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The G.O.P. abandoned a bipartisan border security bill that also aided Ukraine after Democrats called their bluff on immigration, agreeing to tough measures Republicans demanded.
But Democrats tripped them up by offering substantial — almost unheard-of — concessions on immigration policy without insisting on much in return. Now it is Republicans who are rapidly abandoning a compromise that gave them much of what they wanted, leaving aid to Ukraine in deep jeopardy, border policy in turmoil and Congress again flailing as multiple crises at home and abroad go without attention because of a legislative stalemate.
Wait, dems don’t ask for anything when conceding to right-wing bullshit? Wait, repubs don’t actually want the things they say they want? Repubs don’t actually want to govern?
Call me surprised.
I don’t really give a shit about the media portraying this as a gotcha by Democrats.
Them offering those concessions was fucking stupid in the first place, and they gained basically nothing while risking and incredible amount.
No because if dig vomit articles like this,they’ll be convinced it’s galaxy brain move to do it again. A truly feckless party.
What exactly are they risking? What do you object to about the concessions? Looking at what was proposed it seems to be a quota on illegal immigration that triggers an emergency if the number is exceeded, and minor procedural changes intended to make the process more efficient.
They’ve effectively ceded the entire narrative around the boarder to Trump and accepted that there is a ‘crisis’.
The risk they took was that this would actually have gotten passed, which would be stupendously horrible and almost certainty would have cost them the election.
They got a shitty paper victory (which wont mean shit in 3 weeks), gave up any kind of distinction on the boarder, effectively accepting that Donald Trump is ‘right’ about border policy and they were ‘wrong’, risked the passage of an incredibly stupid and draconian border bill, and have generally shown that they are weaker than they were even considered to be.
This entire community seriously needs to stop cheer leading Democrats and develop some critical thinking skills. This a ‘victory’ like removing single payer was a ‘victory’ under the Obamacare negotiations. Supposedly, it was going to get them Republican votes (spoiler: it didn’t).
This whole thing is actually a huge loss for the Democrats, because they’ve effectively given Trump a W in terms of the entire framing of the border issue. It will come back to bite them, book mark this comment, and we can come back to it when it does. Effectively, Democrats have handed leadership on border policy to the Republicans. Democrats need to do so much better than they have been and dumb ass shit like this is not how they need to be doing better.
Broadly, if the NY Times is calling something a victory, you should seriously consider it with greater scrutiny.
The problem is that right now the Democrats are all that the US has. These decisions need to be made right now and the Democrats are the only ones who physically have the ability to get them made in vaguely sane ways.
So maybe you don’t like them, maybe you think they’re crap, maybe you think they’re doing a poor job. But that’s still the best you’re going to get right now, which is all that really matters for some very important things going on. And so we cheer them on.
It’d be great if next chance the Americans get they swap them out for people who are better, but that chance isn’t coming along for a little while yet. And they’re stuck with a pretty shitty electorate, too, so that needs to be taken into account.
Recognizing how shitty they are is A PART OF recognizing where we are.
We are stuck in a burning forest. Republicans are the arsonists who started it, and the Democrats are a half-fouled moped that we must use to get out.
Though we MUST recognize that we’ve been given a half-fouled moped and not a Land Cruiser…
Republicans want to unload a tanker truck of gasoline on the fire, while Democrats are negotiating to only pour a couple of gallons on the fire, as opposed to arguing in favor of water.
Democrats are not a part of the problem, the are the problem in the same way Republicans are.
Pretending this was some kind of Democratic victory is self-delusion at its finest and the Lemmy community needs to do better.
There are long term electoral and policy consequences for these kinds of faux victories. We just watched the ratchet effect happen in real time. Republican border policy is now Democrat border policy.
If the end result is stagnation there are less risky approaches. My biggest concern here is that Democrats will see this as a victory, and next time they are feeling their oats, they’ll try it again and get their hand slammed in the rat trap, and some insane piece of legislation will be one step closer to becoming law.
It was a stupid fucking plan and they got lucky. To your point, the Dems are all we have. They shouldn’t be taking these kinds of low reward, high risk plays.
You are correct, but the dipshits in the comments have the exact same attitude as Democrats… They think getting punched in the gut instead of the face is a win when not getting punched at all is ABSOLUTELY an option for someone who actually has balls…
The bill might not have passed, but it has successfully moved the Democrats to the right. “Meet us in the middle!” cries the Republican, and the Democrat steps forward, and the Republican back… “Meet me in the middle!” Every. Time. Fucking dumb Democrats.
Democrats are the party of boiling frogs.