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    I really wished Rogue had just taken her gloves off and held Storm’s hand in that scene. Would have put the point across beautifully.

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      “Theres nothing to cure? Is that Right Ms. Amazing powers with no horrific disfigurement thats not a threat to anyone?” takes off glove “If I dont need a cure, then shake my hand. Go on. Do it. I’m perfect as I am, right?”

      “Uh…I…”

      “SHAKE MY GODDAMN HAND BEFORE I WRAP IT AROUND YOUR THROAT YOU STUCK UP ELITIST BITCH”

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    Fun fact - in the comics Forge made a gun that strips away mutant powers, and the government tried to use in on Rogue (which, having absorbed Ms. Marvel, was much more of a threat than her version in the Fox movies) - but Storm, ignorant to the gun’s purpose, took the bullet for her. After that, lamenting the loss of her powers became her entire personality for a while. Comics being comics eventually she got them back - but I think that she is still a bit salty about this, and it shows in that scene.

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    Yeah that line always bothered me as well. Rogue should have just pocked her. Yeah, feel how fine do you feel now

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    We don’t need medicine, prescription glasses, clothes…

    We are all perfect already.

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      No, it’s more like “we don’t need to change our skin colour or our sexuallity etc., we are perfect already.”

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        That’s definitely what they were going for. X-men had other jokes clearly indicating the comparison between the LGBTQ movement and being a mutant. The comparison doesn’t work as well for kill everything she touches lady, though lol.

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        You’re being downvoted, but that’s exactly what Storm means by what she said.

        Like when people would say they were going to “cure you of your urges” just because you were gay.

        In the other girl’s case though, if there were a way for her not to kill everyone she touches, I’m sure she’d love that.

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          On the other hand, trans people. They have a problem with how they were born, and if they want to change that it’s nobody’s business but theirs.

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            So some more reading on rogue, she is eventually “cured.” Not of her powers but of a mental block that is keeping her from controlling them.

            So as far as Trans people go, they are diagnosed with body dismorphia and the only known cure is transitioning.

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              Right, that’s what I’m getting at. Storms message of accepting who you are and how you were born sounds great and heartwarming when applied to race or orientation. It completely falls apart in a world where trans people exist. It just seems really outdated.

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                I dunno, I think storm would be supportive of the trans community. I think storm was defending her own right to be a mutant with enough people telling her she’s a freak and people saying they should all be killed.

                I bet prof x would provide some psychic help to alleviate the pain of being trapped in the wrong body and beast could provide a less invasive way to fully transition using some gene therapy from mystique cells.

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                  Well, it’s just the usual if you apply some principle indiscriminately you may fall flat in doing greater good

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    We look at mutants and see cool powers, but mutants in the Marvel universe are first and foremost a hated minority. Storm wants to fight the very idea of the cure, because if the cure exists - mutants will be forced to take it. The poster boy of the cure in that movie was was Warren Worthington III, and he got one of the relatively good mutations (yes, it’s physically visible, but it’s not one of the grotesque ones) but his father still tried to force the cure on him.

    It sucks for mutants like Rogue who really do want to get rid of their powers, but mutantkind as a whole does not have the luxury of allowing the cure to exist.

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      I liked the premise of the story, hopefully they can try it again in some capacity with a director that’s not shit.

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      Yeah, the scene immediately reminded me of the whole “we will cure you homosexuality” prospects of the (hopefully) past

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        Man I wish that could be turned off. Game features so much brutal content but heaven forbid we see a naughty word.

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            What is that supposed to even be, do they censor the word “knight” because, you know, n-word is in it (it’s not tho)?

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              Yes player names can’t have knight display correctly because it has “nig” in it. Even though there are several characters with knight in their name and items referencing knight in their descriptions. The censor is poor however, so “KNight” works if you don’t mind capitalization errors

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    To be fair, mutants are just an allegory for gay or otherwise non-heterosexual people. This scene makes a lot more sense when you factor this in.

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      Nah. It was more about disability. Prof X is in a wheelchair, Cyclops is blind, Beast or Nightcrawler disfigured, Wolverine is Canadian, etc.

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    i thought she just stole the powers of people she touched, and didn’t kill them instantly with death touch?

    in any case, she can steal the powers of mutants, which is a pretty good bonus ability to have on deck at any given time. tactically, to ensure the survival of future mutants that might get killed/cured, it would be better if, instead of getting cured, rogue just wore fucking gloves. you know, like what she does already. sort of the reason you might want mutants in the first place is cause like, sure, you get a random kid that gets born, and oh no, that kid kills everyone with super extremely toxic nuclear radiation in this super edgy comic where wolverine has to kill him, instead of just like putting the kid in a zero-waste nuclear power plant or whatever. or like a suit. you get that, but occasionally you also get somebody like forge, who can construct fucking insane technology, occasionally you get someone like prof. x, who has omega cranium dome, and can use the internet with his brain.

    oh, but then, forge’s technology is too dangerous, so we gotta cure him, and prof. x can read everyone’s mind, so we gotta cure him so he doesn’t see that i’m into freaky porn that will cause him to clutch his head and go “AUUUGHHHHH” and then faint, as is the fate of every psychic.

    basically all that I’m saying is that this kind of mirrors exactly the same way that we look at neurodivergence or disability in real life. everyone’s like, oh, we need to cure the neurodivergence with insane medication, or gene therapy, and the disabled people should be walking around on crazy robot legs! but then the robot legs were too heavy, and the anchor points that were directly mounted to your bones were super uncomfortable, and since people’s body composition changes over time, the robot legs don’t fit anymore, so you gotta buy another specialty production 50,000 dollar pair since it’s not a mass production market, and, oop, since you’re only moving around with robot legs and using 5% of your body in your thighs to work out, now you’re fucked, instead of being jacked, like you would if you used a wheelchair. and oops, look like the robot legs have shit battery life.

    and then realistically all of what people in wheelchairs wanted to be able to do was to like, use the bathroom effectively.

    i’m not making the kind of blanket statement that, say, curing someone who’s got such mental illness that they’re nigh catatonic, is bad, they might thank you for that, right? but then i’d also say, you know, be careful at trying to “cure” everything, cause oftentimes the cure is some false solution, and oftentimes people really just needed you to have like an iota of empathy and understanding for their situation, so you could work out an actual solution for them, and what they need, and want. realistically you can “cure” a lot of things by just doing something really pretty simple and basically acknowledges the fact that some kind of people fucking exists at all. oh no! i have mental illness! maybe I should just be allowed to fucking exist, though, maybe i only have mental illness because we live in a society and i am the joker. bottom text.

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    Nah, there is nothing wrong with Rogue. She just lives in a world where her evolutionary trait is frowned upon by society. If she was allowed to embrace her true self and kill indiscriminately she would be much happier. Even more so than giving up her genetic advantage.

    It might be lonely for a time but we all know she eventually runs into someone who can neutralize her power.

    Edit: looking online Rogue also gains full control over her powers in some instances.

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      Gentle reminder there’s a kid who got the power to blow himself up. Once. And he used it. Her perspective on the evolutionary trait is positive because she got a good roll of the dice while those around her got significantly less lucky. She is able to restrain her power unlike instant death touch girl, she’s able to use it multiple times unlike Bailey Hoskins, and her big struggle is she can’t go murder psycho? Again I really think her perspective is positive because she’s got significantly more control and usability out of her mutation.

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        The page doesn’t say how they figured out he had the power to do this. So- how did they figure out he had the power do to this?

        He was already at Xavier’s school before he blew himself up.

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          I believe there was either another mutant with the ability to, or they found a way to, detect mutant abilities. I saw a short video that recapped the comics so I unfortunately don’t know a lot of the details. The name of the comic is linked on the wiki though.

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        Once…well if it’s the same kid I remember reading about around the recent ‘Trial of Magneto’ then twice. He got resurrected as a zombie due to Wanda trying to resurrect the mutants that were died up on Genosha. She messed up big Zombie attack. He blew up again.

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          Couldn’t find anything that suggests he was resurrected or even made an appearance outside his specific comics but possibly! Really cruel fate for this kid though.

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            It’s the comics where horticulture appears and magik goes full demon. I definitely remember a guy who blows himself up completely as I only read genosha a couple months ago.

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      Ok but shouldn’t she just end this argument by grabbing Storm? Iirc, not only would she kill her or at least shut her up, she’d also take on her powers and get to be the weather goddess for awhile. Be nice to see what someone with her emotional damage did with that. Would it be “You get a tornado! You get a tornado! Everyone gets a tornado!” Or "I’m just gonna send the rain to the starving drought-stricken children in Africa and let the sun shine rainbows on the Pride parade, I wanna bring joy for once in my fucked-up life! "

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        Yeah, rogue is the true master of adaptation. Comic book rogue even gets to keep their powers indefinitely, if she absorbs long enough. She has the potential to become the most powerful being in the marvel universe.

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          Now I want a rogue based movie.

          Jean Gray being the big bad wasn’t very good but I think rogue could work because he’s a believable character.

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      but like she clearly doesn’t want to kill people, what you’re saying is effectively that people should be entirely determined by their genetics and have no say in the matter, which is… rather fucked up?

      it gets extra terrible when we remember that a significant chunk of humanity is born with evolutionary traits specifically evolved to help hunter-gatherer tribes, i don’t think people with ADHD and autism want to be compared to someone who kills everyone she touches…

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        She doesn’t want to kill people because society has taught her that killing is wrong. There is no societal precedent for someone with her ability. If a shark was raised to believe it was a tuna it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a shark.

        And I know for a fact that ADHD people don’t appreciate the fact they have to medicate to be valued in their society.

        Edit: but can’t you just except that I am on magnetos side, professor x?

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          She doesn’t want to kill people because society has taught her that killing is wrong.

          Yeah, something about perpetuating your own species seems like a logical reason to teach people that.

          Also, most people instinctively do not want to kill. That’s why military training has to cram the idea of “you have to kill people” down their trainees’ throats, and reportedly many still don’t pull the trigger when they see they will actually end up killing someone.

          Honestly, this makes me worry about you and what you’ve done or plan to do.

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            Lol

            We’re talking about fictional characters. Rogues mutation has the potential to spur a new species of human. Her progeny will define a whole evolutionary line. Your simple mindedness makes me worried people like you vote.

            Rogues only obligation is to preserve the traits she has been given for survival of her offspring.

            Edit: corrected terminology

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                This is a really good question. Does her power affect the fetus? Is she doomed to always have a miscarriage? Could you solve the abortion issue by figuring out when hew power activates?

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                Like I mentioned before there are instances where rogue has complete control. Also she could find a suitable mate that is powerful enough to withstand her power.

                Edit: I’m glad I could introduce someone to the driving conflict in xmen. Your welcome.

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                  Also she could find a suitable mate that is powerful enough to withstand her power.

                  Such as? And why would she have sex with that person just for that reason? Do you think she’s some sort of mating robot?

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              i… i think you need to go watch crash course’s videos on genomics and evolution, this isn’t how evolution works.

              also nice personal insult there, definitely makes people want to listen to anything you have to say

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                Dude literally questioned my morals based on my opinions about xmen. Why don’t you go scold him.

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              There’s a lot wrong with what you just said.

              1. It’s “Genus”.

              2. Homo is the genus, Sapiens is the species.

              3. Taxonomy works in retrospect. We don’t classify new species nor branches until they already exist. We can’t simply predict.

              4. A species is defined as a group that can interbreed and produce viable, fertile offspring. Mules for instance aren’t a distinct species because they are largely infertile. This is why we classify in retrospect.

              4.5. As a result it’s impossible to know if Rogue would even constitute a new species. She would need to be capable of having children who can have children with each other. And I don’t even want to get into how fucked up the implications of that are. It also means that if Rogue or her children could have viable offspring with ordinary humans, they cannot be different species.

              1. Even if she was a whole new species, Rogue would probably not be an entirely separate Genus either. She would likely be Homo still. The split for her species wouldn’t go that high up in taxonomy.

              2. An organism is not only obligated to preserve its specific traits. It’s obligated to preserve as many traits similar to its own as possible. This is why you’ll see family groups in nature work together. Uncles and aunts will nurture their nieces and nephews because a substantial portion of their own genetics lives on in their siblings’ progeny. They can still pass on some of their traits in that way.

              6.5. This is why some people think gay people exist, from an evolutionary perspective. A tribe with 12 adults and 5 children is able to better provide for their collective kids than a tribe of 12 adults and 6 children. Some of the gay people’s DNA is still in their nieces and nephews.

              1. Sometimes you don’t need to even share genetics with someone else. Completely unrelated cat moms will raise their litters together, because it raises their chance of survival overall.

              This is all basic college biology. You should be able to find it fairly easily.

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                I would argue Rogue would does not benefit from society and remaining lowers her chance of survival because ordinary humans want to kill mutants. See magnetos origin story. Without Professor X’s intervention Rogue would have been killed or she would would have embraced her powers and fought for survival.

                As for if she would be a new species, you don’t have to purposedully inbreed anyone. It would just be a natural part of population growth. It eventually becomes inevitable.

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                  That’s the definition of a new species however. Until Rogue’s progeny can no longer have viable offspring with anyone except themselves, they aren’t a separate species, let alone genus. This is why dog breeds aren’t different species. They may be different, but they can still have children together that can go on to have other children.