It’s definitely an issue that’s not going away. The DNC really needs to figure it out and stop pretending that it doesn’t matter to voters.
The alternative being a ~4 years younger criminal without any morals.
How about another Dem which Biden backs and fully promotes?
It doesn’t have to be a Hobson’s choice of dinosaurs, the Dems are forcing this situation upon America. It’s not too late for someone else to step in.
Biden: #PleaseDropOut
Yes it absolutely is too late for someone else to step in. You’re voting for Biden or you’re holding the door open for Trump. The sooner you come to terms with that, that better you’ll feel about it.
Thank you. I’ve been trying to get this message across. Any vote for anyone other than Biden is a vote in favor of fascism and ushers in our first dictator which likely won’t be trump, it will be whoever takes over when he has a heart attack or something.
Feel free to vote for whoever you want in the primary, that includes writing in your pet if you feel like it. In the big show, anyone who actually likes our freedom and democracy (with its myriad of flaws) will vote Biden, everyone else will vote for dictatorship even if it doesn’t look like it in the moment.
If the DNC is so concerned about protecting democracy from fascism, then they need to instruct Biden to step down immediately and stop wasting time before tapping his replacement.
Biden’s approval rating is in the gutter. No incumbent in federal office has ever come back to win with such a disastrously low approval rating, not once in the history of USA. You’re telling me Biden is the one who will buck the norm and mount a miraculous comeback? If you really think this, then it appears Blue MAGA is real after all. Get a clue, Jack.
> Any vote for anyone other than Biden is a vote in favor of fascism
a vote for Biden is a vote for fascism, but a vote for Cornel West or Jill Stein is a vote against fascism.
West is going to need to get on the ballot in more states than just Alaska and Oregon if that’s going to happen. LOL.
In the end, it will be West at 1 to 2% of the vote and Stein at 5 to 6% of the vote, same as usual for fringe candidates.
can’t talk down passing that 5% threshold. it’s a big deal
It’s insignificant in a national election.
Wait until the convention. The DNC will pick his replacement.
You need to go to bed and let the adults talk.
Liberals in their smug arrogance love to infantilize.
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Ozma’s opinion is that of the optimistic juvenile. They’re absolutely wrong, but it’s going to take them one or more failed election cycles to learn that. It’s OK to be optimistic, the realism will creep in later.
You better HOPE they replace Biden at the convention if you really want to defeat Trump.
Seriously. Go sit in the corner and eat your paste, the adults are talking.
Nothing will happen at the Democratic convention unless Trump is removed during the Republican convention a month earlier.
Biden is the de facto head of the Democratic party. He’s not going anywhere unless he chooses to.
This is correct. If Biden “wins the primary”, then immediately steps down, it becomes a battle for delegates at the convention. Of course the invisible hand of the DNC will actually choose, but it will at least have the surface level appearance of a democratic process.
It will? The democrats already disenfranchised an entire state, but no one cares about that.
Which state would that be? The one that still held a primary and wrote him in?
Yup
Don’t so patronizing.
Biden is fundamentally incapable of defending Americans from fascism. At best he can slow it down a little.
But like? The border policy? He just moved wayyyyy over to the right on. As things stand, I don’t know if it will ever come back.
So no, I won’t feel better about it, because we’re still getting fucked in the ass.
No, I think it’s too late for someone to try and beat Biden in the primary (though I did vote for a challenger, personally). But if Biden came out and said:
Hey Jack - I’m fucking old and tired. So much like my buddy cornpop I’m going to step aside. Let me introduce yall to this Governor Newsom cat, he’ll be a strong advocate for that climate. No cap, Scranton. Sus.
Then I think it’d probably go over smoothly. Newsom used above purely as an example - there are a lot of people I’d personally prefer… also, there’s Kamala Harris - the person voted second most likely to lose an election, after her mentor of course.
“Biden performs better against Trump than Harris, Newsom: Poll”
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4470956-biden-trump-harris-newsom-poll/
So why Harris or Newsom over Biden?
Newsom was used purely as an example. I think he’s a pretty underwhelming candidate in terms of policy and also tactically a bad candidate. But yea - just grabbing a random name for demonstration.
But doesn’t the fact that you couldn’t come up with a name of a good candidate to beat Trump and had to use Newsom as an example tell you something?
Not really, I’m just aware that any name I threw out would be controversial - especially one I’d personally celebrate. I’d be over the moon if we ended up with President Katie Porter but a lot of people would just ignore the actual point of my comment. Newsom was my choice for most milquetoast democrat - he tweets outrage at police killings and endorses greenwashed bullshit while mostly just trying to appear inoffensive and deeply moderate.
i think op was staying that neither of them are ‘valid’ candidates
that’s how i took it anyway
It’s not about my feefees for “my team”. This is about seriously addressing the threat of fascism head on, and recognizing the truth that polling data is telling us - Biden isn’t going to cut it, and virtually any other Dem will do. Americans just don’t want to vote for Biden. The sooner you come to terms with that, the better chance we have of avoiding another disastrous Trump presidency.
In a five-person hypothetical 2024 general election matchup that includes independent and Green Party candidates, Biden receives 39 percent support, Trump receives 37 percent support, independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. receives 14 percent support, independent candidate Cornel West receives 3 percent support, and Green Party candidate Jill Stein receives 2 percent support.
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3889
Who do you suggest that will do better than that?
Why does it have to be these 5 specific people? I know that DC establishment is pushing hard for these to be the choices in November, but in a healthy democracy we would have an actual democratic primary where Biden could prove his candidacy is superior to the challengers. This should be done through vigorous debate, and campaigning hard on an actual platform from which to lead the nation at a time when we desperately need real leadership. Doing this has the added benefit of broadcasting Dem messaging far and wide with lots of free media coverage.
The last thing we need is another 4 years of giving corporations everything and more. Dems are so embroiled in fake Repugnantcon controversy they won’t even bother to dignify a primary race with Biden’s participation. It’s just a really bad look if you’re claiming democracy is on the line this year, and is an incredibly poor strategy to motivate voters to make it to the polls.
To answer your question, I’d vote Cenk Uygur in a heartbeat. His platform is most closely aligned with my own beliefs, and I’m 100% convinced he would end or seriously mitigate the endemic corruption in our political system within a 4 year term. We’d get paid family leave, significantly increased minimum wage, meaningful student debt relief, and mandatory federal background checks for firearm purchases, guaranteed. We’d also have a real shot at a nationalized healthcare system. These are massively popular policy positions which the majority of Americans support, on both sides of the political divide.
Why does it have to be these 5 specific people?
Because those are the five who are running and no one else has said they want to run.
Voting for someone who doesn’t want to run for president in the first place does not sound like a good plan.
cenkforamerica.com my friend, he’s running. So are Phillips and Williamson, and so too would be O’Rourke, Newsom, and other high profile dems if the DNC were holding a primary in good faith. They’re not.
Of course, you won’t ever hear about political outsiders on the left in corporate media, other than perhaps occasional opportunities to denigrate them and their ideas. This is because those are real populists who would enact meaningful change, ending the terrible and corrupt system under which the vast majority of us are suffering. The same system by which the multinational media machines make their billions in ad revenue and control the narrative in near totality.
Weird picking a genocide denier who made enough controversial statements Bernie pulled his endorsement before Cenk tried to Uno Reverse it by claiming he didn’t accept any endorsements.
Also weird picking a guy who cannot constitutionally hold the office he’s running for. Cenk is not a natural born citizen of the United States, he can no more be president than Elon Musk or Arnold Schwarzenegger.
While most Turkish people struggle to come to terms with the genocide, Cenk has long since admitted the Armenian genocide was a thing. But ok keep holding his comments from the 90s against him in perpetuity.
On the Bernie endorsement retraction during Cenk’s congressional run, yeah I’m sure that stung a bit. They’ve been allies for quite some time now. But this has always been a Bernie problem - he’s way too nice to his esteemed colleagues in DC. I think Cenk saying he didn’t accept endorsements was just to provide cover for Bernie and smooth out the debacle a bit, but he definitely did accept it when it came through initially.
Cenk is ostracized from establishment politicians in DC and in the media because he constantly challenges the status quo, and fights hard for progressive policies. He would do this 10 fold in elected office. Why do you think this is such a terrifying prospect?
So who are they going to vote for?
The couch is who Biden is fighting against.
The couch is who Biden is fighting against.
I’m sorry, what? Biden is fighting against a couch?
Meaning voters that will just stay home. You have to inspire voters to the voting booth.
Didn’t you say elsewhere in this thread that Biden will be replaced at the convention anyway?
Yes, that’s why they will replace him at the convention. What do you think is going to happen once the voters actually start paying attention and Biden HAS to hit the campaign trail? They’re going to see Biden now compared to just 3 years ago and think “holy crap what happened to him?!”
You have to admit Biden now does not have the same energy as Biden from 3 years ago. POTUS is one of the most demanding jobs in the world and it’s already taken its toll on him.
Edit: 5 months ago @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world and Biden drops out today.
Okay… if he’s going to be replaced anyway, why does this matter?
Why does what matter?
10% don’t realize Trump is only 4 years younger…
Another day another post by OP bashing Bidens age.
Do you deny Biden’s age is a factor for voters?
Not a big enough issue to go and try to replace him with like 8 months to go before the election. Who, exactly, is a better fit?
They’re going to Newsom him.
Way too old. Way too genocidal. What too owned by corporations. Way too everything except not trump. This is what US freedom feels like boys and girls. Take a long deep breath of that late stage capitalism and know if ‘things’ can’t make you happy you’re fucked… but have you tried the pop rock oreos?
If this was the most important election of our lifetimes, like they claim, they would have spent the money and resources to primary Biden with someone worthy of winning.
Running a primary against a sitting president is a fast road to losing the election.
They need to reearn their position with every election, that’s why it’s a separate term. Refusing to primary is undemocratic and prevents accountability. They are not entitled to 2 full terms unless they’ve earned them
That’s never been the way it has worked. The sitting president for either party is the candidate unless they choose otherwise. See Johnson in '68.
The last time a sitting President had a serious primary challenger, Carter in 1980, they lost in a landslide.
The reasoning is simple:
If a sitting President doesn’t have the confidence of the party, they don’t have the confidence of the voters either.
All the polling shows voters dont have confidence in him, the DNC in their arrogant hubris does have confidence because they believe they are entitled to every vote not Republican. And the disenfranchised will vote for Biden regardless of what he’s done. Liberals claimed they could hold him accountable after the election in 2020, and making him earn votes is one way of doing it
No, the polling is only asking and reporting half the question:
“Do you think Biden is too old to be President?”
Yes, anyone with half a brain should think that.
“Will you vote for him anyway?”
If the alternative is Trump? Yes.
That is a completely disingenuous reply. All of the polling lists every single question that was asked, what demographic it was asked of, and the results of those questions in the methodology used.
It largely depends on the poll, but the reporting is often faulty as well.
If your house is on fire and two elderly firefighters show up-- one with a hose and the other with a can of gas-- it’s not a hard decision who’s the man for the job.
have you had to take care of an elderly relative before?
we do
would not trust either of the two firefighters and would question if their was a fire
my grandfather is Biden’s age and yes age does mean something though it does not mean do not respect the elderly and their accomplishments and life achievements
body does age and it is not in the same condition from birth until you die and Trump and Biden are no different not to mention the two both have piss poor resumes
need to equip and train and educate younger generations to take to lead at a certain point
<.< Are you saying you’d let your house burn down instead of picking one of the two firemen?
Like, good on you for having a stance. But this seems like the “I refuse to choose” answer with a long winded explanation behind it. In which case you house burns down.
lot different on my end with bipartisan laws and policies taking my right to vote away so yes would have to let the house burn down because not allowed to use the service
I’m 43 and I’m not sure you’d want me on a fire hose either.
I’ve helped care for multiple older adults though between mine and my wives families. and there’s a lot of variability in that age group. My wife’s dad just passed away at 64, his dad passed away last year at 95 and was super fit and clear minded until cancer started to beat his ass in 2020 and his mom is 87 and and walks miles each day and is incredibly fit and active and mentally sharp.
At that age, it’s quite possible for some older adults to still be incredibly capable of some strenuous activity, but those aren’t the ones eating hamberders and diet coke every meal.
67 percent of voters said the 81-year-old president is too old to effectively serve another term
Fucking politico - that headline is awfully misleading.
Well said.
For those who don’t want to click through:
If your house is on fire and two elderly firefighters show up-- one with a hose and the other with a can of gas-- it’s not a hard decision who’s the man for the job.
In the end your house still burns down because the old fuck can’t handle the pressure of the hose, or figure out how to turn it on.
Not sure you’ve thought this out…
If someone brings you a hose while your house is on fire, you can use the hose to put the fire out yourself.
If all they bring is gasoline, you’re fucked.
Yes yes, I know, “but Genocide Joe.”
If he dies in office, and he’s unlikely to, that’s what VPs are for.
in Biden’s case it is a former prosecutor not to even mention Trump’s VP
too old
too many failed campaign promises such as minimum wage, national healthcare, police reform, worker’s rights, cannabis reform, etcetera
too loud on the wrong issues and too silent on the right issues
too Catholic to defend things like Roe vs Wade
if the vice president did have to take over due to Biden’s health going south would not want a former prosecutor running the country
but hey not allowed to vote thanks to laws and policies Democrats and Republicans both worked on
and calling people out because they do not want Trump or Biden and saying they support fascism for not voting Biden is going too far and is what is wrong in the US
football politics - my team, my color, my letter fuck your team and everyone not on my team cause they suck
what about candidates with an actual resume showing achievements or past accomplishments or what kind of education path did they take or some story explaining why they care to be president
2024
“My name is not Trump and my color is blue and my letter is D.”
versus
“My name is not Biden and my color is red and my letter is R.”
He is so old he used to sniff Betsy Ross’s hair inappropriately.
Edit: He is so old he used to hug Alice Roosevelt for too long.
He is so old he groped Martha Washington.
Do sarcasm better please.
