So where’s the NRA? Armed in her own home and shot by government tyrants exercising her right to protect herself with a firearm.
Who am I kidding…
Same place the NRA was when Philando Castile and Breonna Taylor were shot.
And since this woman is apparently queer, I’m guessing the NRA will have the same level of sympathy.
I always say this kind of thing when I see similar events. If you’re going to be killed by the police just for having a gun in your possession, you don’t have the right to have a gun. The right always likes to pretend like they care about gun rights and freedom, but if they did then they would want more restraints on cops, not less. It’s obviously just lies. They want cops to keep the poor in line while they do whatever the hell they want, and somehow they’ve been able to convince a bunch of other poor (though mostly white) people to vote for them.
The NRA stands for the right of white home owners to kill minorities.
She was safe®! (sorry forgot the /s)
https://youtu.be/eAz9_iApfRI?t=1m50s
I’m just going to leave a time-stamped link to the unedited video because there are a couple apologists in here that are absolutely ridiculous.
The officers identify themselves exactly once at 2:07, a car alarm starts going off at 2:18 and noticeably startles the officer wearing the cam, at 2:23 one of the officers says “someone’s coming”, and at 2:26 the syllable “Dro-” is interrupted by both officers completely unloading their magazines into the door/window.
It actually doesn’t even look like the door was open and maybe the victim was trying to peek out the window?
So how exactly should she have handled this situation to have avoided someone trying to randomly murder her in her own home?
completely unloading their magazines into the door/window.
You’re not exaggerating here. It takes about 8 seconds for the one officer to reload the weapon once the mag’s been emptied by spasmodic panic-shooting, and while we can deduct time used to talk on the radio, it didn’t stop what looked like 40-50 rounds being pumped into the general vicinity of a person.
I have cops in the family, and I get a good idea of the day-to-day grind their soul endures in my country’s best-trained and worst-paid police force, and I’ll be among hte first to review something critically. There’s nothing mitigating about this; it’s objectively horrific.
Edit: ho-oleee shit, she survived.
Pouncy, a friend of the woman who lived in the apartment, sustained a total of five gunshot wounds to the leg and torso, according to her attorney, Ben Crump, who reacted to the release of the video on Monday, calling it “evidence of the unnecessary and excessive force.”
None of Pouncy’s vital organs were struck by bullets, but the long-term effects of her injuries are yet to be determined, according to Crump. He told ABC News that Pouncy is traumatized by the incident.
I hope she can live and sue the cops so hard it’ll change their training, and these two will split between telling their story of idiocy and parking enforcement for the rest of their careers.
They shoot people for no reason and you hope they get parking duty?
How about they go to prison for their crime of attempted murder.
Hes just being real as to what’s going to happen. Of course we all want them in prison drinking prison goop through a straw.
No, he’s attempting to soften perspective.
Instead of giving up and hoping for the worst, why don’t you join me in demanding justice?
Baby steps. They actually get some punishment. The cops that shot the wrong make, model, and color car in the Dorner saga didn’t even get a slap on the wrist.
The first goal is to take guns away from murderers.
sue the cops so hard it’ll change their training
Won’t happen unless taxpayers raise hell en masse, since they foot the bills for lawsuits.
This is so insane. It actually does look like the police officers completely freaked and just started blasting and then got into a kind of panicked frenzy.
Basically the only way to be safe from police is to not have windows or have bulletproof glass or some kind demilitarized zone so you can see who is coming without coming “out of cover”. Have a video phone to talk to would be visitors.
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Holy shit.
ACAB
WHAT THE FUCK.
They didn’t even ask a fucking question, nothing. Just started shooting! What the fuck.
I honestly thought “well if they broke a glass it is an understandable misunderstanding” but nope, it isn’t.
Pretty sure there’s even an accidental discharge at 2:37 before the rest of the second mag gets dumped, as a cherry on top.
edit: might’ve been a shot back, not sure.
Okay, fair enough. To counter, officers typically have to make split second decisions that can mean life and death. They don’t want to die, just like you and me. They go to the home, it’s clear someone broke in. They announce themselves, 15 minutes later, someone comes walking to the door holding a gun. Now, how SHOULD have the cops handled the situation? Again, it’s SO easy to say “well, they should have done this…or that…” when it’s not you constantly worried about whether or not you’re going to die every time you put on your work uniform.
Now, how SHOULD have the cops handled the situation? Again, it’s SO easy to say “well, they should have done this…or that…”
Here’s the thing…I don’t have to provide the answer to this question. I am not a “trained professional” that is paid specifically to handle these kind of situations.
What I can say without a doubt is there is zero excuse for this woman being shot. If officers are not able to go through their workday without shooting an innocent person then either they shouldn’t be a cop or they shouldn’t carry a weapon. Period.
A police officer’s discomfort or cowardice does not supersede an innocent citizen’s rights.
I’ll provide an answer, then. The cops should handle it the same way the rest of us already do, which is to positively identify your target and what they’re doing before bucking off. It’s pretty easy to figure out! Even Cletus the beer-swilling deer hunter can do it. It does, however, require manning up and overcoming your paranoid little fears about every scrap of shadow being a scary oogie boogie man out to get you… Which one would hope (ha!) that a competent policeman has already been trained to do. As part of, you know, being a policeman.
If anyone can’t handle the heat, they should get the hell out of the kitchen. I hear there’s a shortage of janitors, if motherfuckers want to do some good in the world.
You know, us regular people have to do this in every situation and also have to have robotic encyclopedic knowledge of all relevant self defense and firearms laws at federal, state, county, and municipal levels at all times, plus be able to have a photographic eidetic memory to be able to recount the exact sequence of events down to the nanosecond without the slightest hint of contradiction by any outside source no matter how irrelevant, and to be able to explain to the cops, judge, and jury with airtight millimetric precision exactly why we were justified in even drawing a weapon on someone, let alone firing it, or else we’ll get prosecuted and locked up. It seems to me while private citizens are expected to always and unerringly be able to clear this incredibly high bar at the drop of a hat in any given life-threatening situation, it shouldn’t be too fucking tough for a bunch of “highly trained” policemen to be able to achieve the same performance. Right?
Pizza delivery drivers die on the job twice as often as police. Should they be able to shoot anyone they want without real repercussions?
…Actually, food service workers specifically should get one free kill a year
“Shoot anyone they want” is a exaggeration. There’s over 1 million police officers in this country, over 30,000 police departments… how many would you say are just “going out and shooting anyone they want?”
Far too many for me to have any kind of faith in the embarassing joke that is our police force.
Far too many for my comfort. The problem isn’t just that a lot of them do, it’s that when they do, they almost always get away scot-free. I can count the number of cops that I’ve seen actually get punished for murdering someone on one hand. I wish the number of innocent people they’ve gotten away with killing was so small.
Approximately 3 or 4 every day assuming none of them go for a double kill.
The average drunk driver drives thousands of miles before actually killing someone. Shall we ignore the dead children next?
I bartend. Bad neighborhood, no security. When I work, it’s just me behind the bar. Same with my coworkers. There have been plenty of times over the years when shitheads have come into the bar looking to start problems, plus the usual nonsense that happens with a room fun of drunk people. I’ve never shot anybody over it. Neither have any of my coworkers.
Well you might actually face consequences, so that’s understandable.
Look for another job if you can’t handle the stress of your current one? Don’t just unload your lethal weapon at the slightest hint of potential threat?
No other western democracy has such well armed and yet poorly trained police as those found in the USA.
Name me another “democracy” with over 300 million people, from 1000’s of different cultures and backgrounds…who’s doing it right? The point is, you all seem to make it sound like it’s so easy… there’s not another country on the planet in a similar situation as the US.
Thousands of deaths per year at the hand of police is inexcusable. “It’s too hard” is a shit response to “why can’t you do your job without routinely murdering people”.
All of western Europe can do just fine and on net they are as big and as diverse collectively as us.
That’s fair right? Compare a lot of small, independent countries to the United States…
It’s an order of magnitude more dangerous to get in your vehicle and drive somewhere than it is to be a cop. Is this how you’d defend someone who committed vehicular manslaughter due to negligence?
Some proposed changes for your consideration:
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Remove upper limit on IQ for cops for all precincts that have one.
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Cops should be trained for longer than a hairdresser.
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No more Killology seminars.
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Personal liability, including criminal liability for egregious shit like locking prisoners in cells covered with feces or burying corpses behind the HQ.
“Who’s doing it right?” Not us, my dude.
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Its impossible to distinguish a combatant from a noncombatant by the mere presence of a gun. Half of households have a gun. Even if an intruder was on scene how would you avoid murdering the home owner if you shoot first and ask questions later. You communicate and take the risk of harm to yourself in order to ensure you don’t shoot innocent people or you turn in your badge like the pussy bitch you are.
officers typically have to make split second decisions that can mean life and death
If you feel you need to UNLOAD your weapon at the slightest hint of anything amiss Then don’t become a fucking cop. That’s a choice anyone can make.
Now fuck off, you apologist piece of shit.
Why don’t you join your local police department, show everyone how it’s supposed to be done?
For clarity why do you think its hard to say wait for the door to open and say drop the gun while pointing your guns at the person. Note if they freeze like deer in your headlights in fear you may need to repeat your response and wait for compliance.
What split second? They emptied their entire clips. That’s like a 30 second decision.
Holy fuck. I don’t usually watch these videos because I am pretty squeamish, but I did for some reason, and you don’t actually see the woman get shot.
What you do see is two cops immediately empty their weapons’ entire clips the second they think they see a gun.
Cowards. The lot of them.
To be fair, they did see a gun and it was after a break in, and they loudly yelled they were the Sherrifs department, with an open window nearby.
The sheriff’s may not have made a correct choice, but if I were in their shoes shoes while standing outside the only exit after yelling I was a cop at an apartment that was just broken into and saw a person going up to the door without turning the lights on with gun in hand I would sure as heck be thinking this person is about to start shooting their way past us.
Your argument would work if they hadn’t yelled to drop the weapon and started shooting in the middle of it.
She didn’t point it at them… they weren’t in danger. People are allowed to have guns in their own home… she did nothing wrong.
Given how these types of encounters keep working out, if I feel in danger when I see a cop with a gun coming to my house do I get to shoot him and say I felt threatened? If the cops did nothing wrong why can’t I do the same because clearly we are in danger when cops come to our house.
No.
Jesus lmao. What the fuck is that shit?
DROP THE
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GUN!
It’s like a joke almost. Like the cops from Cyberpunk. The fuck.
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spends ten seconds reloading
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The number of bangs is impressive!
Sorry, I couldn’t hear you over you shooting me. Can you repeat?
Yes, but look at that plant they were shooting at. How could they reasonably be sure there weren’t any acorns growing on it?
I get this reference.
Police officer emptied his gun because an acorn fell in his car and he got scared
“Shots fired!”
Assuming those officers are following their training, we need to change officer training. That behavior is more military than police.
The military have much stricter rules of engagement and punishment for not following them.
Police behavior is more similar to that of a street gang.
The US is one of the largest countries on Earth, with all sorts of different crimes from different walks of life. Street gang or not, it’s imperative that we have strong police forces throughout the country to minimize crime. You think it’s bad now? Imagine if no one would wanted to be a cop. Imagine if every time a cop did something wrong, they were fired or imprisoned. We’d literally have no one wanting to do it. I don’t think people understand how big, and free the US is. Whenever you get something like this, strict law enforcement is not only needed, it’s required.
That’s an interesting opinion. Unfortunately, the facts don’t quite align with your feelings.
it’s imperative that we have strong police forces throughout the country to minimize crime
Why do you believe this? Police forces as they exist today aren’t even as old as the US. Sure, the US wasn’t a bastion of freedom upon its founding but that wasn’t due to a lack of police. The absolute biggest factors for controlling neighborhood level crime are increasing public education and reducing the effects of poverty.
I don’t think people understand how big, and free the US is. Whenever you get something like this, strict law enforcement is not only needed, it’s required.
And this is the weirdest take right here. Freedom and strong, strict police forces are inversely related by definition. One could even point to the origin of many police departments as opposition to freedom.
Feelings? What do you propose, that we allow the entire country to turn into areas like Oakland, Detroit, or Chicago? I mean, there has to be law and order. Are you proposing we “loosen” up on things, and just hope people will get nicer?
Yes, feelings are when you think something works in a certain way without facts to back it up. Like the opinion that strict policing reduces crime. It’s a common opinion, but not one that is consistent with the facts.
Do you think that Oakland, Chicago, and Detroit do not have police? Those cities have very harsh police departments and it’s not reducing crime. What those cities do have in common is a high poverty rate when geographically controlled and above average poverty rates for the US without even taking geography into account.
What do I want? I want to make changes that comport to the facts of the world, not people’s feelings.
No. They are proposing officers get proper training. That’s how you get a strong force, by making sure they’re competent.
What do you propose, that we allow the entire country to turn into areas like Oakland, Detroit, or Chicago?
I’m willing to bet you’ve never left the suburbs of a Southern state.
I live in California, I travel extensively for work. I’ve been to many major cities throughout the US… the inner cities are horrible. I’m thankful I live in a smaller city (not the suburbs) in California that 100% supports its police department, low crime rates, and community support for each other.
Oh yeah there’s absolutely no way a country could possibly police itself without murdering its own citizens.
tbf, if you approach soldiers in an active combat zone while carrying a gun, they are legally allowed to shoot you. The weapon marks you as a combatant.
That’s not what I was told when I was sent to a combat zone. There’s a thing called escalation of force and someone simply holding a gun isn’t automatically a target.
That’s not actually true. ROE gets much more specific than that. The US holds that members of the military always retain the right to self defense, but that means that there are times you can’t fire until someone fires on you. So a weapon doesn’t default to legally allowed to shoot. And frequently there are rules about how you escalate force to include verbal warnings given in the local language.
The US Manual for Military Commissions (2007) states: “Lawful enemy combatant” means a person who is:
A) a member of the regular forces of a State party engaged in hostilities against the United States;
B) a member of a militia, volunteer corps, or organized resistance movement belonging to a State party engaged in such hostilities, which are under responsible command, wear a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance, carry their arms openly, and abide by the law of war; or
C) a member of a regular armed force who professes allegiance to a government engaged in such hostilities, but not recognized by the United States.
I would link to a primary source, but they’re all PDFs. So, this is from the Red Cross. There are additional requirements, but openly carrying arms is a big one.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/fr/customary-ihl/v2/rule3
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I’m not disagreeing about them being a combatant. I’m disagreeing that being a combatant gives the military carte blanche authority to kill you. Like I said, the rules of engagement can be very specific about how, when, where, and with who you are legally allowed to engage. Self defense is the only universal time the US military is allowed to use lethal force. Outside of that you follow the restrictions and force escalations parameters outlined in the ROE.
Ah, I see. Thank you.
The US is not an active combat zone though.
Sure it is, you can see a fascistic occupation force right there.
Agreed. Just pointing out that this is a militaristic mindset, in disagreement with the previous commenter that wanted to say it was not.
“In an active combat zone” is doing some heavy lifting there.
Part of the point I was trying to make was about how clearly, those two cops did not see things in the same way as we do. They are very clearly behaving as if it was an active warzone, and they are facing a confirmed enemy.
I am more interested in the source of this mentality than I am simply brushing it off as a broader “cops are always whatever”.
This mentality comes from the “warrior” and “killology” training methodologies that many, if not most of, US cops follow. They basically are convinced that they are warriors in a warzone, and any suspect or perpetrator is their enemy. They treat everyone as if they had a gun and are trying to kill officers.
This CNN video gives a decent example of some of their training, and helps explain why US cops are so scared and eager to shoot at everyone and everything.
Ah. Well … that’d do it.
Soldiers in Afghanistan in the latter part weren’t even allowed to return fire unless they were fired upon and the shots were close to hitting.
The same rule is used at the DMZ in Korea, with the added bit of never actually hit a North Korean.
tbf, neither of those is an active warzone. DMZ is under an armistice, and Afghanistan was an occupation. In both cases the hot part of the war is over, and peace/pacification is the order of business.
Military would not mess up this bad!
Yes, and there was a point of nuance I missed as well. I was not attempting to disparage the modern military though, as much as point out the us-vs-them mentality and pursuit of destruction of the enemy as a high priority.
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You can punish him AND blame the training too, then change the training.
We can do more than one thing.
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Not a lot of knights in my area. Can you please explain the meaning?
This is a horrible take. A police force only works if they follow a strict set of rules, so we need those rules to be well thought out and defined. Every officer needs to be following their directives to the letter if the police is ever going to be good.
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Everyone needs training for their job. If they do not follow their training, they are probably not doing a good job.
Inspired by true events:
WTH they empty whole clips on her! WHILE asking her to drop the gun!
Not even one magazine, the pig on camera emptied the first magazine, spent longer reloading than she took to dump the mag, and then dumped A SECOND ONE
It’s somehow even worse than Acorn Cop, at least he only dumped one magazine
Too bad it was so close range too. She might have had a chance because their aim was probably just as shit as acorn cop’s considering how poorly trained they clearly are 😕
She did survive, with two hits that I’m aware of
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Her first name is Eboni and she lived with her girlfriend… I don’t think she’s the kind of person second amendment people generally care about.
They absolutely will rally around this to ‘prove’ they aren’t homophobes.
We’re already furious. That’s kind of the point.
i learned that if someone bangs on my front door and shouts “Sheriff’s office!” then I need to exit my back door, run, and hide.
Arming bureaucrats and giving them legal immunity was maybe society’s largest mistake.
When two female officers show up together nothing good is going to happen.
The same is true of male officers
Really, any officers showing up means nothing good is going to happen
Someone breaks into a house, and then walks to the window holding a gun…I mean, ya’ll make it sound SO easy being a cop and reacting to split second decisions that can mean life and death…
Being a cop isnt that dangerous compared to other jobs. I have had 3 guns pointed at me from working retail and being a delivery driver. All robberies. I was armed for 2 of them. All 3 times I managed to not get shot or not shoot anyone by making the right decisions and realizing that material things are not worth more than life. Why can’t cops be held to the same standard?
These cops could’ve retreated to cover down the stairs or to the sides of the door and attempted to make actual communication with the home owner. They are paid well and have great benefits. They know what they signed up for. We should be able to expect them to be competent in situations like these.
It’s a good thing you’re not a cop. It’s a bad thing you’re allowed to own a gun.
So they get to murder people in their own homes because their job is dangerous? I don’t give a fuck if I break every window in my house at 3am and its real scary for the poor adults with body armor and deadly weapons. I think I have a reasonable expectation of not having some jumpy scrubs empty two magazines through my front door
Fun fact: in most countries in the world breaking and entering is not a life or death situation for the cops. Cop shows in Europe are really boring. Cops show up, ask questions, figure out what happen and arrest someone (or not). How insane is that?
