Suppose trump was actually the one to negotiate a cease fire with Palestinians and Isreal. That can only be considered in hindsight and would not change the harm reduction calculation. Notice how no one was arguing that trump would actually be the one to end the fighting in Gaza?
Right.
Tankies and trump supporters:
regressive fascist fuckface supporters and tankies all along:
Trump stops the genocide
OOP must have been fucking zooted out of his mind, no sensible Arab or person in general believes trump is going to solve anything; in fact, he will make everything so much worse.
At this point, i wish the best for our brothers and sisters in Palestine, and i hope they live to see the end of the genocide. It’s a lose-lose situation for them either way, but one way is clearly worse.
He’s more likely to finish the genocide rather than stop it.
I’m also very concerned about Sudan and Syria, too. The democrats were always shit like all politicians and political parties; but republicans are very up front on what they want to do to us.
jfc, i don’t know who i hate more: democrats who want to keep funding israel, or pro palestinians voting for trump. Either way, the death will continue.
The fact that some people voted for a basically open fascist because of something happening outside of their country is fucking wild
I just hate when they say one imperialist colonizer is bad (Israel) yet another good (Russia). Fucking hypocrites don’t actually care about the suffering - just the political wedge they can use.
I haven’t ever even broached Tibet because I don’t think I could stomach witnessing the ensuing trainwreck of logic.
It’s just so incredibly intellectually disingenuous. I got in it with one at one point (big mistake on my part) saying that no country or system is perfect, and a meaningful indicator evidencing critical thought is the capacity to criticize your own system. What, in their mind, were the top issues with China?
- Too much freedom in the market.
- Doesn’t project it’s system outside it’s border enough.
Ok. I’m talking to a rational actor. Lol.
People need to remember Netantahu wants Trump in power, so is going to make decisions that are good optics for Trump when he can. He similarly made decisions that are bad optics for Biden on purpose. While Biden did himself no favors, never forget Netanyahu is the one who put him in that position.
It’s so odd that the time line for this surge of fighting happened right through the election cycle. You know, it’s almost like if you were to coordinate political strategies with your allies you could find advantageous opportunities that serve each other to the disadvantage of your opponents. Except, that could never happen, right? Right? As if what appeared to be genocide was just sloppy blitzkrieg trying to cause as much damage as possible in a limited time frame.
Ok, I’ll shut up now, I wouldn’t want people to think those with unlimited resources are capable of high level strategic warfare.
I’m just going to link this article:
https://newrepublic.com/article/172324/its-settled-reagan-campaign-delayed-release-iranian-hostages
Henry Kissinger did something similar to delay the end of the Vietnam war, in order to get Nixon elected.
I would like to remind people this conflict is decades and decades old, it’s not a democrat thing, or republican thing. America has supported this genocide for over 50 years. The democrats and republicans of now will surely, if unfortunately, continue.
While true, I’m over 50 and have never seen such mechanized destruction in my lifetime. And yes, now I’m woke to the fact that my country has supported this shit the whole time.
Israel must be the worst genocider in the history of genocides, considering the Palestinian Arab population has grew from 944k to 5 million in this time, and that’s not counting the Palestinian diaspora. Arab population of Israel has also grew, from 200k to 2 million right now. Like I said the worst genocide in history, the only genocide where the genocided population grows.
Sources:
Even Arab israelis are still oppressed, despite having citizenship. Arabs in the south levant are at best, second class citizens. And at worst, targets.
Not only the politicians actively express their wish for genocide, Netanyahu has actively compared palestinians to Amalek, which has been used as justification by people like Baruch Goldstein.
In whole, or in part.
Like I said in the comment above, from 1m to 5m in the part of West Bank and Gaza, and from 200k to 2m in the part of Israel
Work on them critical thinking skills
More like 3000 years+. The entire region has been fucked up forever. They just have had someone else to blame for the last 70 years.
Yes, the region has been in conflict for far longer then a century. I’m talking about the country of isreal, as its less then 125 years old. Zionism is the part that wants the genocide of palastine for the new state of isreal, which started a bit over 100 years ago and america has been a long supporter of.
The whole world was at war for most of history. Also, among others:
Ptolemaic rule brought stability and economic prosperity to the region.[120][121]
The Byzantine era was a time of great prosperity and cultural flourishing in Palestine.[181]
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You sure got him…
So they’re admitting that Trump, a private citizen, interfered with US foreign policy, which is yet another crime.
Just like when Nixon sabotaged the Paris peace talks, or when Reagan betrayed the American hostages in Iran.
Does it count as ending the genocide if he helps Israel kill all the remaining Palestinians so there are none left to genocide? 🤔
Well, it ended, didn’t it?
This fits the bill with the actual bad faith arguments that tankies make constantly.
…are we counting “no Palestinians left” as the end of the genocide? 😬
Sometimes you’re happy to be proven wrong
I’ll be honest, I thought it would get worse and not better. I would love to be wrong.
Either way the meltdown will be funny so I’m here for it.
Oh it’s still quite likely that one side or the other will break the ceasefire and then it’ll get worse
One can hope.
Other than hoping, I am donating a few bucks to the most pro-Palestinian politicians.
I have been looking for protests but they are hard to learn about.
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Wow. Just universally equating all Arabs to one another. So, to you, there’s no difference whatsoever between individual Arabs, they all believe and act exactly the same, all over the world? Doesn’t matter who specifically did the things you’re claiming, they’re all guilty?
Quite possibly the most blatantly racist comment I’ve seen to date on Lemmy. And you have the audacity to call out others here.
I hope you do some serious introspection before speaking on this topic again.
This guy is pretty fucking racist in general. Clearly he doesn’t understand that the actions of countries doesn’t represent the actions of people. He said this about Russians too. (I support Ukraine but it’s not okay to hate Russians despite their government) with his “logic” none of us are free from sin, yet he’ll complain if you treat him as such.
How he is not banned off this platform, I have no idea.
You sound like the kind of guy who wipes back-to-front.
Saying this hurts your argument dude like what kinda freak says that shit?
I’m honestly confused. What on Earth does the way you wipe your ass imply? And how do you know that?
I think it comes from the fact that if you have a vagina and the accompanying microscopic perineum then you should not wipe back to front, as that could potentially move bacteria from fecal matter towards the vulva, where it could get into the urethra and cause a UTI or any number of places and cause all sorts of undesirable issues, and thus doing it is “stupid” as in a bad idea. From that it became a more general way of saying someone is “stupid” like “you sound like you ate play-doh/glue/whatevs as a kid”. Got picked up on some twitter-adjacent parts of the internet and now it’s slang.
If you have a vagina, back to front is a one way ticket to UTItown.
It’s just a terminally online way of calling someone stupid. Don’t think too hard about it.
Your hasbara saves me from having to check the modlog for why you’re banned from .ml for a year.
shame on you.
No U
Sadly there are too much Anti-western actors interested in it being perceived as genocide, no matter what’s happening on the ground. With billions of Qatari/IRGC/Putin/CCP money it can be easy to spread a narrative, especially against the only state that is Jewish
And kudos for combating “the poplar” narrative, I used to argue quite a lot about politics a year ago back on kbin, but after a bunch of the same discussions and buzzwords lost motivation to do it
And then there is the rest of the Fediverse thinking this squabble between. World and. Ml is fucking retarded
The only reason it’s stupid is because the answer is obvious launch the .ml instance into the sun.
*stupid, please avoid ableism when you can.
Every single word which has been used to refer to a mentally disabled person will, eventually, become a slur.
“Idiot” and “moron” used to be technical medical terms. There actually used to be a whole spectrum, with “idiot” being a pretty profound level of disability, meaning that someone’s mental age was around two years old or younger.
“Retarded” was a new invention, to introduce a new term which didn’t overlap with the slurs for a non-disabled person who was being stupid. Eventually, it came to be used as a slur, at which point we couldn’t used it for actually disabled people anymore. This cycle will repeat, I think, without end.
Probably the best thing to do is use terms which are too cumbersome to easily become slurs. “Mentally disabled” is one.
I just had a comment removed for using the M-word. I replaced it with stupid, hopefully that passes the purity test. It occurred to me that dumb could easily be construed as offensive to those who are unable to speak, much more justifiably than the R-word, in my opinion.
Mentally disabled is already quite unacceptable according to some, the current cutting edge of political correctness is probably persons of/with intellectual disability. Which will probably last a couple years before we need to come up with something else.
It’s eerily reminiscent of Orwellian themes of doublespeak and Newspeak. Limiting the functionality of language in order to prevent the expression of undesirable or socially disruptive thoughts.
All of this is also massively complicated by the fact that languages other than English exist. This rapid lexical treadmill that we are currently on is quite certainly discriminatory towards non-native English speakers, because they will inevitably inadvertently use outdated terminology and be judged for it, while those who are privileged enough to be close to the sources of political correctness such as they exist will have an inherent social advantage due to that.
We live in an extremely highly regarded society, congrats all around 👏
Yeah, agreed. I mean… I’m fine with no longer using the R-word to refer to people who are being stupid. I think it’s silly, but I also am not trying to offend anyone unnecessarily. I don’t want to be the grandpa who says “colored” and can’t understand why everyone tells me I’m not allowed to say that. I’m just pointing out that the cycle of words being okay and then slowly turning into bad words you can’t say anymore, maybe implies that it’s not worth the huge amount of emphasis we put on making sure we’re using the right words and not the wrong words, sometimes.
Sorry but I dont sugar coat the word to holdback progress, development or accomplishment.
Total humbug it is censoring ones self.
But thank you for your input
Nah that sounds retarded
No, messing around on lemmy while your anus is bleeding is retarded, GO SEE A DOCTOR!
Real talk, how is stupid any less ableist than retard? Same meaning, same origin. It’s like telling people to stop calling black people n-words, call them coons instead. Pretty silly imo!
Stupid is the lower end of normal intelligence variation, retarded implies a developmental or other condition outside of the normal variation.
Stupid doesn’t refer to a disability, retarded does. That’s how stupid is less ableist.
I don’t know if I completely agree with the R-word being now not acceptable as much as the N-word.
But I believe the reason behind it is ‘stupid’ is and always has been general term for anyone and always has been.
‘Retard’ was actually used as a medical term for a class of people that had cognitive issues outside of their control. And while a good majority of people have re-used the word to general mean ‘stupid’ over the years with no intention to imply said person you are saying that to actually has ‘cognitive issues’ outside of their control.
I believe that’s why its derogatory now, but yeah… language is always changing.
Stop implying the word and say it, because of your inability to say said word means I now say it in my head because you use a silly other word to call the word what it is now placing the burden on me because you are a coward to say a word. Go to Australia and yell cunt, ya wont even get a reaction but I bet you will say something about me saying cunt because you are one.
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