‘Straight-up BS’: Democratic chair attacks Bernie Sanders’ election critique
www.theguardian.com
Sanders’ analysis that Democrats lost because they failed working-class voters scorned by party chair Jaime Harrison
  • AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
    25·
    4 days ago

    This is the second time this has happened. Democrats in the 50s-60s realized they could get votes in the North by not being racist, while Republicans at the same time realized they could get votes in the South by being racist. It just really shows that neither side really cares all that much, it’s mostly a show for political gain.

    • HRDS_654@lemmy.worldEnglish
      46·
      5 days ago

      Spoiler alert, it won’t. They were already alienating their base by playing the “both sides” card.

      • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
        35·
        5 days ago

        Nope. That will definitely not work, like at all. The Democrats can’t simply debate bro their way out of this.

        Obama did this very thing and basically destroyed him and gave him an origin story

        Maybe Obama destroyed Trump for you, but not for the voters who voted for Trump, or else they wouldn’t have voted for him.

        If fact, the Democratic party is a joke to many petit bourgeois. And also for many working class people, because it abandoned them about 40 years ago in favor of neoliberalism, and has only further abandoned them since[1].

          • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
            251·
            5 days ago

            This sounds like Clinton and her deplorables. You know what that line of reasoning wrought last time? Trump’s first term. You are repeating the Dems’ mistakes and expecting different results.

            This kind of thinking sounds like The West Wing, which I maintain has been the most corrosive media in a generation. It simultaneously made people very dumb and very smugly sure that they’re smart and right and morally correct. A deprogramming podcast: The West Wing Thing

              • krashmo@lemmy.world
                2·
                5 days ago

                It really sucks that you’re right but this is a big part of the reality of modern elections. What people don’t seem to get about what you’re saying is that this strategy is not intended to make Republicans vote for Democrats, it’s intended to make them stay home. Their perception of Trump is that he’s a strongman. It doesn’t matter that such a description is hilariously off base. It matters that they believe it. Stand up there and call him a pussy with small hands who can’t swing a golf club to save his life and watch him throw a toddler fit while the country looks on. This has the added benefit of giving idiotic “undecideds” the soundbites they clearly want which just might convince some of them to vote for you.

                Is it stupid? Absolutely. Would it work? I honestly think it would.

              • z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml
                23·
                5 days ago

                get up there and have more charisma than him and make him the butt of so many jokes that everyone is straight up laughing at him.

                That and be more of an outright Nazi than him. You forget that it’s not just about charisma, it’s about creating a white christian ethnostate. If you can out-Trump Trump, which inherently means amplifying Fascist rhetoric in a folksy charm, but also providing an entertainingly scathing critique of everything not white and rich, then yeah, you’ll win. But otherwise the right will always vote for the biggest Nazi in the room.

                Failure to recognize this is a failure to recognize how the right thinks. Fascism isn’t the outlier in the American right, it is the norm. They just don’t like calling it Fascism, they prefer traditional christian values.

                • _bcron_@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  21·
                  4 days ago

                  Obama would win against Trump so drop the ‘outnazi the nazi’ shit right now.

      • Cruxifux@feddit.nl
        241·
        5 days ago

        Dude you can’t just appeal to trump voters and hope to win. It hasn’t worked, it can’t work, it won’t work. You have to appeal to progressives and people who do not want money in politics. And I don’t believe the democrats will ever be willing to do that.

    • slingstone@lemmy.world
      13·
      4 days ago

      To be fair, in South Carolina, Jesus could run as a Democrat and somehow lose to Lindsey Graham with likely voters.

  • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
    492·
    4 days ago

    Marx and Lenin continue to be vindicated by the passage of time.

    No, the Democrats will not shift left. Their donors would rather they lose to republicans than win on a more progressive platform, and as such will not shift left.

    No, we cannot “elect good democrats” to shift the party to the left. The DNC is an organization that has perfected itself as an anti-radical filter. Those who can fundraise well are elevated to the top, those who speak up against injustice are shunned and whipped.

    We must actively organize outside the DNC and pressure the system. I keep an intro to Marxism-Leninism list I can link if anyone wants it, let me know.

      • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
        101·
        4 days ago

        Here it is, Cowbee’s “Read Theory, Darn It!” beginner reading list. All except one work has an audiobook alternative linked, otherwise there are text links directly to said works. It starts off with foundations, then builds on said foundations, ending with some practical advice on how to conduct yourself as a Leftist in general. I also include intersectional theory regarding trans and enby liberation, gay rights and history, and decolonialism.

        Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions!

        • Shark_Ra_Thanos@lemmy.mlEnglish
          41·
          4 days ago

          That’s awesome. Thank you. I will need that audio. I have head injury from a bike/car accident a few years ago. I can’t read any more than two pages before my memory drops everything i just read about %50 of the time. That’s how i “read” Gary Webb’s biography not long ago!

  • M0oP0o@mander.xyz
    18·
    4 days ago

    Sounds like something a loser would say.

    You know what could prove him wrong? Maybe electing a president? Or winning the house? Or the Senate?

    Oh, I mean surely if what he is saying is such bullshit you guys got at least 2/3 of these right?

  • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
    78·
    5 days ago

    Harrison has reportedly chosen not to seek to stay on as DNC chair but his dismissal of Sanders’s statement provoked anger of its own, including from the reporter and columnist Glenn Greenwald. “You and the corporatist and militarist party you lead just got your ass kicked all up and down the US, because Americans see that you only care about enriching yourselves at the corporate lobbying trough,” Greenwald wrote. “If the humiliation you just suffered doesn’t usher in some humility and self-reflection, nothing will.”

    -rarely do I read an article and genuinely think “man, that guy got slammed.” as the rhetoric typically suggests, but wholly hell did Harrison get slammed.

  • PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
    84·
    5 days ago

    Fucking piece of shit.

    He later served as a lobbyist for the Podesta Group.[4][11] His clients at the Podesta Group included banks, such as Bank of America and Wells Fargo, Berkshire Hathaway,[12] pharmaceutical companies,[13] casinos, the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity, and Walmart,[14] among others.[15] In addition to lobbying work at Podesta Group, he has also lobbied on behalf of United Way Worldwide and the Association of Public and Land-grant Universities.[6]

    • superkret@feddit.org
      7·
      4 days ago

      the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity

      I bet they’re allied with the American Association of Promoting Women’s Rights and Rape.

    • M0oP0o@mander.xyz
      7·
      4 days ago

      Dang it the onion! You gotta stop with the news and get back to over the top satire. You are fooling people into hope again.

  • dephyre@lemmy.worldEnglish
    531·
    5 days ago

    No way, Democrats have to pivot more to the right, surely that help, right? …right?

      • SoJB@lemmy.mlEnglish
        273·
        5 days ago

        Liberals are losing their minds blaming everyone except their dogshit policies and strategies.

        You know what, yeah I did cause the Dems to lose. And you know what, I’ll fuckin do it again in the midterms if they don’t move left.

        • ...m...@ttrpg.network
          7·
          4 days ago

          …i held my nose and voted democrat in the face of imminent fascism, and i’ll never forgive the fascists for forcing my hand…

          …that hard choice wasn’t enough, though, and i don’t blame you for that…

  • wuphysics87@lemmy.ml
    15·
    4 days ago

    Are you sure they are committed to losing and not committed to trying to win by adopting republican tactics?

  • Asafum@feddit.nl
    511·
    5 days ago

    “We have the perfect candidate lined up for 2028! We’ve recruited Dr.Frankenstein and in a world first we’ve resurrected both Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, stitched them together, and they will be the new face of the Democratic party! Vote for us or you’re racist and just want Donald Trump to win!”

    • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.mlEnglish
      14·
      5 days ago

      I have terrible news, Margaronald’s tenure in hell made them unelectable among Christians. We’re gonna gave to go with plan B and get George Bush and somehow make him more racist

      • ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml
        5·
        3 days ago

        The date is January 20, 2030. President Rafael Theodore “Ted” Cruz, Canadian Zodiac Killer suspect, enters the Whitehouse for the first time as Commander-in-Chief. He giggles stupidly through his nose as he steps into the Oval Office, patchy beard catching his spittle. His prodigious belly jiggles beneath a too-tight dress shirt and suit jacket as he walks. The seams of his pants strain with effort.

        “Oh boy, are we going to do great things in here,” Ted says to no one in particular. His arms outstreched, he completes a full spin before plunging his face into Trump’s chair and inhaling deeply. The prior administration’s aides left it here for him, specifically as he requested. He savors the musky, faintly fecal aroma, his crooked member growing turgid, almost long enough to press against the inside of his trousers - but not quite. Teddy shivers at the sensation.

        “EVERYONE OUT!” his voice cracking as he authoritatively commands his aides to leave the room. He can’t take the arousal anymore. They stare at him open-mouthed, but they comply. They’ll always comply now. Ted smiles smugly, assured of his stately presence and presidential demeanor. Kneeling before the well-worn leather chair, Cruz meticulously unbuttons all but the top button of his shirt and tosses his jacket aside. Arms shaking, he drags the shirttails erotically over Vienna sausage nipples. Giggling, he says to himself, “Wouldn’t want to get you messy,” before throwing the shirttails over his shoulders. He feels majestic. Like Count Chocula from the cereal boxes mommy would never buy him. But now mommy is so proud of him and he can buy all the Count Choccy he wants. And oh, does he want.

        Ted whips out his phone but fumbles it. Wormlike, he inches across the floor to retrieve it. Retaking his position before the chair, he sniffs again. “Please look into the camera, no face detected,” his phone reads. He looks, poutingly at the camera. He tries smiling. He tries frowning. But still, the phone will not recognize his very normal human face. A face mommy even called handsome once. He begrudgingly enters his password. He holds up his Whitehouse ID to log into PornHub and navigates to the incest section by muscle memory. “Hot Latina MILF Makes Teen Boy a Man” catches his fancy. “Teddy’s been a good boy, mami,” he whines in a feigned Cuban accent. His hands are cold and sweaty with excitement. As he pushes play, his fat finger slips and the share menu pops up.

        “Oh no Teddy you’ve done it again, don’t post it to Twitter like the last time - and on 9/11 too, you were so naughty,” he shivers with an erotic sense of shame. “Oh, X, I’m sorry Elon,” he says, looking over his shoulder. “No, it’s okay, keep going,” says Vice President Musk before crawling into an armoire, beady eyes glinting through the cracked door.

        Teddy’s finger hovers over the X on the share menu, trembling. He catches a faint whiff from the chair and spontaneously orgasms. The muscles of his hand sieze up. “Oh Teddy look what you’ve done…”

      • Asafum@feddit.nl
        3·
        4 days ago

        Trump Forever. We will know nothing but Trump.

        Jokes aside he did mention years ago that he was due a third term because the Democrats were unfair to him so baby wants a do-over

        • averyminya@beehaw.org
          2·
          4 days ago

          And more recently than that he told Christians that if they vote for him they’ll never need to vote again