EDIT : It seems as no one understood what i was talking about and maybe its my fault for not elaborating . I always thought chicken was a metaphor for this paradox and not really meaning chicken as a specific spiece . So my question is how did the ancestor of chicken came to be if it was born (egg) wouldn’t it need a parent or if it was a parent (chicken ) woudn’t it need to be born ? Or did all the creatures start out as bacteria and climbed out from ocean through evalution if so why isn’t any new species being born this way or am i missing something ?

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    The answer is egg, because egg-laying creatures predate the chicken.

    If we count it as a chicken egg only, then it depends on if you describe a chicken egg as “an egg laid by a chicken” or “an egg that could hatch into a chicken”.

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      If we count it as a chicken egg only, then it depends on if you describe a chicken egg as “an egg laid by a chicken” or “an egg that could hatch into a chicken”.

      I think we watched the same youtube video on the topic!

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            I mean, I assume the youtube video? I don’t know, I didn’t watch one that talked about chicken eggs. You’d need to say which youtube video you mean. My explanation came from me.

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      Um no.

      The foetus is first formed in the uterus and then the hen lays down the calcium layer around it.

      So it depends on whether you consider a foetus a chicken or not.

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        I think you mean the embryo; it takes some time after being laid for the zygote inside the egg to develop to the point it could be considered a fetus.

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    the egg that hatched the first chicken, obviously, laid by something that was not quite what we’d consider a chicken.

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    The concept of “eggs” is way, way older then chickens. Fish lay eggs. So in this case, it’s definitly the egg that came first.

    You can dig deeper, but eventually you end up on the what is a “chicken egg” and a “chicken” … which means you have to deal with taxonomy. And well, it’s just made up… so that doesn’t really lead anywhere.

    So I say it’s the egg. final answer.

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      This is the only answer. Dinosaurs laid eggs long before they evolved into chickens.

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    I’m genuinely curious OP how you could even consider the chicken coming first? How did you imagine that scenario going down?

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    I can’t really remember the study or whatever, but the answer is egg. You’d need the mutation in DNA in the laid egg before you could get the chicken. And then propagation after until chickens are everywhere of course.

    This is a simplified version of what I read, but that’s basically it.

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      Unless you define “chicken egg” as an egg laid by a chicken. It’s question of definitions

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        But the question doesn’t specify a “chicken egg”. It simply says “egg”. So the answer is egg, laid by some chicken ancestor.

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    To answer your other question, yes there are still single-cell organisms evolving into new species all the time, in the ocean and elsewhere. That includes new multi-cellular species evolving from single cells all the time. But it takes a long time to develop from cell, to clump of slime, to something with legs. So you might not notice the changes if you aren’t super patient.

    Or were those separate questions? Are you asking if chickens descended from single-cell organisms? Yes they did. With a lot of steps in between.

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    to answer your edit, yes all creatures started out as single celled-organisms many billions of years ago and gradually evolved. this process is still happening today but takes millions of years, not something you would observe in a human lifetime