• BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca
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    1 day ago

    The blame needs to lie with the aggressors, which in this case is Iran. People see Palestinians dying and assume that Israel is just beating them up because they’re bullies, when it’s Iran that’s doing the bullying via terrorist groups and Israel is just fighting back.

    Diplomacy won’t solve the issue, because Iran doesn’t want a diplomatic solution and is happy to keep handing out guns and rockets to disillusioned young men just to weaken Israel for as long as they want.

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      So do you think Israel should go to war with Iran? Or are you happy with innocent Palestinians and Lebanese paying the price instead?

      But I will say, when Israel does something, the blame lies with Israel. The blood of the dead is on Israel’s hands and it will never wash off.

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        3 hours ago

        I think Iran should stop funding terrorists.

        If you want to get into who has who’s blood on their hands, you’ve got a very large history book to read. I don’t think there is a single non-island country (and even some of those have it) that doesn’t have a history steeped in humans killing other humans over the land.

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          I think Iran should stop funding terrorists.

          They won’t. So yet again, do you think Israel should go to war with Iran? Why waste time fighting proxies?

    • The blame needs to lie with the aggressors, which in this case is Iran.

      This is a matter of perspective. If you were to ask Iran, they’d argue they’re supporting Palestinian freedom fighters who Israel aggressively removed from their homeland in 1948, and has been treating with aggression ever since. Back then, there were zionist groups that were labelled as terrorists. Iran has no strategic reason to oppose Israel, they have ideological and historical reasons to do so. Stopping the train of thought at “they want to weaken Israel” is not good enough, you need to grab a history book and ask yourself why they want to weaken specifically Israel so much.

      For us, it might seem that there is a conflict that started on october 7th. To them, the conflict never stopped since 48.

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        3 hours ago

        Yes, but “aggressively removed from their homeland in 1948” also means “was voted on and approved by the UN as a direct result of what happened to the Jewish people in the world wars, and the collapse of the Ottoman empire for supporting the axis in WW1.”

        Their country tried to win a war, and failed. Why shouldn’t there be consequences for that, like getting broken up and given in pieces to various more friendly groups.

        Germany lost territory after the world wars too, but you don’t see them shooting rockets at their neighbors to get it back.