I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.

Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.

The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as “we’ll just handle it”) plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.

Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.

    • KnightontheSun@lemmy.world
      632·
      8 months ago

      Agree. Reddit was the same thing if not worse. Nuance is [apparently] dead and if you do not explain everything from the dawn of Man to cover your thought, people pick the comment apart like carrion as if you’ve never thought about anything deeply before. They might even gloss over things you did say and attempt to invalidate or discredit your post because only they hold the Truth of the Internet handed down from the Elders. It can be a bit frustrating.

      • Deceptichum@kbin.social
        2·
        8 months ago

        Did you even consider vegans don’t eat decaying flesh? You cant just hold everyone to your standards. I’m not even going to bother reading the rest of what you wrote because you’re so fundamentally wrong already that I’m confident i can stop there and not miss anything of substance.

    • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
      133·
      8 months ago

      IMO, it’s anywhere that has a voting system in place. Every forum has a hivemind, but the hivemind is especially reinforced when fake Internet points are at stake. That, and moderators yanking comments they don’t agree with.

        • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
          8·
          8 months ago

          Both the web interface and various apps still have the functionality in place (though I think the individual user can disable it). I think that since a lot of Lemmy users are reddit refugees, the mentality carried over unfortunately. That said, hiveminds and echo chambers are kind of human nature, so it’s pretty hard to escape; ultimately it’s on the individual to either fall in line or ignore it.

            • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
              1·
              8 months ago

              Ah maybe not total but separated, still though, simple math. I’m on Voyager more than my desktop so I don’t really see the web UI very often.

              • can@sh.itjust.works
                1·
                8 months ago

                simple math

                Go ahead and try to add up my my comment karma lol.

                ETA: if your app shows an aggregate this is because it wasn’t removed from the API. This is an oversight as noted on the github.

          • nutomic@lemmy.ml
            2·
            8 months ago

            Karma is removed in 0.19, curious where you still see it. Anyway its impossible to calculate correctly for remote users, because there is no guarantee that the local instance has fetched all posts from that user, and all votes on those posts.

          • can@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            8 months ago

            It was removed from the web ui but was still left in the API.

            dessalines:

            Public karma counts and karma farming are one of the things we really don’t want to replicate from reddit, there was a discussion about it for lemmy-ui, and it was decided to stop showing them because of how psychologically harmful it is.

            We should’ve removed these a long time ago from the API. As a substitute, you can show the post_count and comment_count instead of those scores.

      • SorteKanin@feddit.dk
        3·
        8 months ago

        You need some way to order stuff. How would you prefer to order content if not by votes? Isn’t votes at least a somewhat democratic way to do it? And much like democracy, it might not be great but I have no better ideas.

        • MBM@lemmings.world
          2·
          8 months ago

          Traditionally, forums just sort by time. Doesn’t scale that well for big places obviously

        • Bob@feddit.nl
          2·
          8 months ago

          And much like democracy, it might not be great but I have no better ideas.

          Just make me godking of the universe and I’ll put it all right.