowed to look at the live internet
Does is use up fresh water faster than GPT4 too? Because no one seems to be talking about that. They barely talk about it with American LLMs.
It seems to need an order of magnitude less compute, so probably. It’s also open source
Nice irony. Yes, jobs are absolutely going away - which in the long run will be a good thing because people definitely won’t have to work as much. Also the economy is going to have to adapt, including the wealthy class not hogging everything while everybody else either works as much as possible or sleeps outside. The transition will be difficult because the wealthy mostly control the things that have to change - including their ability to convince the dumber people to be afraid of change - but like many other unpleasant inevitabilities, we can’t put this evolution off forever, and the longer we do, the tougher it will be. We can sponge and rinse the dishes now or soak and scrape them tomorrow.
Best we can do is a feudal tech oligarchy holding a gun to the head of an already dying world.
That’s certainly one possible outcome, but hardly the best.
When has humanity ever been led by those who would choose the best outcome?
There have been periodic golden ages that tend to last the lifetime of an enlightened ruler - many in ancient China for example. In modern times these periods tend to happen when tech breakthroughs produce widespread benefits until someone figures out how to withhold them and charge rent for them.
