Who else would try to convince others that Cheaters never succeed in profiting?

  • jet@hackertalks.com
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    9 months ago

    Anyone who doesn’t want to deal with cheaters. Like a teacher. Do you know how much paperwork is involved in punishing someone for cheating?

    So we make a parabole to discourage it

  • LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch
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    9 months ago

    The intent of the proverb isn’t that bad people don’t get good things, it’s that a person who is cheating doesn’t get value out of the activity.

    If you go through life cutting corners, you don’t actually get to learn and build a strong foundation.

    You can still be rewarded with jobs, money, and sycophants, but that’s not what really matters.

    • brygphilomena@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      This heavily relies on the premise that there is always something deeper than winning that’s valuable.

      It’s all about knowing when and where to cheat. Cheat as often as you can on meaningless stuff.

      • RGB3x3@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        Cheat as often as you can on meaningless stuff.

        My ex-wife would probably disagree.

    • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      You can still be rewarded with jobs, money, and sycophants, but that’s not what really matters.

      I respectfully disagree.

  • lolcatnip@reddthat.com
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    9 months ago

    Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.

  • lars@lemmy.sdf.org
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    9 months ago

    It strikes me as pure Christian please-slap-the-other-cheek-then-too and you-should-be-grateful-they’re-even-playing-with-you-at-all-even-if-they’re-cheating propaganda to satisfy the worldview of the powerless and disenfranchised

    • PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      I don’t think that PD (or any of its variants) is a good proxy for cheating, because cheating involves deception or rule breaking, while “defect” is just a legal move.

      A better proxy might be something like nuptial gifts in some spider species. So in some species, the male will present a female with whom he wishes to mate a nuptial gift - an insect wrapped in webbing. But the “cheat” move is when either the insect has already been sucked dry or when it’s snatched back too quickly for the female to feed.

      We can estimate the degree to which cheaters prosper by looking at how common these and similar behaviors are in their respective populations - let evolution do the calculations. Animal behavior is replete with deceptive and manipulative communication, and because so much of it is genetically determined we can be reasonably confident that we have an objective metric.

    • PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      It depends on if they had to lie or not. Eventually you will have to lie in order to cover the original lie until you it can’t keep all of the lies straight. If you cheated your way through college, then you can probably get away with it unless you go into a skilled profession like a doctor. If you’re just getting an MBA or something, then it’s not a big deal since business/ office work is not skilled anyway.

  • Who else would try to convince others that Cheaters never succeed in profiting?

    People who don’t cheat and want to dissuade others from cheating. Because the statement is incorrect. Cheaters prosper all the fucking time.