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a backwoods facility completely failed to perform the activity correctly. they tortured this guy to death, either because they are morons, or they are evil. pick one. but it wasnt the methods fault.
¿Por qué no los dos?
nunca atribuyas a la malicia lo que se explica adecuadamente por la estupidez
That’s bullshit, it may be a “funny quote” but it has no correlation with reality. I fear that people think this is an actual rule of thumb applicable to the world- it isn’t.
My man, the world is vast. Vast. So both can apply in the context of the whole world. There are a lot of evil people, yes. But there are way, way, way, waaaaaay more stupid (read: below average) people.
What was that quote again? Paraphrasing: “Think of the intelligence of the average person. Half of the world is dumber than him/her.”
Yes. But it’s not a rule, like Occam’s Razor is, but that one is moronic too so don’t even get me started. Funny != True (necessarily)
This murder technique is not researched enough and is obviously going off assumptions and not the truth of the matter.
State-sanctioned murder is never ok.
Yeah, but nobody is doing anything about it until now when it’s actually the way I specifically want to die because of how painless it is.
It becomes significantly more painful if you hold your breath until you pass out before inhaling the nitrogen.
So probably don’t do that part.
It is entirely natural to want to not die. It’s pretty unfair to blame the victim (even a victim guilty of a terrible crime) for the suffering caused by a process they didn’t consent to.
Hes getting executed, of course he didn’t consent to any of this.
He’s getting killed by the state. There was no way around that. He chose to face his death in the way that caused him the most suffering.
In the past, people have done the exact opposite. People being hanged wood have someone pull down on their legs to make the process go faster so they didn’t suffer as much. This guy did the exact opposite and inflicted several minutes of agony on himself.
Probably as a last fuck you to Alabama and create controversy for them
Yeah, and it definitely worked.
Oh yeah, I watched the episode of Veritasium about the scariest thing. That said, fighting death is kinda what living things do usually. That said, holding your breath to not suffocate is kinda the dumbest shit.
Never? All the executions that happened from the Nuremberg trials were wrong then?
I’m personally not shedding a tear for Quisling, nor would I have shed one if Anders Breivik had shared his fate.
Never.
Emotionally I agree with you regarding Nuremberg, and Breivik, (and while I know that Quisling is synonymous with traitor I don’t actually know that but if history, so can’t agree or disagree).
The state should not be involved in murder.
The state should not be involved in murder.
The state exists due to its right to exercise violence and murder to impose its laws. USA exists due to the violence and killings it made to become independent, and it’s not alone in that origin story.
The US government were involved with at least 467 murders of civilians in Iraq in 2023 alone. Almost all governments with militaries are involved with murder one way or another, putting the line at convicted criminals seems like an arbitrary ethical line to me.
I’m against capital punishment myself, but that mostly due to the issues of cost and the court’s inability to make correct judgments 100% of the time.
Smith began to shake and writhe violently, in thrashing spasms and seizure-like movements, at about 7:58 p.m. The force of his movements caused the gurney to visibly move at least once. Smith’s arms pulled against the against the straps holding him to the gurney. He lifted his head off the gurney the gurney and then fell back.
Fucking barbaric.
FWIW, this is exactly what lethal injection would look like if we didn’t load the condemned up with muscle tranquilizers. Turns out, the body doesn’t take kindly to being killed.
Yes, lethal injection is just to make the spectators feel peaceful. It’s horrible for the person receiving it.
There is no need in the 21st century for any government to execute its citizens. It’s not the 1500s anymore. There’s no excuse, other than barbarism.
Well we could always OD them on morphine. But the cruelty is the point.
There are spectators.
Do they get to throw cabbage and yell at the guy while he’s being led to the stand, too?
Except for pedophiles.
So you’re advocating barbarism.
We can offer treatment to pedophiles who are not abusing children, and use imprisonment to protect children from abusers. There is still no excuse to execute anyone.
But, but, they’re eeevil! TV told me so!
Even with a gamma ray burst?
I have a feeling that they botched it if it was so violent. It’s also common for people to be given/take sleeping pills to prevent spasms.
No, that’s just what happens when you hold your breath for as long as possible
Spasms for holding your breath? Uh, no?
Give it a try while recording yourself. Don’t worry, you won’t die. Just have someone with you while doing it, for safety reasons.
https://www.scq.ubc.ca/waiting-to-inhale-why-it-hurts-to-hold-your-breath/
Beyond the burning in your lungs, the signals your body gets from your brain when your C02 levels are too high, include strong, painful, and involuntary contractions or spasms of the diaphragm and the muscles in between your ribs. At some point the spasms become so frequent and unbearable that you can no longer hold your breath.
Ok, I stand corrected.
The US is such a backward-ass country in so many ways.
There’s nothing described here that is inconsistent with “he held his breath as long as possible”.
That is the major flaw with this method of execution. The person can choose to hold their breath and be absolutely miserable for several minutes before they involuntarily breathe in the nitrogen.
Show me an untrained person that can hold their breath “for several minutes”.
I probably could if, y’know, my life depended on it.
Me. It seems to vary a lot, but I managed to get 2 and a half minutes a few months ago. Most of the time I average about a minute though.
Do I count as untrained if it’s just my fetish and hobby?
lol.
I could submit to more training so it counts.
Pretty much everyone can.
Most people stop when it starts to hurt, but it takes several minutes of holding your breath before you pass out.
Please do just like, a hair of research before saying random shit like it’s true.
Ok. This is a scenario that, while obvious, didn’t think of before. Man, that sucks.
What are the chances that the preferred method for assisted suicide in some countries is “cruel and unusual punishment”?
Should we allow the state to kill people? No.
Is this particular method the least cruel/painful? I think that’s likely.
Is this particular method the least cruel/painful? I think that’s likely.
This method can be the “least cruel”. The coverage on this story kind of sucks. Apparently they didn’t allow for a way for CO2 to escape this he felt the sensation of suffocating as it happened. Had they done that or just flooded the whole room with nitrogen then it would be the “least cruel” method of execution.
I put “least cruel” in quotes because on this issue we tend to mash cruelty in with messiness even though they have nothing to do with each other. Shotgun to the upper brain stem (or something like it ) is probably the truly least cruel method. No time for suffering, consciousness just ends.
We could also just not do capital punishment but that’s not happening so here we are.
Where is it a preferred method? I think it’s approved in one country but is it actually preferred or recommended by doctors anywhere?
Obligatory:
The False Evolution of Execution Methods
Edit: wtf……
Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall, however, characterized it on Friday as a “textbook” execution.
The textbook requires cruelty.
At least they can just suck all the nitrogen back out of him if they find that there was a miscarriage of justice later on.
For fuck’s sake. Are you telling me Americans, of all people Americans, are now too stupid to kill?
What’s with these crazy new execution methods? Just shoot the guy. It’s not like you didn’t have a hundred thousand cops trained to kill on sight.
Abolish capital punishment.
Because we’re uncomfortable with calmly and premeditatedly shooting someone. Capital punishment isn’t wildly popular here, it’s still controversial
Just gonna leave this here.
So the guy was guilty perhaps but we have to realize that what was done was a recreation of the Nazi extermination final solution. I fear this. It didn’t work as smoothly as they planned but it sort of worked. So will that mean that we will slowly accept this as normal vs banning the practice altogether?
How did his victim feel when he murdered her? If this monster suffered for a few minutes, so be it.
The number of people who have been released after decades in prison after modern forensic techniques (e.g. DNA analysis) have proven the convicted person was innocent shows why execution should never be used. Better that a guilty person spend a life in jail instead of be executed than an innocent person be executed by mistake.
This case was even better. The sentencing jury voted to give him life without parole. The state appealed that and a judge overturned the life sentence to give him a death sentence.
Why do we even have a jury?
So, are we to be his equal? A society that feels comfortable killing its fellow human beings painfully. Or do we aspire to be better. To not seek revenge but merely to minimize harm done.
And does the 8th amendment matter anymore? Does it still stand? Cruelty as we execute surely must violate it.
That’s just your emotional side talking. Who knew you were so sensitive.
