This is why I’m not all that concerned in the recent polls that Biden is losing support among Progressives, who tend to be sympathetic to the Palestinians. What are they going to do, vote for Trump and his friends, who are even worse? If Trump does win, do they really think they would be listened to?
I doubt a single person in Florida who thinks that Biden and the party he leads is not taking their side on this issue would vote for this person instead.
What are they going to do, vote for Trump and his friends, who are even worse?
What they might do is sit out the election or make a third party protest vote. I am no lover of Biden, but if he’s the only viable choice other than Trump, we need him in the office and I’m worried not enough people will realize that.
It’s the same issue Hillary had. Lots of liberals were so fucking tired of the system. They wanted something new. And Hillary was a direct personification of the system; A career politician who had paid her party dues for decades, and felt like the seat had been promised to her. There were a lot of liberals who casted protest votes.
I’ll admit I did that. I voted for Bernie in the Primary and then didn’t vote in the General. Although I lived in Oklahoma where Trump beat Clinton by 529k votes and hasn’t been blue in the last 50 years…
I’d like to think I would have voted for Clinton if my vote counted for anything. If we got rid of the electoral college then I feel like the voting percentage would go up across the country as Republicans in California and Democrats in Alabama would suddenly have a reason to actually vote. I live in Alabama now and it is a STUGGLE to get any of my friends to take the time to go vote.
Yea I’m sorry I was one of them and therefore helped trump get in. I wanted Bernie, still want Bernie, voted Bernie in protest in ‘16 but did my part voting Biden in ‘20. But until trump is dead and republicans are unable to field someone as rallying to their base, I’m forced to vote democrat to prevent fascism overtaking my nation.
Their rhetoric is certainly more openly genocidal, but Biden has done little to nothing to stop this either. He seems to fully support funding genocide.
He uses language that is better, but his actions show no restraint in helping Israel 100%.
In a rare Oval Office speech, the president said, “We reject all forms of hate,” against Muslims, Jews and everyone, as he set the stage for a planned request to Congress for $14 billion in emergency assistance for Israel
This is what leftists are talking about when we say they’re not that different. One party has better language sometimes but in reality little ever changes. Both ultimately serve the interests of the rich and the interests of the rich lie in imperialism and exploitation. The existence of Israel in that region benefits them.
But thats really the only line he could take. People talk about the benefits of incumbency when running for office, but incumbency also has a drawback that you need to find solutions to problems, in real-time, with whatever situation is currently going on. His opponents have the luxury of not having to be the one to deal with this problem, right now.
And the fact of the matter is, no matter how heavy handed Israel is being right now, Hamas is showing no signs of letting up. And, no matter what you think about Israel’s treatment of Gaza all this time, no one can make an argument that Hamas didn’t strike first in this most recent action. If Biden let up on Hamas the way his detractors want, all it does is embolden those who want to use violence to further their extreme politics. (Including the home-grown ones in the US).
no matter what you think about Israel’s treatment of Gaza all this time, no one can make an argument that Hamas didn’t strike first in this most recent action.
What a pointless, ahistorical line of thought.
Yeah sure if you just ignore everything else and start from that day, they kind of look like the aggressor.
But even then that’s not true. “Israel was just peacefully minding its own business, illegally occupying the land they stole when the people they stole it from attacked outta nowhere”. Occupation is aggression.
But that’s entirely my point. These people who are complaining that Biden isn’t taking their side are at risk having an administration who considers them all to be terrorists to take over if they sit this one out. I suppose they can take solace in the fact that they stuck to their principles, even if the Trump Administration sends them all to re-education camps.
This is why I’m not all that concerned in the recent polls that Biden is losing support among Progressives, who tend to be sympathetic to the Palestinians. What are they going to do, vote for Trump and his friends, who are even worse? If Trump does win, do they really think they would be listened to?
I doubt a single person in Florida who thinks that Biden and the party he leads is not taking their side on this issue would vote for this person instead.
What they might do is sit out the election or make a third party protest vote. I am no lover of Biden, but if he’s the only viable choice other than Trump, we need him in the office and I’m worried not enough people will realize that.
It’s the same issue Hillary had. Lots of liberals were so fucking tired of the system. They wanted something new. And Hillary was a direct personification of the system; A career politician who had paid her party dues for decades, and felt like the seat had been promised to her. There were a lot of liberals who casted protest votes.
I’ll admit I did that. I voted for Bernie in the Primary and then didn’t vote in the General. Although I lived in Oklahoma where Trump beat Clinton by 529k votes and hasn’t been blue in the last 50 years…
I’d like to think I would have voted for Clinton if my vote counted for anything. If we got rid of the electoral college then I feel like the voting percentage would go up across the country as Republicans in California and Democrats in Alabama would suddenly have a reason to actually vote. I live in Alabama now and it is a STUGGLE to get any of my friends to take the time to go vote.
Yea I’m sorry I was one of them and therefore helped trump get in. I wanted Bernie, still want Bernie, voted Bernie in protest in ‘16 but did my part voting Biden in ‘20. But until trump is dead and republicans are unable to field someone as rallying to their base, I’m forced to vote democrat to prevent fascism overtaking my nation.
I hope the ones who did have learned their lesson. When the greater of two evils gets in power, greater evil is done.
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Their rhetoric is certainly more openly genocidal, but Biden has done little to nothing to stop this either. He seems to fully support funding genocide.
He uses language that is better, but his actions show no restraint in helping Israel 100%.
And just 2 days ago:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/11/09/remarks-by-president-biden-before-marine-one-departure-39/
This is what leftists are talking about when we say they’re not that different. One party has better language sometimes but in reality little ever changes. Both ultimately serve the interests of the rich and the interests of the rich lie in imperialism and exploitation. The existence of Israel in that region benefits them.
But thats really the only line he could take. People talk about the benefits of incumbency when running for office, but incumbency also has a drawback that you need to find solutions to problems, in real-time, with whatever situation is currently going on. His opponents have the luxury of not having to be the one to deal with this problem, right now.
And the fact of the matter is, no matter how heavy handed Israel is being right now, Hamas is showing no signs of letting up. And, no matter what you think about Israel’s treatment of Gaza all this time, no one can make an argument that Hamas didn’t strike first in this most recent action. If Biden let up on Hamas the way his detractors want, all it does is embolden those who want to use violence to further their extreme politics. (Including the home-grown ones in the US).
What a pointless, ahistorical line of thought.
Yeah sure if you just ignore everything else and start from that day, they kind of look like the aggressor.
But even then that’s not true. “Israel was just peacefully minding its own business, illegally occupying the land they stole when the people they stole it from attacked outta nowhere”. Occupation is aggression.
Could just stay home. Maybe a bunch of us are tired of voting for people whose only qualifications is they aren’t the other person.
But that’s entirely my point. These people who are complaining that Biden isn’t taking their side are at risk having an administration who considers them all to be terrorists to take over if they sit this one out. I suppose they can take solace in the fact that they stuck to their principles, even if the Trump Administration sends them all to re-education camps.
Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good.