The studio’s golden box office aura has been dented, but chief architect Kevin Feige isn’t scrapping his years-long cinematic universe plan, just refining it: “They’re not going to give up,” says an insider.
And people seriously underestimate the simplest reason: poor execution. Phase 4 just had so many movies that weren’t good. The writing was bad, a couple characters or moments would be what you expect, but the overall product was just shoddy.
I think you could say that about almost every single Please 4 movie except Guardians 3. There was just a massive drop in quality.
Shang-Chi, Spider-Man NWH, and Doctor Strange MoM were all great and Phase 4. Unfortunately Black Widow, Eternals, and Thor L&T were also Phase 4 and are some of the lowest rated movies in the MCU.
Shang-Chi was the kind of quality I expect from MCU.
But I’ll be honest, even MoM disappointed me. It felt like they just abandoned all of the character development poured into Wanda because “heh heh cool Sam Raimi movie” and the America plot was kind of tacked on.
Black Widow, Eternals, Thor L&T, The Marvels all had the potential to be great. It’s like they just gave up on scripts and that notorious centralized quality assurance. Which I know is something a lot of people hated on them for, but I think the difference is obvious. Their centralized production over Phase 3 projects worked.
(We don’t talk about Quantumania. That one was unsalvageable.)
I hope they get back to the old way of doing things as Phase 5 progresses.
I would pay to see a fixed version of Thor 4. It just needs a few comedic scenes removed, 15 minutes here and there of God Butchering, and the deleted Zeus scene by the pond and it could be a top tier movie.
I was actually a fan of both the marvels and quantumania. But yeah the rest were bad. Thor love and thunder was perhaps the most disappointing of them all, considering how good ragnarok was.
I loved the pieces of The Marvels. But the completed movie felt rushed and really really badly edited to me. Which made it so much more disappointing because the pieces were SO good. (Kittens and dancing, singing princesses?? Omg amazing.)
I actually liked Doctor Strange MoM A LOT. To me, it was what the first Doctor Strange should have been.
As far as Wanda’s development, I didn’t get the impression that she was all good at the end of WV. It was just that she was literally forced to reconcile with her delusions. But that’s it.
In MoM, she has reconciled with her delusions. It’s just not how people were expecting her to. She convinced herself in WV that she wasn’t hurting people. Faced with reality, she decided that’s not a deal-breaker.
To be honest, I was surprised people had an issue with it. It didn’t even seem like a problem when I watched it the first time.
No, I’m happy with the direction they took her after the events of WV. I would just have liked to see that moment she decided to lean into it depicted onscreen instead of being an off screen development. That’s a huge moment to just…not show. I think it would have added a lot to the movie.
I think that’s pretty much what her cabin scene was at the end of WV. But also, she never had a problem with kidnapping the whole town for herself. Killing people for “her” children isn’t that big of a step. Especially knowing she had the Darkhold.
See, I read that scene as being equivocal because I’m not familiar with the comics, so I (still) don’t know what the darkhold is beyond “evil macguffin.” The scene opens with her so tranquil, appearing to make peace with herself and searching for her lost children. I thought they were leaving the door open that she might have a chance of accomplishing that.
So it would’ve been nice to have like 5 minutes in MoM to just show what happened between that and fully evil demon Wanda. I dunno, just felt shortchanged to me
Interesting. The Darkhold is a major plot device in one of the Agents of Shield seasons. I can’t remember what all they said about it in WV. But I already knew it was a seriously evil influence, as they elaborate on later in MoM.
It’s not really sci-fi. Traditionally sci-fi has explored very philosophical or existential concepts, it’s not just about the gadgets. The technology is a lens through which to view newly possible conflicts. If the superhero aspect is a coat of paint, the sci-fi aspect definitely is. IMO they do have some relevant aspects of the superhero genre, but yes most of them are mostly action.
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exactly same thing with star wars fatigue. just make good movies/shows and people will watch.
And people seriously underestimate the simplest reason: poor execution. Phase 4 just had so many movies that weren’t good. The writing was bad, a couple characters or moments would be what you expect, but the overall product was just shoddy.
I think you could say that about almost every single Please 4 movie except Guardians 3. There was just a massive drop in quality.
Guardians is technically Phase 5.
Shang-Chi, Spider-Man NWH, and Doctor Strange MoM were all great and Phase 4. Unfortunately Black Widow, Eternals, and Thor L&T were also Phase 4 and are some of the lowest rated movies in the MCU.
Oh right, I was mixing up Spider-Man FFH & NWH.
Shang-Chi was the kind of quality I expect from MCU.
But I’ll be honest, even MoM disappointed me. It felt like they just abandoned all of the character development poured into Wanda because “heh heh cool Sam Raimi movie” and the America plot was kind of tacked on.
Black Widow, Eternals, Thor L&T, The Marvels all had the potential to be great. It’s like they just gave up on scripts and that notorious centralized quality assurance. Which I know is something a lot of people hated on them for, but I think the difference is obvious. Their centralized production over Phase 3 projects worked.
(We don’t talk about Quantumania. That one was unsalvageable.)
I hope they get back to the old way of doing things as Phase 5 progresses.
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I would pay to see a fixed version of Thor 4. It just needs a few comedic scenes removed, 15 minutes here and there of God Butchering, and the deleted Zeus scene by the pond and it could be a top tier movie.
He’s already worked on The Mandalorian
I was actually a fan of both the marvels and quantumania. But yeah the rest were bad. Thor love and thunder was perhaps the most disappointing of them all, considering how good ragnarok was.
I loved the pieces of The Marvels. But the completed movie felt rushed and really really badly edited to me. Which made it so much more disappointing because the pieces were SO good. (Kittens and dancing, singing princesses?? Omg amazing.)
I actually liked Doctor Strange MoM A LOT. To me, it was what the first Doctor Strange should have been.
As far as Wanda’s development, I didn’t get the impression that she was all good at the end of WV. It was just that she was literally forced to reconcile with her delusions. But that’s it.
In MoM, she has reconciled with her delusions. It’s just not how people were expecting her to. She convinced herself in WV that she wasn’t hurting people. Faced with reality, she decided that’s not a deal-breaker.
To be honest, I was surprised people had an issue with it. It didn’t even seem like a problem when I watched it the first time.
No, I’m happy with the direction they took her after the events of WV. I would just have liked to see that moment she decided to lean into it depicted onscreen instead of being an off screen development. That’s a huge moment to just…not show. I think it would have added a lot to the movie.
I think that’s pretty much what her cabin scene was at the end of WV. But also, she never had a problem with kidnapping the whole town for herself. Killing people for “her” children isn’t that big of a step. Especially knowing she had the Darkhold.
See, I read that scene as being equivocal because I’m not familiar with the comics, so I (still) don’t know what the darkhold is beyond “evil macguffin.” The scene opens with her so tranquil, appearing to make peace with herself and searching for her lost children. I thought they were leaving the door open that she might have a chance of accomplishing that.
So it would’ve been nice to have like 5 minutes in MoM to just show what happened between that and fully evil demon Wanda. I dunno, just felt shortchanged to me
Interesting. The Darkhold is a major plot device in one of the Agents of Shield seasons. I can’t remember what all they said about it in WV. But I already knew it was a seriously evil influence, as they elaborate on later in MoM.
Also, not everything needs to be a tracking shot. With bullet time.
Are you complaining or promoting bullet time?
Complaining. All that stuff has its place but when it’s overused it just kind of takes me out of the moment, it doesn’t add to it.
Sorry it was just a joke, you broke the sentence in two in a way that makes “With bullet time” sound like an advertisement.
Totally agree. The phrase “superhero fatigue” has been thrown around since age of Ultron.
It was being thrown around before Iron Man came out.
A while back someone posted an article from 2007 using the phrase, talking about the “upcoming Iron Man movie”
No I’m sick of the entire genre. Ubermensch above-the-law protagonists who are inherently better than normal people are the worst.
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Except that’s not the concept of superheroes. At least not usually for Marvel. The whole “gods among men” thing is more of a DC concept to explore.
Nah, we’re sick of the genre.
You’re sick of action sci-fi? Because that’s the actual genre. “Super hero” is just an aesthetic coat of paint.
It’s not really sci-fi. Traditionally sci-fi has explored very philosophical or existential concepts, it’s not just about the gadgets. The technology is a lens through which to view newly possible conflicts. If the superhero aspect is a coat of paint, the sci-fi aspect definitely is. IMO they do have some relevant aspects of the superhero genre, but yes most of them are mostly action.