Don’t worry everyone, I’m sure someone somewhere is worse and that makes this okay somehow.

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    If there were so many examples of this in the real world, then you wouldn’t need to photoshop one.

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      The French Revolution was well documented and people still enjoy A Tale of Two Cities

      Are you saying we don’t need any fiction - novels, tv, movies, jokes, comics, memes… because there exists non-fiction versions?

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        I think you and the others trying to pass off the same idea don’t seem to understand the problem here. It’s not that you can’t have satire, or fiction that acts as a social commentary. It’s that all of the examples you are mentioning aren’t trying to pass themselves off as reality . Nobody reads A Tale of Two Cities and thinks that it is literal. Or A Modest Proposal. This here is trying to pass itself off as real and as soon as it gets called out for it, the choir shows up to say “Oh, so we can’t have satire anymore”.

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          I genuinely don’t think anyone thinks these are trans-inclusive homeless spikes.

          At best they got painted bright colors for visibility and they accidentally used the trans flag

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            at arguably more best, someone decided to vandalize them as an act of political commentary.

            “It’s often said that the most potent form of rhetoric is the contradictory form” - i just made that up :)

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      Again, it’s an illustration of the hypocrisy. It doesn’t need to literally exist as a physical object in order to make the point.

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        It’s a fabrication of a hypocrisy. If the hypocrisy is real, you wouldn’t need to fabricate it.

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              From the description on Wikipedia:

              Satire is found in many artistic forms of expression, including internet memes, literature, plays, commentary, music, film and television shows, and media such as lyrics.

              Satire often utilizes fiction.

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                  I think I understand. You think it is misinformation. But it would only be misinformation if the underlying message isn’t true. This might help.

                  It depends on whether the viewer thinks this represents the hypocrisy of trans ally neoliberals who persecute and punish unhoused people for existing near them.

                  It’s like this real photo from the Black Lives Matter protests:

                  It was criticized at the time for the hypocrisy of recuperating the protests. If the photo was faked, would it be any less true?

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                    By your definition, there is no difference between deceptive fake news stories and satire. My Facebook wall in 2016 was filled with true news stories and satire and nothing else. You could post whatever lies you want so long as there’s some underlying truth in there.

                    Then when called out just say it’s satire! You can say pizza gate wasn’t meant to be taken literally. It was just satire pointing out how the elites and lawmakers are abusing our children. Q Anon and Stephen Colbert are two the greatest satirists of our time.

                    With the advancements of AI, we are going to start seeing more and more fake things that are indistinguishable from reality. If most of the people are convinced the fake thing is literally real, and even if that was the intention of the post, it will still be considered satire because the underlying message is true.

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          I mean the hypocrisy really exists, but you’re right that this particularly egregious and shocking example is likely a total fabrication.

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          Sometimes fiction and altered objects depict abstract concept better than real physical objects do and neoliberals tend not to say the quiet parts loudly like the fascist party on the other side of the aisle has increasingly been doing in recent years.

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            Do you not recognize that this is deceitful? I understand how fiction can present allegories to demonstrate real world themes. But this isn’t that. This is meant to portray reality and real life hypocrisy but is not actually real.

            If the hypocrisy is true, why the deception?

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              If the hypocrisy is true, why the deception

              Because the hypocrites do an effective job at explaining away and obfuscating their hypocrisy. This makes it clear in an way that literal reality doesn’t.

              The rich people weren’t literally eating the babies of poor people when Jonathan Swift wrote A Modest Proposal, but that doesn’t mean that his point about their callous disregard for those less fortunate was fraudulent.

              This is basically visual satire.

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                Satire is not deceitful. You’re not meant to read A Modest Proposal and think rich people are eating poor babies. You’re meant to recognize the allegory and what it says about our real world.

                This post is not satire. It is meant to deceive you into believing it is a real photo.

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                  You’re being way too rigid and literal. That’s not how it is.

                  This post is not satire. It is meant to deceive you into believing it is a real photo.

                  Says you based on faulty reasoning leading to a seemingly willful misunderstanding of the point.

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                    You can’t lie to somebody and when called out say, it’s just satire.

                    I’m not being rigid at all. You are changing the definition of satire so you don’t have to admit this post is BS.