I will stop argue with you. You asked the shows we engaged with, while considering it bad. Rather than yucking your yum, the better approach might be to say why I actually engaged with it, while considering it bad: -the premise is great

• the cinematography is great. The slow panning shot are great
• there is some humor. My favorite scene, is probably the drone lifting the trash bag. And being a running background gag. I might probably watch it again for season 2… hoping it will move somewhere eventually

Interesting question. you want me to write a better show. Unfortunately I feel I’m not gifted enough to do so, plus this is not my job. So if it make you feel better: I would never be able to write Pluribus. But I can still recognize when it is shitty. This is called taste. We can have different one, and that’s okay. I just argue the glaring problem for my taste.

BUT, that being said, If i could change one thing I will never do the 3 episode of Carol flipfloping. Another example of nothing happen: The hive go away (omg!). Then Carol like them(omg!)… then guess what? we’re at square one!!! She hate them again (it is not an arc, it is a circle), but now she has a A-bomb…omg! whaaouh In the meantime, we had to endure an asshole prick carol having some good time… the same way the french had some good time. And we should root against the french, but not against carol?? They are doing the exact SAME thing. Bad writing. We got 3 ep more… but the cost, was having the main displaying a lack of willpower. Yeah she’s back! But no: I cant trust her again. She’s a flipflopper

I think that’s a rule of storytelling. you can trick the audience, but you can no break their trust. We trusted carol to be a bitch to the hive, and 3 ep broke that trust. So yeah she’s back… but…I dont care that much

I think this show could be done in one season, if the writer wanted. And be great. But just for money, he made it a 5 season show. If I recall the dude is super well-known for previous work, so I guess they let him do whatever. And he indulged into pointless narration

|Why is a “no compromise” stance to the point of being unable to do anything or learn anything an inherently redeeming quality

If you remove his non-compromise scenes: you have less than 1 min of him in the show. The whole point of this character is that. Without it , he do NOT exist.

That trait is something that we dont do/see in everyday life. As a viewer it is admirable. This justify how inefficient, and inutile that dude is. He is a total badass in his stubbornness. This is his ONLY character trait. when it is gone, what is left? A dummy who in 6 episode managed to hear noise at the radio… 6 fricking episode!

|She flipped, then flipped back. That’s the point: nobody like flipfloper

at this point the french dude with prostitute, seems more likeable… plus at least he got some interesting info about the hive (stem cell). So when your obviously “evil” character is more effective (knew about human eating) , when he is more efficient than your main… it is bad writing.

|What event was “canceled” by the beginning of the next one? Every event at the end of episode promise a big reveal, is super exciting… and the mountain birth a mole.

1- Grenade explode - > panic -> 5 min later nothing change … one character is in hospital… big deal. 2- Carol drug the hive (great, pro actif, original) -> panic -> nothing change … Ok the Hive go away : this is a non event… removing a character is bad to advance the plot. 3- Carol learn about eating human (great, pro actif, original) -> panic -> she talk to the french -> nothing change 4- nobody do nothing of interest for 2 episode (carol play golf, the spanish dude stupidly go on a suicide journey) -> they meet -> nothing change 5- Carol get in relation with the Hive -> no panic -> nothing change

there is more happening in 1 episode of Stranger Things… they discover a secret, plan something, put their plan in place, contact the person, resolve personal issue, kill something… etc I’m not obsessed with always action… but in Pluribus NOTHING of importance ever happen. Nothing is learn! Nothing is put in place! No plan! No nothing.

Let me bet something: the A bomb (whouaahhh, omg! exciting! ), will absolutely be of no point in next episode. … that the whole emo of this show: exciting stuff -> 0 impact. Like with the grenade, the drug, the human eating… it will be vaguely discussed in a 5 min dialogue, and nothing will change.

The show is wasting time. Which could be kind of okay, if the character were cool to hangout with… So if you enjoy watching asshole flipfloper , or stubborn dummy, you can get some good television. This is not my case, and I would argue that the case of most people watching tv-show, or any medium.

Yeah, it seems I cant change the image, or post an image in comment in this community anymore. I get the same error message every time I try to edit the post. No clue what is happening. It is still showing on my side on various (unloged) browser.

2. they can. But when a show spend 8 ep about how stubborn a protagonist he his , to the point of be ready to die for his principle. Having him abandon all that in 5 min, is just bad writing. Of course he is still against the Hive.

But his “personality” was not being against the Hive (that’s Carol trait). His personality was shown to be a stubborn (flawed character= great) asshole (even with carol). And suddenly he become the Hive experimentation dude, talking with them. Why didnt he do it earlier? Yes… because he was stupid!! (We knew from the beginning he was, by comparing to carol).

The show make a root for a stupid asshole dude. Which now has lost his only redeeming quality (his no compromise stance to the point of dying) Like it make us root for an asshole Carol (flawed character= great) because she was against the hive. And when she flip, we realize we just rooted for an asshole with now lost her redeeming quality. BAD writing.

But that not even the worst part of the show… there are still some fun in those character. But the show is just boring: 1 event by episode, which is totally canceled at the beginning of the next one.

I mean, I didnt like Stanger things either, but watching them side by side is painful… Stranger things had multiple stuff happening that actually impact the episode, and the serie. They were often dumb things , and over the top and super cringe with bad acting, but at least something happened.

I didnt register as tragic to me. (the same way the 2 ep of Carol playing golf and ending with caving in to the Hivemind was not tragic, nor growth)
The no compromise stance made the character dumb (when we see Carol making progress without it) But as a viewer you still root for the character because he is so un-moving in his belief. When he abandon all of it in the span in 5 min, it is not tragic. You realize he was dumb all along, which make the viewer feeling bad for having rooted for such a dumb dude. Especially one that now is perceived has lacking principle.

“There is a black ichor in center of earth, made from the dying flesh from old beast. When using it you can reach ultimate power, but by using it you slowly doom the world”

I suppose. But what can you expect from pencilsloper

This is an insult, now what is your argument

he went from not addressing the HiveMind, to the point of dying, and finish by talking and demanding stuff to them out of the blue.

Either, he was a man of principle, and should stand by them no matter what. When he reconsidered his principle super fast, then he make it clear he was very dumb at the beginning with his non compromise stance.

by watching RLM video about the show, I already knew the premise. Plus I like to start in the middle, when things are ramping up, instead of the beginning, where they have to put everything in place… If I like it I might watch the previous episode, for this one I didnt care.

The show is only good for the Empire plot. I mean… rebellion poison-cloning Dawn and getting close to him to get him on their side, and then Day figuring it out, and ruthlessly squashing all of it! Totally new, and very well crafted, with great character. I suspect Day actor chop is holding the show on his shoulder. In last season, when they dude-fied him, I was thinking it was over… and then he make it work somehow.

The foundation side is indeed very bad character, and serviceable plot.

Pluribus.

I binge watched it starting on Ep3, because Red Letter Media was gushing about it.

It is not slow, it is boring. Nothing happen in an Episode, except one tiny event at the end so you can get excited for next episode… but then nothing happen again. The main character is unlikable. She was funny in her “bitchy” ways, until she decided to not do anything anymore about the virus for a while.

The Spanish dude was cool in his no-compromise approach, then do a 180 at the end for no reason.

So they start with cool characters and undermine them by changing their motto operandi for no reason, except dragging the serie for 1 more episode.

The only way the whole virus premice would make sense, is if it is an alien ploy to invade the earth. But then it will become a totally different show. I’m only still invested because i want to know the explanation for the virus. And if there is no explanation for such a weird virus, it is a waste of time

that’s a small price that Europeans are willing to pay

what can you read on the white house image ?

rich old lady as provider

Good point: we are actually that child, coerced into letting those rich guys dumbness, greed and egomania destroy our world and everything on it

So they no more use probability to choose next word? I wonder how they do it now

she dont care she has a license in Piracy (Fencing, sailing …)

the correct term is Stochastic Parrot… that is what LLM do. It sound even more cool that AI imho